PREGAME: I’m tired from the last couple nights. So it’s Nate Robertson and Justin Duchscherer and all the data is available at the game preview link below. Or you can just follow the template.
DET @ OAK, Wednesday, June 4, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com
June 4, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Where did our edit button go, Billfer? I am lost without it.
June 4, 2008 at 3:38 pm
I shouldn’t complain that Santiago is in the lineup
Chris in Dallas
June 4, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Dave: You are better unedited, my friend.
June 4, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Nate’s got this one in the bag. They shouldn’t even bother playing, so clear is his supremacy over the A’s.
Sean C. in Illinois
I am ecstatic that Santiago is in the lineup. No disrespect for Edgar intended, of course.
Come on, Ramon, it’s your time to shine!
Can I call him Pool Boy? Just a Seinfeld thing. Don’t want that one guy coming after me.
Yeah, no edits. Now we’ll see how well Mr. Smarty Pants Dave BW does, without an EDIT button.
No pressure, Dave.
Mark in Chicago
wow, i just skimmed through the last 100 or so posts from last night after i took off. chris, sean, t, you guys are hard core, that was a work of art.
at some point all this mojo has to bring us a win, no?
June 4, 2008 at 3:53 pm
You’d think, Mark.
June 4, 2008 at 3:55 pm
sean, welcome to the late-1990s. revel in it, my friend.
June 4, 2008 at 3:57 pm
i thought it was 2003
Rod just explained that, at the MLB level, confidence is the most important thing Talent, I guess, is of secondary impact
June 4, 2008 at 3:58 pm
The outcome of the game is not in doubt. The only question is how are the Tigers going to lose today? Is it going to be:
1) No clutch hitting
2) Very little hitting to begine with
3) Another shutout
4) Poor defense/ defensive mistakes that lead to big innings for the opposition
5) Poor starting pitching– Nate gets raked
6) Bullpen fails again
My bet is it will be a combination of 1,3 & 5
June 4, 2008 at 4:03 pm
I’m glad Santiago is in the lineup. Disrespect to Renteria clearly intended. And offense. And other bad things.
Why in the hell is Leyland DH-ing Larish again? This is the stupidest thing to do if you want a guy who is new to the bigs to feel comfortable. Let him play 1st so he can relax at the plate knowing that he’s contributing in the field…… Dahhh
June 4, 2008 at 4:05 pm
I understand Larish is DH becuase his glovework makes Gil Cabrera look like Vic Power.
June 4, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Hell Yes, that is how you do it Ramon….a walk
Ramon! My man!
Well, Ramon Santiago already has more total bases than Gonorrhea has had in the last week…
June 4, 2008 at 4:07 pm
This is going to be fun. Apparently I’m going to accomplish nothing for the next couple of hours…
June 4, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Forget it… Raburn swings at the first pitch.
June 4, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Ouch, Curtis. Didn’t see that coming.
June 4, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Hey where are you guys monitoring this game from (assuming you’re not actually watching it)? I’m watching the RealTime ESPN updates, which make Gil Cabrera look like Vince Coleman. I’m all about similes today, aren’t I?
June 4, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Chris in D — As a grad student, I think it’s obvious that I have no obligations to prevent me from watching a game at 4 PM
cbs.sportsline GameCenter, Chris.
June 4, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Oh – at work, though I will later deny it.
June 4, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Were those “good” or “bad” flyball outs for Nate? You know what I’m getting at.
Cool thanks, Sean. The ESPN one is so slow it’s giving me “live” updates from Ty Cobb’s big league debut. In case you were interested, Ty is 1-2 with a triple.
June 4, 2008 at 4:20 pm
OK it’s becoming obvious they are *not* scoring off of Douchehurler today. The only hope is an acute case of gout to get him off the mound.
Not good. 4 innings and the A’s pitcher is at 35 pitches.
June 4, 2008 at 4:22 pm
OK, back to work for a while. No sense getting fired over a game like this.
Dan said they were on the warning track
June 4, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Maggs should thank the ump for not throwing him out after arguing the pitch
June 4, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Oh, it’s all part of the plan, Sean. We will lull him into a sense of security and then… ummm… a double play or something, probably
June 4, 2008 at 4:25 pm
And this is where Nate comes unglued…
June 4, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Well Sean, you left at the right time, one run for the A’s. That should be enough.
OK check that. You trade a run for two outs there. Of course with the way DD has been trading lately, they might have traded 3 runs for one out and a baserunner to be named later.
June 4, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Tigers must be excited to come home, the game hasn’t even lasted an hour yet and it is half way done.
June 4, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Very typical Nate, I see. You want to be mad at him, but you can’t be. He didn’t put the goose egg up for the Tigers.
June 4, 2008 at 4:48 pm
This may be the least exciting game of the whole year. And that’s saying something.
June 4, 2008 at 4:50 pm
Look who’s drawing the leadoff walks today.
June 4, 2008 at 4:51 pm
OK, a semi-leadoff walk.
June 4, 2008 at 4:53 pm
The time to strike is now, 2 on, 1 out. There won’t be another chance once the A’s bullpen is in. No credit to them.
June 4, 2008 at 4:54 pm
No shutout! Woooooooooooo!!!!
June 4, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Drive it now, Marcus.
June 4, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Don’t let us down, Herb.
June 4, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Man, the A’s guy is melting down. Tiger scouts, take note.
June 4, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Oh, that was awful, Larish. I would have preferred a strikeout. I think this one’s a wrap.
June 4, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Pretty swift to have Larish at #5 anyway. I sure hope we see more of this.
June 4, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Yeah, Dave, it wwas boring, and now it might get boring again. It’s like a ghost town here. From what I hear, we are replicating the atmosphere at the ball park itself.
June 4, 2008 at 5:11 pm
What a surprise, 6th inning HR off fly ball Nate with pitch count in the 90′s.
June 4, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Sean: You’re surprised there was a homerun off of a fly ball?
June 4, 2008 at 5:14 pm
I was not watching the game because I did not realize it was on. Now I have turned it off. Watching the A’s pitcher melt down in the 6th, and the Tigers total inability to take advantage was once again sickening to behold. Of course, the A’s leadoff hitter in the bottom hits a home run………a team that does not hit home runs.
I wonder how men like Rod and Mario maintain their professional composure. I would not be able to do that.
This team just stinks……but thanks anyway, Billfer, for giving me somewhere to say so. Better than just holding it in all the time. I am disabled and out of work, so I see every game. I really wish now that I had not become such a Tigers fan. My wife died, my mother died, my brother died…..I ended up in the hospital for a long time with a permanent condition. And the one distraction is this …….and it isn’t their losing that hurts. It is that they are just incompetent baseball players. (Not all, of course….) But on the whole they just play badly…..VERY BADLY. Not major league quality at all.
June 4, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Ha ha, Chris. I’m conserving hyphens today.
Saints be praised! Pudge drew a walk!? Douchehurler must be wild this afternoon.
June 4, 2008 at 5:17 pm
Keep your head up, Sky. Pudge drawing a walk proves that miracles do happen…
And Santiago gets on base again. Now is where Raburn grounds into a DP.
Well, Sky, I’m considering getting more interested in the Chicago Cubs, myself.
June 4, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Sean: I’ve had my eye on the Nippon Ham Fighters for a while now. I may jump ship soon.
June 4, 2008 at 5:19 pm
What I tell you about Santiago? That guy should really play more often.
June 4, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Santiago plays more often, Renteria plays less often…I don’t see a downside here.
Ryan’s going yard, I can feel it. The clown on the mound is getting tired.
June 4, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Wow. El Duch-que is throwing the ball all over the place. At least that prevents a double play grounder. Of course I’m sure Raburn could find a way to do it…
Where I come from, going yard means a swinging K. Really.
June 4, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Or strike out. Now it’s Grandy’s turn to whiff. No, scratch that. I’m going to put in the call here. 3 run jack.
June 4, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I don’t like the A’s. They don’t play fair at all.
Alright. WTF is going on. Pitching change?
June 4, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Oh I see how it is. Just because Granderson hits like .176 against lefties you want to make him face one? Bad form, Bob Geren, bad form.
June 4, 2008 at 5:25 pm
OK that’s it. I can’t take this anymore. Time to go find one of those suicide booths that they have in ‘Futurama’…
June 4, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Well… flying out with men on 2nd and 3rd and 2 outs isn’t so bad, when you think about it. It’s strategic, in a way. Like declining a penalty or something, right?
This time is just horrible. I don’t understand how a ball-club with so many veteren players can look so lost on a baseball field. Jim Leyland needs to go. He can’t settle on a line-up. His “gut instincts” are just not working, and he can’t seem to get his starting pitching to pitch for him. This team is horrible.
June 4, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Go Nate! Leave some men on for the reliever, unless you’d prefer to give up another HR. Your choice.
June 4, 2008 at 5:39 pm
June 4, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Yay! Fossum time!
June 4, 2008 at 5:42 pm
so glad i missed this mess to attend a ridiculously time-wasting town hall meeting at work.
also, i hated how the one A’s announcer last night kept calling him “E-mail Brown”.
June 4, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Yay! RBI single!
Kevin in Austin
June 4, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hey guys – I’ve been thinking about taking on a hobby with a better ROI than the Tigers. What do you know about self-flagellation?
Joey the K in Portland OR
June 4, 2008 at 5:48 pm
I think I need to go see the Tigs next time they play in Oakland (hopefully better) That stadium is EMPTY for every game!
ok maybe I’ll wait til next year….
June 4, 2008 at 5:49 pm
i hope we have fossum signed up long term cause he has to get better than this. perhaps we can trade zoom to the marlins and get jones back…give him another $5 million and tell him we were wrong and feel he can hit now and of course he will.
This team is just terrible!
June 4, 2008 at 5:52 pm
time for cale iorg to get to the bigs…
If Fossum pitched 9 innings we’d lose 108 – 1.
June 4, 2008 at 5:56 pm
i’m not sure Maggs could have played that fly ball any worse than he did
June 4, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Check that, 135 – 1.
June 4, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Casey Fossum is a AAAA pitcher. He stunk for the Red Sox years ago, he then stunk for the D backs, then the Rays. Problem is he’s always looked a TON worse than his numbers(career 5.47 era, 1.52 whip). I have absolutely no confidence that he’ll be effective.
At least Cruceta had upside in that if he ever learned to command his stuff, he could be great….as for Fossum…..he’s a solid AAA pitcher, that’s his ceiling.
June 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Hey billfer – if you get around to it, can we have a “should Leyland be canned” thread for tomorrow’s off day? I’d like to hear everyone’s input, but I’m too depressed to work up an argument one way or the other today.
June 4, 2008 at 6:11 pm
So I just go to the box score online:
IP H R ER BB K HR Season ERA
C. Fossum 0.0 3 4 4 1 0 0 135.00
edit: bah, spacing doesn’t work properly.
June 4, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Oh, and a poll would be awesome too.
June 4, 2008 at 6:17 pm
fossum and larish back to toledo…wonder whose confidence we can destroy now. we got the only triple a club with players that don’t want to be promoted.
June 4, 2008 at 6:48 pm
we got the only triple a club with players that don’t want to be promoted.
Ha. There might be some truth to that. Toledo seems to be having a pretty exhilarating season. Good play at any level is more interesting than this, you know, whatever you call it from the Detroit Tigers.
I think I’m running out of sarcasm and negativity.
June 4, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Come on, now, Sean. I bet if you really applied yourself you could come up with TONS more sarcasm and negativity. I believe you can. And since the Tigers have managed to underperform even my worst possible expectations, that’s all I really have to believe in anymore…
June 4, 2008 at 6:52 pm
I guess Fossum was Extra-Strength Cruceta Concentrate. Wonder who else blew up. I’m too tired to look it up.
June 4, 2008 at 6:58 pm
I’ll try to live up to your expectations, Mark. Ideally, the Tigers come back with a decent homestand to raise hopes again, then tank. This creates the ideal growing conditions for premium sarcasm and negativity.
We’ve entered Marinersville. I can’t be funny in Marinersville.
June 4, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Yep, this team stinks. Tigers will lose 100 games this season
June 4, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Chris, I will take that bet.
June 4, 2008 at 7:51 pm
I wouldn’t — Chris didn’t pay up after the last time, Mark.
Ken from Cincinnati
June 4, 2008 at 8:06 pm
Thank god I went fishing instead of watching today’s game. What a nightmare. I had a much more enriching evening scraping off scales and scooping fish guts. My travels take me to Detroit this weekend. Anybody going to the games? I would rather wallow in misery with a fellow blogger than just mutter expletives to myself.
June 4, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Wow. You can tell I have become emotionally detached. I forgot – or maybe my brain protected me from the fact – that today’s game was in the afternoon. Never checked at work, got home and turned on the last out. Ugh.
So many posts here say this “team” is terrible. But that’s the problem. All the offseason tweaking resulted in a group that is not a team. So sad, so disappointing.
June 4, 2008 at 8:20 pm
they are on course to lose 97 games
June 4, 2008 at 8:21 pm
One thing that shocked me was Maggs’ throwing his batting helmet to the ground and throwing his bat. He just looked disgusted. Do we have a SS in Toledo who’s any good? With Ramon probably going on the DL that’s going to free up a spot for someone, unless they put Carlos back at SS. Larish looks awful at the plate imo and I don’t think playing 1st base would help. I never thought I’d say or even think this, but maybe we need a new manager.
June 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Kevin in Austin:
As for you new hobby choice, I say branch out a little. Skydiving, rock climbing, maybe take a master sommelier course? I dunno. But self flaggelation is pretty much the same gig as following the Tigers.
June 4, 2008 at 8:50 pm
This is the single most disappointing Tigers team of my lifetime.
June 4, 2008 at 8:58 pm
Time for everyone’s least favorite stat: This team is 138-145 since 8/1/06. And that’s including the playoff run. The manager is not getting anything out of previously talented players. He’s got to go. You can’t fire all the players, you can only fire the manager. I will always be grateful to Leyland for the ’06 season, but he can take his career .495 winning percentage and, stick it, well, somewhere this PG-13 site prevents me from saying where exactly.
June 4, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Stephen, this team has desensitized me too much to complain about your stat anymore.
June 4, 2008 at 9:59 pm
i agree. the team cannot continue to resemble a poorly coached little league group without changes. right now almost every leyland interview and move is a further embarassment to the team in specific and major league baseball in general.
June 4, 2008 at 10:00 pm
I understand the idea of having the Leyland replaced, but I don’t know what another manager could do to make this team play to its capability. You can’t say he has not tried anything. He has tried almost everything and nothing is working. The only thing I would do differently is to bench Rentarea more often, have Larish play 1st, and make Cabrera the DH. Besides that, I don’t know what another manager could do to improve the situation.
But then again, if they are to make moves with the hope that it makes this team play better, then why not change managers with the hope that it will make a difference.
June 4, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Once again, once players start to tune out a manager, its uncommon to get them to tune in again.
“There’s just times when things work until they don’t. When they stop working, one of the most difficult things is to try to recapture what had worked before,” Mark Cuban.
June 4, 2008 at 10:19 pm
“This is the single most disappointing Tigers team of my lifetime.”
Easily…. Nothing even comes close.
How does this team rank in terms of all-time busts? Are they more disapointing than the ’06 Cubs?
Ryan In Brooklyn
June 4, 2008 at 11:12 pm
That’s it! I’m calling it. 2008 season: Time of death – 5:30 pm, June 4, 2008.
I know others have either already come to this or are still holding out hope. But for me, this season is toast. You can count me in favor of giving Leyland his walking papers.
June 5, 2008 at 1:30 am
This is the Titanic, the Hindenburg, the Edsel. Their will be no jumping ship. Hail to the Red Wings and Bill Laimbeer for always having the girls ready to play.
June 5, 2008 at 1:38 am
Stephan, this is the most disappointing season of any Tiger fan ever. By the way,Ty Cobb stole home twice in 1915 during this very week of the baseball season.
June 5, 2008 at 8:51 am
I missed the injury to Santiago. That’s a blow to the team, no joke. It might have a silver lining, as these things sometimes do. But the underutilization (is that even a word?) of Santiago is yet another item in Leyland’s big barrel of bad moves in 2008.
Santiago doesn’t seem to get a lot of respect from Tigers fans. Maybe that’s justified. But when you put up decent numbers and come through a ridiculously good percentage of the time in limited play, in my opinion you get more of a chance. If it’s working, go with it until it stops working.
June 5, 2008 at 9:06 am
Sean I have always been a Santiago booster and feel that he needs to play more often. I am bummed about the injury but I’m basically numb right now.
ron nice shout-out to the Shock, hopefully they will give us something to cheer about this year. The games are fun too, except for having to drive out to the Palace.
June 5, 2008 at 11:10 am
Now Illitch can focus on the Tigers. It’s not too late.
June 5, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Dombrowski and Leland need to go . . . and next time Ilitch writes such a ridiculous contract like the one w/Cabrera, maybe he should consider adding a performance clause . . . it’s simple . . . they don’t produce, they don’t get paid.
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