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	<title>Comments on: Game 72:  Tigers at Giants</title>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/game-72-tigers-at-giants/#comment-92194</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith, your&#039;e not out of your mind. You score a perfect 1.0 on the DO NOT DRINK YOUR FIRST CUP OF COFFEE BEFORE 11:AM SANITY SCALE put out by the AMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith, your&#8217;e not out of your mind. You score a perfect 1.0 on the DO NOT DRINK YOUR FIRST CUP OF COFFEE BEFORE 11:AM SANITY SCALE put out by the AMA.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/game-72-tigers-at-giants/#comment-92187</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way!  Where?  I must&#039;ve missed it.  Once again, I&#039;m an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way!  Where?  I must&#8217;ve missed it.  Once again, I&#8217;m an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/game-72-tigers-at-giants/#comment-92184</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not going to believe this, Chris, but I scooped you on your Thought for the Day by about an hour. Honest.

Score one for Sean! Woo-hoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not going to believe this, Chris, but I scooped you on your Thought for the Day by about an hour. Honest.</p>
<p>Score one for Sean! Woo-hoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/game-72-tigers-at-giants/#comment-92183</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol Sean. 

Thought for the Day:  If the Tigers can win this evening&#039;s contest by 3 or more runs, they will have a positive run differential for the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol Sean. </p>
<p>Thought for the Day:  If the Tigers can win this evening&#8217;s contest by 3 or more runs, they will have a positive run differential for the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/game-72-tigers-at-giants/#comment-92182</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were the Cubs (and who&#039;s to say I&#039;m not), I would drop that Donald fella like a... a hot potato. I&#039;ve seen the reports. His production is egregiously cruel and inhumane. He&#039;s not the &quot;milk-fed&quot; prospect the Cubs wers sold. In fact, he&#039;s laced with all sorts of drugs. His violent background and inability to walk make me question both his stability and hitting potential.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were the Cubs (and who&#8217;s to say I&#8217;m not), I would drop that Donald fella like a&#8230; a hot potato. I&#8217;ve seen the reports. His production is egregiously cruel and inhumane. He&#8217;s not the &#8220;milk-fed&#8221; prospect the Cubs wers sold. In fact, he&#8217;s laced with all sorts of drugs. His violent background and inability to walk make me question both his stability and hitting potential.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/game-72-tigers-at-giants/#comment-92180</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t some team (maybe the Cubs) have a prospect named Donald Veal?  Veal, Pie and Inge Whip.  Sounds tasty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t some team (maybe the Cubs) have a prospect named Donald Veal?  Veal, Pie and Inge Whip.  Sounds tasty.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris.  Don&#039;t fret.  The fart jokes will come.  In time, in time.  I&#039;m still working on my first cup of coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris.  Don&#8217;t fret.  The fart jokes will come.  In time, in time.  I&#8217;m still working on my first cup of coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deal Brandon to the Cubs (who needs Ramirez?) so they can have Inge Whip on Felix Pie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deal Brandon to the Cubs (who needs Ramirez?) so they can have Inge Whip on Felix Pie.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Cubs.</description>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, I tried to counteract the rising level of dicourse here with a poopy joke in some recent thread. Look around. Yeah, it&#039;s not the same as a fart joke, but I did what I could with what I had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, I tried to counteract the rising level of dicourse here with a poopy joke in some recent thread. Look around. Yeah, it&#8217;s not the same as a fart joke, but I did what I could with what I had.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg

Inge Whip. That&#039;s good. But most of us already have one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg</p>
<p>Inge Whip. That&#8217;s good. But most of us already have one.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  You guys are too in-depth today.  Where are the fart jokes?  Geez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  You guys are too in-depth today.  Where are the fart jokes?  Geez.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TSmith - I like it.  A huge pet peeve of mine is seeing a routine double play botched, but they still get the the force.  The inning continues, with a DP, the inning would be over, but there are only two outs, and then the floodgates open up.  If I only had a nickel for every time this happened.  So statisticallly, the pitcher is at fault, when in reality, if the SS just made the routine play, 5 fewer runs would have scored.  The SS lost the game, but no &#039;fault&#039; is given, statistically, he just gets credit for making the force out.

So to taking your idea a step further, I&#039;d like to see the REAL WORLD impact of the &#039;non-plays&#039; or &#039;0&#039;.  Not the projections based on &#039;average situations&#039;, but what actually occurred.  For example:   Guillen botches routine ground ball preventing a double play that sould have ended inning, subsequently 5 Runs scored.  So Guillen gets credit for 5 actual RCFO(Runs created for Opponent)

There could be other stats spunoff from this.  How about the IERA &#039;Inge Earned Run Average&#039;.   How many times have we said,  &#039;Inge could have made that play?&#039;   Well, lets figure it out!  Just rescore each game and theoretically place Inge at every position. If Inge would have made the play, give the player an ILE(Inge Level Error) and recalculate the the IERA.  We&#039;ll also modify the WHIP and call it IWHIP(Inge Whip) and eliminate all BB/hits that were cause by innings extended by ILE&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TSmith &#8211; I like it.  A huge pet peeve of mine is seeing a routine double play botched, but they still get the the force.  The inning continues, with a DP, the inning would be over, but there are only two outs, and then the floodgates open up.  If I only had a nickel for every time this happened.  So statisticallly, the pitcher is at fault, when in reality, if the SS just made the routine play, 5 fewer runs would have scored.  The SS lost the game, but no &#8216;fault&#8217; is given, statistically, he just gets credit for making the force out.</p>
<p>So to taking your idea a step further, I&#8217;d like to see the REAL WORLD impact of the &#8216;non-plays&#8217; or &#8217;0&#8242;.  Not the projections based on &#8216;average situations&#8217;, but what actually occurred.  For example:   Guillen botches routine ground ball preventing a double play that sould have ended inning, subsequently 5 Runs scored.  So Guillen gets credit for 5 actual RCFO(Runs created for Opponent)</p>
<p>There could be other stats spunoff from this.  How about the IERA &#8216;Inge Earned Run Average&#8217;.   How many times have we said,  &#8216;Inge could have made that play?&#8217;   Well, lets figure it out!  Just rescore each game and theoretically place Inge at every position. If Inge would have made the play, give the player an ILE(Inge Level Error) and recalculate the the IERA.  We&#8217;ll also modify the WHIP and call it IWHIP(Inge Whip) and eliminate all BB/hits that were cause by innings extended by ILE&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I may be old, but I&#039;m fit enough to play for the Detroit Tigers if I wanted to. I simply choose not to. Even though it would be so cool to have a manager that smokes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I may be old, but I&#8217;m fit enough to play for the Detroit Tigers if I wanted to. I simply choose not to. Even though it would be so cool to have a manager that smokes.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith

What you mention in the last part of your post is something I look for, too, truth that gets buried in aggregate stats. The closest thing I&#039;ve found so far as a metric for &quot;clutch&quot; (for lack of a better term) relies on someone else&#039;s work entirely, the wWPA thing in the baseball-reference game logs. It&#039;s winner&#039;s Win Probability Added, and I even think I understand how they come up with those numbers. I would need a database with the entire statistical history of organized baseball in it to calculate such things myself. So I think I&#039;ll leave it to them and borrow from it until I come up with something of my own that satisfies me. Subjectively.</description>
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<p>What you mention in the last part of your post is something I look for, too, truth that gets buried in aggregate stats. The closest thing I&#8217;ve found so far as a metric for &#8220;clutch&#8221; (for lack of a better term) relies on someone else&#8217;s work entirely, the wWPA thing in the baseball-reference game logs. It&#8217;s winner&#8217;s Win Probability Added, and I even think I understand how they come up with those numbers. I would need a database with the entire statistical history of organized baseball in it to calculate such things myself. So I think I&#8217;ll leave it to them and borrow from it until I come up with something of my own that satisfies me. Subjectively.</p>
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