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Game 75: Tigers at Padres

PREGAME: The Tigers rap up their road portion of interleague today in San Diego. The pitching match-up will be Justin Verlander and Randy Wolf.

Miguel Cabrera is Hungry Like A Wolf (I know, it’s awful) with 22 career plate appearances, 10 hits, 2 homers, and 3 walks against Randy. Lefties have been hitting Wolf to the rune of a 997 OPS this year so I’d like to see Granderson stay in the lineup. Wolf has been much tougher at Petco with a 2.45 ERA there and a 5.84 everywhere else.

DET @ SDP, Sunday, June 22, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

Game Time 4:05

POSTGAME: I like the winning. Justin Verlander had the live fastball thing working with 10 K’s. However he also had 5 walks, 2 of them intentional. That makes for a lot of pitches and he was at 115 when he was lifted with one out in the 6th.

White Sox are down 6 in the 9th as I write this. Assuming the Cubs can hang on, the Tigers are only 5 games back with 87 games left on the schedule. That so seems doable.

Posted by on June 22, 2008.

Categories: 2008 Season, Game Post

238 Responses

  1. not only did Renteria not want to bunt last night his opening at bat today he didn’t want to get a hit … ball way out of the strikezone …too hot to run the bases

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:08 pm

  2. That was a bad pitch by Verlander on the Gonzalez home run. He threw back-to-back ugly breaking balls and then came with a predictable fast ball right down the middle.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:18 pm

  3. I hope that wasn’t the intended location.

    by West Coast Tiger on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:20 pm

  4. was that a 3-0 count or did I miss something

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:27 pm

  5. Critical AB for Grandy and he couldn’t deliver…

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:32 pm

  6. JV looks shaky here. Trouble locating his fastball and hurts himself throwing the ball away…

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:34 pm

  7. Is there a sub 250 hitter that Rod doesn’t say is a good fastball hitter?

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:37 pm

  8. sometimes it is the simle things that befuddle the Tigers..first a favorable count at 2-0…even a fly ball…even a ground ball they aren’t going to double you up…or even stretching the imagination a hit Granderson

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:39 pm

  9. Well maybe not so shaky. Way to KO the side!

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:43 pm

  10. 5 K’s thru 2 innings for Verlander. 44 pitches too.

    Time to hit the run support button on my keyboard.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:43 pm

  11. I’d like to see a showdown between Wolf and Fossum for who can throw the softest.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:47 pm

  12. Rayburn nice swing

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:50 pm

  13. you battle a guy for 9 pitches then swing at a pitch that almost takes your head off..for a K …Rayburn

    …nice job Carlos as I was typing this

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:52 pm

  14. Maggs 3 for 23…Sheff numbers

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  15. Verlander gets another k on a 98 mph fastball. That’s number 6.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:02 pm

  16. Verlander was squeezed on the fifth pitch to Gonzalez. And look at the first pitch strike call against Miggy in the top of the inning. We’ve seen some very poor balls and strike calls this trip.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:02 pm

  17. The Padres uniforms today rival those of 1984 for hilarity

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:03 pm

  18. Verlander’s fastball looks real good right now.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:03 pm

  19. And ANOTHER k on a 97 mph fastball

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:04 pm

  20. that K was in a serious location with speed…great pitch

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:05 pm

  21. They can’t catch up to him! Bats are flying everywhere.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:05 pm

  22. Paint those corners. That is so sweet to see.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  23. And number 8! 1-1 in the third.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  24. K-lander

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  25. ATTA boy JV

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  26. So there have been exactly 2 balls hit into the field of play against Verlander.

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:06 pm

  27. Amazingly, Gameday is claiming the FSN gun to be slow by about 2 mph. They have V hitting 99 on every other pitch

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:08 pm

  28. As nice as the K’s are for Verlander, a couple first pitch infield pop out s would be helpful.

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:08 pm

  29. Thames is trying to prove he can hit more than jimmy jacks.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:08 pm

  30. He’s obviously bored with the the whole “home run” thing. He’ll try to hit for average for a while.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:09 pm

  31. This is a sight to see. Too bad JV’s pitch count is so high, otherwise he would be on pace for 24 Ks! I would at least like to see him reach 15.

    by Ken from Cincinnati on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:10 pm

  32. Pitch count is problematic for JV. Who can we rely on out of the pen toay?

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:10 pm

  33. JV needs one quick inning for sure, billfer. I agree.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:10 pm

  34. Wolf throws these eephus-like curves constantly. Marcus hammers one for a single.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:11 pm

  35. I will have to say. Leyland’s every other day for the catcher idea seems to be working so far. Pudge looks alot better at the plate.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  36. Pudge walks is that counted as a hit for him!!!!

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  37. BUNT BUNT BUNT

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:12 pm

  38. I still would have rather seen a bunt…poor baseball…lefty lefty for Granderson…

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:13 pm

  39. Thames should be at 3rd base, that was a mental error.

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:14 pm

  40. You wanted Granderson to bunt to set up Verlander?

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:14 pm

  41. And a hit and run call by JL with the pitcher at the plate is just stupid. WTF!?

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:15 pm

  42. now we play STUPID BASEBALL fire LEYLAND…STUPID STUPID STUPID

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:15 pm

  43. Why would Grandy bunt? This is a NL game. Pitcher has to hit.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:15 pm

  44. Wolf is clearly intimidated by the hitting prowess of Verlander

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:15 pm

  45. Marcus should have been able to tag and advance on the Grandy fly ball. Definitely not the place for the bunt.

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  46. why not bunt …or did you like the next play better!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  47. runner on third one out anything could have happened….and it did

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:18 pm

  48. I was questioning the desire for Granderson to bunt with Verlander on deck — which in my opinion is an obviosly poor decision.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

  49. Brian P

    That is what I was questioning. Not a Verlander bunt attempt.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:20 pm

  50. I’m requesting a Tigers extra base hit now.

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:24 pm

  51. K 9! 12 pitch inning this time. Still 1-1 score.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:24 pm

  52. I would rather see the Tigers with the mindset that at least once every month or so a bunt is in order with a bunter at the plate runners on 1 and 2 or winning run potential late in games…JL just never does

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:26 pm

  53. Leyland sure likes that double-steal play with sloooooow runners on the bases. Some year he might get lucky and it will work.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:27 pm

  54. Alright leadoff man on. Can we please get him in.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:27 pm

  55. maybe I answered my own questioning …JL never does

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:27 pm

  56. The fastballs to Carlos were in the other batter’s box, not over the plate. Ugh.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:29 pm

  57. Maggs please.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:30 pm

  58. Thanks for answering my begging Maggs. :)

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  59. That will suffice.

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  60. What back spasms?

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  61. Edgar out slowed them to second they thought he was holding while he was running

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  62. MAGGLIO!!!

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  63. Maggs homers on one of those ridiculous slow curves!!! 3-1 Tigers

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  64. Maggs Maggs Maggs Maggs

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:31 pm

  65. Brian good beg

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:32 pm

  66. btw, Michael Barrett remains one of the worst defensive catchers I have ever seen in my life

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:35 pm

  67. A fan is wearing a 1984 Rod Allen jersey. I want one!

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:36 pm

  68. I would love it if the Tigers stopped walking pitchers.

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:39 pm

  69. A K would be nice right now.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:39 pm

  70. Why did Leyland intentionally walk the go-ahead run?

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:47 pm

  71. Because it was Adrian Gonzalez, pretty much the scariest hitter in the NL right now.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:48 pm

  72. Nice job JV.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:48 pm

  73. nice work JV

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:49 pm

  74. Verlander gives up one run, but works out of a hell of a jam in what was probably his last inning. 3-2 Tigers

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:49 pm

  75. Your right on Dave. He has been the best hitter in the NL lately. Besides Larry Jones.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:50 pm

  76. Who comes out of the pen to finish this game? RODNEY. Ha Ha. I’m sure Zoom will pitch later.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:51 pm

  77. I guess Verlander gets one more inning. I agree with that. I’ll come out and say that right now. No second guessing billfer.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:53 pm

  78. Grandy smokes 2 balls and nothing to show for it.

    I’m sorry, you have to pinch hit Verlander here. He’s got very little left and a runner in scoring positioin

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 5:58 pm

  79. Leyland is an idiot.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:00 pm

  80. This is madness on so many levels

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:02 pm

  81. I have a feeling this is going to be one of those games where Verlander does pretty good, but Leyland leaves him in 3 batters too long

    by billfer on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:02 pm

  82. Inge would have made that throw :)

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm

  83. Double play right here.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm

  84. Slim chance of scoring a run there with a pinch hitter. 1 in 4 chance the way Wolf is pitching.
    They are saving Polonco for something better.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:03 pm

  85. Wow. If that pickoff throw doesn’t hit Green, he’s standing on second base.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:04 pm

  86. Damn. I tried to call it.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:05 pm

  87. I’ll take 1 chance in 4 over none at all. That’s two scoring opportunities squandered by the genius/

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:07 pm

  88. Bilfer’s right!

    by mcb on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:08 pm

  89. Oh my, I’m absolutely shocked that didn’t work out, Jim

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:08 pm

  90. And guess what – Verlander doesn’t get through the inning anyway.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  91. great job …I just hope we don’t piss this one away 50-50 chance only cause we are ahead

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:09 pm

  92. To bad Verlander couldn’t have an easy inning here. With exception of the walks a good job by Verlander.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:10 pm

  93. I don’t care. Two cheap hits. I know they are still hits, but it’s not like they were smoked.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:11 pm

  94. Tony the Tiger comes through for us.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:13 pm

  95. Didn’t someone say last night that Seay’s numbers are better against righties?

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:14 pm

  96. Bobby needs to join the strike-throwing bullpen sessions with Rodney.

    Phew. Game-saving defense by Cabrera.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:15 pm

  97. nice job miggy

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:15 pm

  98. Gil……….!!!!

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:16 pm

  99. Seay just improved his numbers against lefties!

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:17 pm

  100. a seay K and nice catch by Cabrera end the inning. 3-2 Tigers.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:17 pm

  101. Wow. Watch a catch. I hope his eyes were open for that one. I believe Miggy is getting alot better over there. That catch, and earlier getting off the bag to save an error on Guillen.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:17 pm

  102. Perfect managing there. The result really couldn’t have worked out any better.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:18 pm

  103. Cla Meredith has a neat sidearm delivery

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:19 pm

  104. Zumaya sighting

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:22 pm

  105. Maggs is in fuego!!!!

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:23 pm

  106. MAGGLIO with another clutch hit.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  107. Maggs………

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:24 pm

  108. Maggs doubles and Guillen runs from first to home. Fortunately, a bad throw got by Barrett, because Guillen would have otherwise been out easily. 4-2 Tigers

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:25 pm

  109. That is a huge run.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:26 pm

  110. Does anybody else believe that Raburn could use a little trip down to Toledo? In the 40 games he’s played in, only twice has he had more than 1 hit. Get some confidence back in the guy.

    by Jonathon on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:27 pm

  111. well here we go hopefully… the start of something long and good

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm

  112. Zumaya in, Inge takes over at 3rd, Guillen at 1st

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm

  113. It would of taken a perfect throw to get Guillen, and it was almost perfect otherwise Guillen would of scored easily.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:30 pm

  114. Part of Raburn’s troubles might be that he has had less than 80PA. Most of his games have been as a defensive replacement/pinch hiiter/pinch runner.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:32 pm

  115. Would “have” taken… would “have” scored easily, my dear friend!

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  116. I wonder if it is required that we walk the first guy on every time we go to the bullpen to start an inning

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:33 pm

  117. that’s what i’m talking about Vince, he needs some more pt but where at, I don’t have the answer.

    by Jonathon on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:35 pm

  118. Nice catch Grandy. Thank God.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:35 pm

  119. Zumaya gets an out, saints be praised!

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:36 pm

  120. Howe many CF make that look that easy

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:36 pm

  121. Lemme guess – Fossum and Rodney are warming up in the bullpen.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  122. How many CF make that look that easy

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  123. judpma

    Not too many.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:37 pm

  124. Zumaya please get this drowned rat out.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:39 pm

  125. Another out at home. Holy Crap!!

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:40 pm

  126. Zoom made that inning look easy. Way to hold the lead.

    Well, that’s what I learned in my business communications class. Writing in a negative tone was prohibited in the class. For some reason I haven’t been able to change my positive tone since.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm

  127. wow

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm

  128. Thames with an outfield assist saves the inning from getting out of hand. 4-3 Tigers

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm

  129. Thames doesn’t move that fast, but he sure does get good results. He pulled off the old rope a dope play.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm

  130. thank you for fundemental baseball…get the ball quickly. hit your cut off …nice one bounce throw good tag,,,,helpfull call…OUT

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:43 pm

  131. 2 for 2 even though he was safe. TOO BAD.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  132. Oh wow. Just… wow.

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  133. Pudge hit a home run? What?

    by Adam on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:45 pm

  134. Pudge is the man!!

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  135. HR by Pudge… off Heat freakin’ Bell, of all crazy things! 5-3 Tigers

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  136. The worlds gonna end. Two walks and a homer for Pudge!

    by K-man on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  137. Pudge…is this still spring training!!!

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:46 pm

  138. Chief Monday

    The positive tone post was pretty funny. I was cracking up when I read it.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:47 pm

  139. Jonathan, the fact that Raburn is so versatile in the field works against him as well. He’ll get a rare start here and there, but mostly because of his status as a replacement specialist, he probably won’t ever get to string too many ABs together.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:47 pm

  140. Way to go Pudge. Go Cubs.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:48 pm

  141. Grandy is hitting really well right now. He had 2 hard outs, and now this hit. Very encouraging.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:48 pm

  142. Chief:

    Exactly. The bottom of the 7th was managed perfectly by Leyland – couldn’t have turned out better. Give credit where credit is due, I say.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:51 pm

  143. Brandon is in full K mode now…he isn’t coming close to two strike contact

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:52 pm

  144. lets have 3 shots down to INGE so he doesn’t forget how to make those great plays at 3rd…we don’t need his stinking hittin…just make those plays

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:54 pm

  145. This every other game thing really seems to agree with Pudge. Of course it doesn’t seem to agree too much with Inge and means we have to witness him flailing away every other day.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:55 pm

  146. Brian in T- it’s no joke though.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:55 pm

  147. HBP to start the 8th for Miner. It will be a miarcle if we survive these last two innings.

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:58 pm

  148. too save time lets just have the other team just put there leadoff hitter on…these games are taking too long

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:59 pm

  149. Is this the game where Miner’s luck runs out?

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 6:59 pm

  150. What a DP. :)

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:00 pm

  151. BRANDON you the man at 3rd

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:01 pm

  152. And there’s one miracle!

    Nice play by Brandon…

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:01 pm

  153. Somebody said a bad word.

    by K-man on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:03 pm

  154. I’ll take that inning home in a doggy bag please.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:04 pm

  155. Miner apparently has a guardian angel watching over him.

    Why did Black get tossed?

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:04 pm

  156. The Ump said “let me do my f’n job”, then Black said “you can’t do you’re f’n job, you’re blind.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:14 pm

  157. He got tossed cuz he hurt the umpire’s feelings. No room for cold pricklies on his diamond. Only warm fuzzies will be tolerated.

    Coming up in the bottom of the 9th. Jonesy! I hope everyone is tall enough to ride….

    by Ken from Cincinnati on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:15 pm

  158. Down goes Jones.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:15 pm

  159. Hopefully Jones can get another save with a 1-2-3-4-5 inning.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:16 pm

  160. Vince – Black was arguing the fair ball call on Barrett’s DP ball. Barrett never left the box, pretending that the ball hit his foot and was foul. Meanwhile, the play carried on with Brandon making a great play on the grounder just barely clipping the lead runner.

    Black got up in he umps face and stayed there too long.

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:16 pm

  161. oh crap, hope Jones is OK.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:16 pm

  162. We got a problem with the rollercoaster.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:18 pm

  163. Sweeeeeeeeeet!

    by K-man on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:18 pm

  164. Jones just earned alot of respect from me. I can’t believe he stays in the game and gets a DP ball next pitch.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:18 pm

  165. Jones is up. Jones is up.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  166. Jones pitches better when he is in pain. That’s why he usually loads up the bases before closing the door. Done deal..

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  167. He should get hit in the knee more often.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:19 pm

  168. San Diego was 0-36 after trailing in the 9th ..
    Tigers are 32-0 after leading in the ninth…tell you about that 9th inning

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  169. Nice 6 game road trip. Go Cubs. Indians already lost, to bad the twinkies won.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  170. Get that knee iced Jonsey! Nice job.

    by Kathy on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  171. Go Cubbies!

    by Brian P on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  172. way to just roll and not much of a coaster!!!!!!!!

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  173. That one felt like a steal. We’ll take it, thank you very much!

    by Tbone on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:20 pm

  174. Jones went down, got up and won on a K.O.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  175. commmmme onn Cubs do your thing…Championship of Chicago on the line

    by judpma on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  176. Nice win! Let’s make a trade for Gerut, he’s literally trying to kill us.

    by K-man on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:22 pm

  177. Best job of umpiring I’ve seen in a long time.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm

  178. Another series win. That makes four in a row I believe

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:24 pm

  179. Just when everyone is ready to send the old horses like Pudge and Jones to the glue factory, they show us something more. Go Tigers!

    by cib on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:25 pm

  180. Great road trip. We took 4 of 6 and had a great chance to win them all. They are playing an exciting brand of baseball and it doesn’t look like it is going to stop anytime soon.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:25 pm

  181. Go Cubs go! Go Cubs go! Hey Chicago, what you say — “the Cubs are gonna win today.”

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:26 pm

  182. I’m glad Verlander got that win. He deserved it. Next up – the hated Cardinals.

    by Brian in Tampa on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:27 pm

  183. The Tigs got a lot of help from the Padres today, but a win is a win. Earlier in the year the breaks weren’t going there way, but that seems to have changed now. I’m still not convinced they will ever live up to all the pre-season hype, but at least they are still in the running for the division, which is probably the only way they make the playoffs, since it looks like the wild card team most likely won’t come from the Central.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:30 pm

  184. cib, I’ll be happy to wait til the end of the season to send Jones and Pudge to the glue factory. Since we don’t seem to be missing Sheffield too much, he can probably go right now though.

    by Vince in MN on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:34 pm

  185. The last time I seen someone get hit in the knee that hard was Nancy Kerrigan; and she cried like a baby.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:49 pm

  186. It says something that the thought of losing Jones for any amount of time actually really, really scares me.

    by Kyle J on Jun 22, 2008 at 7:52 pm

  187. Cubs 2 zip. Nice.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 22, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  188. Didn’t get to see the game, but I think this says it all:

    further upthread: “Game-saving defense by Cabrera.”

    Carolyn and I are well pleased.

    by tiff on Jun 22, 2008 at 9:32 pm

  189. Cubs beatin’ the Sox like they stole somethin’

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 9:44 pm

  190. 5-0 Cubs.

    By the time we play the twinkies in two weeks, we’ll be chasing them instead of the chisox.

    by vtfanmv5 on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:00 pm

  191. can the cubs play the wrong sox 8 more times next week?

    by tiff on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:04 pm

  192. Did you know the Cubs haven’t won a World Series since 1908? Miller and Morgan don’t think we do.

    by Dave BW on Jun 22, 2008 at 10:09 pm

  193. Told you we wouldn’t lose another game in this series! I’ll take 4 out of every 6 any time I can get ‘em. I like our odds coming up in this series against the Cards.

    by Mike R on Jun 22, 2008 at 11:07 pm

  194. Mike R with the I told you so. He hasn’t been wrong yet.

    by ron on Jun 22, 2008 at 11:19 pm

  195. Ron: I’ve got to get the I Told You So’s in there before I start regressing to the mean which is firmly set at “never gets any predictions right.”

    by Mike R on Jun 22, 2008 at 11:30 pm

  196. Hey we’ve made up 9 games in the last few weeks… not too shabby, Tigres!

    by Steve in OH on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:56 am

  197. Nice updates, Dave BW. You’re reinstated.

    And now for something completely different…

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 1:25 am

  198. TIGERS RELIEVERS ENTERING GAME WITH RUNNER(S) ON (through 74 games)

    For purposes of this discussion, consider pitchers to be responsible for any run that scores on their watch. Also, HITS/BB may include the odd HBP and ROE.

    (PITCHER – ERA* – IP – HITS/BB – RUNS)

    Rapada – 0.00 – 2.1 – 4 – 0
    Dolsi – 8.11 – 3.1 – 7 – 3
    Jones – 10.84 – 1.2 – 2 – 2
    Lopez – 13.51 – 7.1 – 9 – 11
    Seay – 17.06 – 6.1 – 14 – 12
    Grilli – 18.00 – 1 – 2 – 2
    Miner – 18.42 – 7.1 – 16 – 15
    Bautista – 20.30 – 1.1 – 3 – 3
    Beltran – 27.11 – 1.2 – 7 – 5
    Zumaya – 27.27 – .2 – 2 – 2
    Cruceta – 47.37 – 1.1 – 5 – 7
    Fossum – 95.45 – .2 – 7 – 7
    Rodney – 109.09 – .1 – 4 – 4

    TEAM – 18.42 ERA* – 35.2 IP – 83 H/BB – 73 R

    20% of runs allowed have been let in during 4 games worth of work. It’s taken Fossum just .2 IP to let in 2% of 2008 runs in these appearances alone.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 1:47 am

  199. so someone give Rapada a call and see if he is ready yet…

    by judpma on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:34 am

  200. Sean can you do a list like that when the relief pitcher enters at the start of an inning….JL doesn’t match up much if at all L/l or R/R ..he basically expects a pitcher to complete an inning he starts ,although he has been matching up a little more lately…..

    by judpma on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:38 am

  201. judpma

    I know even without doing the list you suggest that the Tigers bullpen is better coming in at the start of an inning, although it should be pointed out that in my list above, a good many of those runners that scored were on base due to the previous reliever, not a starter.

    These lists are hard work. I suggest you compile the one you’d like to see. Go to baseball-reference.com, click on Detroit in the standings, click on schedule, when the schedule comes up, click on box for each game and then scroll down to the play by play account and skim through it for relievers coming into the game at the start of an inning. For each such occurrence/pitcher, record the number of outs, baserunners allowed, and runs allowed while that pitcher is pitching. Tote it all up for each pitcher when you’ve accumulated all the game by game data. If you discover an easier way, let me know.

    I was more interested in bullpen performance coming in with men on, because I consider it the most critical test of what a bullpen is made of. I won’t say what it appears the Detroit bullpen is made of.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 9:35 am

  202. “The Tigers are 11-1 this season when Thames homers, and 50-19 since 2004″

    Hmmm. I think I like it.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 9:45 am

  203. On the other hand, Thames has gotta come in for some heat on the Tigers 14-22 record in games he’s in where he doesn’t hit a home run. This reveals that Mr. Nice Guy isn’t such a team player after all, saving all the HRs for wins when they’re going to get a lot of attention. Trade this cancer, I say.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 9:51 am

  204. Hey we’ve made up 9 games in the last few weeks… not too shabby, Tigres!

    I think that’s 7 games they’ve made up. I think they were 12 out when the hot streak started. I don’t think they were ever 14 out. :)

    by Mith on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:13 am

  205. Sean: Your theories intrigue me and I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:33 am

  206. If you want to measure the Tigers bullpen w/runners on base vs. starting an inning, it would be helpful to know how they compare against the rest of the league, though. It seems to me that most relievers would have more trouble in those situations than coming in with no one on base. I dunno.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:36 am

  207. It would be useful to know the league norm, Chris. As awful as my numbers look, I’m sure there are bullpens doing worse. But I don’t need a league norm to have an intuitive sense that 83 hits/baserunners and 73 runs allowed in 35.2 IP really, really blows. Also, it’s discouraging to see that only one pitcher – ONE – stands out as good. You’d think a bad team total would involve some real blowups by a few guys skewing things to look worse than they are.

    We’re currently in the process of retooling the whole newsletter operation. Demand is at an all-time high, so writing out 3 copies per month in longhand won’t do any more. I’m considering using the copy machine at work now (don’t tell) and charging a subscription fee. We apologize for the delay, and thank you for your continued support.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 10:52 am

  208. Well yes, those numbers do look pretty dreary. On the other hand, looking at a composite of the season I don’t think the bullpen has cost an inordinate amount of the 39 losses. Also off of the top of my head I can think of a handful of games where they pitched 5+ scoreless innings out of the ‘pen. I’m not going to argue that it’s the greatest relief corps in the league or anything, but they’ve got some guys out there who can get the job done. And I’m willing to give Rodney and Zumaya a bit of slack for a week or two until they get accustomed to facing big leaguers again.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:01 am

  209. I think the Tigers pen is usually a lot better when the Tigers have the lead. They have a 2.88 ERA in sv situations. In non sv situations they have a 5.13 ERA.

    by Chief Monday on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:10 am

  210. “I don’t think the bullpen has cost an inordinate amount of the 39 losses.”

    I agree, and of course Rodney and Zumaya are just getting started. I wasn’t out to prove a point with my investigation; I was just curious. But the point I didn’t set out to prove seems to be that with the hitting having become consistent and timely, starting pitching having become close to otherworldly, and defense having tightened up some, the bullpen may start causing an inordinate amount of losses until at least 2 guys step forward as highly trustworthy in cleaning up messes and putting out fires. This is what relief pitchers are supposed to do, what they’re supposed to thrive on.

    If I was a relief pitcher, I think I’d be bored if there weren’t runners on and less than 2 outs when I came in. My real name is Todd Jones.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:17 am

  211. As we all know numbers show us what we want to see in a lot of cases..as deceiving as Jones numbers are I believe he is 15 for 15 in save attempts…so would it matter if his ERA or all runs allowed were 8.50 to us…other than our heart stoppages that is…..we just need the save out of him

    by judpma on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:43 pm

  212. Mith: I think he means 12 games under .500 to 3 games under.

    In that sense, we’ve made up 9 games.

    by Adam on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:45 pm

  213. “In that sense, we’ve made up 9 games.”

    Yeah, that’s the more important sense to me. I’m looking at .500 with longing, not much concerned with what the Twins or Sox are doing.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 1:00 pm

  214. Relievers like Jones need the adrenaline rush–these other guys are living in fear of getting hit, so they throw balls until they really get in trouble.

    I loved Maddux’s last inning the other night-4 pitches and 3 outs and that was with Pudge taking a strike!

    by jim-mt on Jun 23, 2008 at 1:05 pm

  215. Gil’s BA is below the Cabrera Line again. It was bound to happen.

    Punk.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 1:33 pm

  216. Yes. Gil no likey Petco, apparently. Seems to like the home park a little better (.279/.361/.481 vs. .272/.339/.429). He’ll get it going against the Redbirds. BTW did anyone think at this late date that Gil would have a SLG 100 points below his previous 3 season totals? That’s vexing, when you consider he used to play half his games in Yellowstone Park. I mean, Jellystone Park.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:01 pm

  217. And has anyone seen this WGN commercial with Ozzie Guillen and Lou Piniella, um, rapping? I tried to link to it, but the filter shot it down. Highest of high comedy, I tells ya.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:02 pm

  218. Chris, do they mention rats? I heard something on the radio about Ozzie and rats. But maybe this was one of his serious statements.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:39 pm

  219. “You go to take batting practice and the rats are bigger than pigs out there. I think the rats are lifting weights.”

    – White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, on the Cubs’ Wrigley Field

    by vtfanmv5 on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  220. vtfanmv5: These are the reasons I love Oz. Though the White Sox can collectively go eff themselves.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 2:54 pm

  221. vtfanmv5, was that from the commercial, or just another mild everyday opinion from the Oz?

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  222. Just a mild everyday opinion, I believe. I’m interested in finding this rap though.

    by vtfanmv5 on Jun 23, 2008 at 3:16 pm

  223. There just has to be a website somewhere with the collected wisdom of Ozzie captured in audio.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  224. Sean: If you Google Ozzie + Piniella + WGN + rap, you can see the commercial. It’s the first link that comes up.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 23, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  225. Thanks, Chris. Got it.

    Way too PG. They need to let Lou and Ozzie get down with they bad selves. I want to see the cable TV version.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 23, 2008 at 4:04 pm

  226. MIKE R, I’ve never seen your “mean” side and I don’t ever want to. I hear it could be ugly.

    by ron on Jun 23, 2008 at 5:28 pm

  227. Haha. I have no mean side Ron. I’m a big teddy bear. Or something.

    by Mike R on Jun 23, 2008 at 5:40 pm

  228. I’d like to know the inning and score when Marcus homers. Is it, “I hope I get a good pitch to hit” or ” A home run right now is what we need”.

    by ron on Jun 24, 2008 at 11:32 am

  229. ron: Ask, and you shall receive –

    1: 4th inning, 2-2 score off of Jon Lester (2 run shot)
    2: 5th inning, down 2-1 off Andy Pettite (2 run shot)
    3: 3rd inning, ahead 4-1 off Jarrod Washburn (granny)
    4: 1st inning, 0-0 off Joe Saunders (2 run shot)
    5: 5th inning, ahead 3-0 off Joe Saunders (2 run shot)
    6: 8th inning, down 3-2 off Masahide Kobayashi (solo)
    7: 2nd inning, 0-0 off Javier Vasquez (3 run jimmy jack)
    8: 5th inning, 0-0 off Derek Lowe (solo)
    9: 4th inning, down 4-3 off Brad Penny (2 run bomb)
    10: 6th inning, ahead 3-0 off Chan Ho Park (solo)
    11: 2nd inning, 0-0 off Tim Lincecum (solo)
    12: 4th inning, tied 1-1 off Tim Lincecum (2 run job)
    13: 9th inning, ahead 3-1 off Vinnie Chulk (solo)
    14: 7th inning, tied 5-5 off Justin Hampson (2 run)

    A lot of those were very timely. And off some good pitchers, too.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 24, 2008 at 11:53 am

  230. Thames 2008 HRs:

    Top 4th score 2-2 (2-run HR)
    Top 5th score 2-1 (2-run HR)
    Bottom 3rd score 4-1 (Grand Slam)
    Top 1st score 0-0 (2-run HR)
    Top 5th score 3-0 (2-run HR)
    Bottom 8th score 2-3 (solo)
    Bottom 2nd score 0-0 (3-run HR)
    Bottom 5th score 0-0 (solo)
    Bottom 4th score 3-4 (2-run HR)
    Bottom 6th score 3-0 (solo)
    Top 2nd score 0-0 (solo)
    Top 4th score 1-1 (2 run HR)
    Top 9th score 3–1 (solo)
    Top 7th score 5-5 (2-run HR)

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:19 pm

  231. Oh yeah, real fancy, listing the pitcher and everything.

    Whatever!

    Mine’s better, right, Ron?

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:21 pm

  232. Chris in Dallas left out the pitch count. Pretty sloppy work, I’d say. And what about temp at game time? Huh? Huh?

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 24, 2008 at 12:22 pm

  233. Sean: I also incorporated “jimmy jack” into my post, so there.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 24, 2008 at 2:29 pm

  234. Yeah, Chris, how could I not notice the jimmy jack? Frankly. I thought that was showboating. You already had me beat by half an hour. Unfairly, I might add, since I’m busy at work.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 24, 2008 at 2:36 pm

  235. Ron – Pitch counts on Thames’s Country Funk bombs:

    5 first pitch
    1 at 0-1
    1 at 1-1
    1 at 2-1
    1 at 0-2
    1 at 1-2
    2 at 2-2
    2 on full count

    6 boom-diggitys were hit after the first pitch thrown was a ball. 6 yardboys were slammed on a 2-strike count.

    Outs situation:

    5 with none out
    6 with 1 out
    3 with 2 outs

    Thus far he’s been shut down with 3 outs, but he’s due.

    Chris will appear presently to sort all this out by pitcher and instance.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 24, 2008 at 2:49 pm

  236. Thames is not only due for a 3 out HR, but he’s yet to connect on a 4-0 or 0-3 pitch. We should see some correction to the mean in those categories.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 24, 2008 at 3:04 pm

  237. Good call, Chris. I get the sense that fans are looking for a fresh approach to understanding the confusing plethora, the swirling miasma, the overflowing diaspora of modern stats, and you and I are on the cutting edge.

    by Sean C. in Illinois on Jun 24, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  238. Yes, Sean, it’s hard to make sense of it all sometimes. Fortunately we here at DTW Comments Central provide a beacon of light in the dark storm of baseball sabermetrics. Or something to that effect.

    by Chris in Dallas on Jun 24, 2008 at 3:21 pm

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