Game 58: Tigers at Athletics

PREGAME: Tonight’s starters are Dontrelle Willis, Dana Eveland, and Armando Galarraga. That’s right, it’s split start night in Oakland.

Dontrelle Willis returns to his hometown and the starting rotation. Willis has made 2 starts, but only recorded outs in one of them. The other saw his knee do a strange bendy thing that resulted in a DL stint. The key for for Willis is not to walk the whole ballpark.

Armando Galarraga will be the Tigers other starter coming in around the 5th inning or so. He’s coming off a near shut out complete game performance against the Angels that was spoiled by a Maicier Izturis 9th inning homer.

Eveland takes the ball for the A’s. The lefty has a 3.66 ERA on the year and a normal 6.4 K/9 rate and a normal 3.5 BB/9 rate. What he does well is keep the ball in the park. He’s only allowed 3 homers in 66.1 innings this year. Only 1 of those has come in Oakland where he boasts a 2.73 home ERA.

Everyday left fielder Marcus Thames who hasn’t played the last few games will be DH. Inge is available as a defensive replacement late, but Leyland doesn’t want to risk losing his back-up catcher early in the game aggravating his oblique.

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Thames, DH
  4. Ordonez, RF
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Guillen, 3B
  7. Renteria, SS
  8. Rodriguez, C
  9. Raburn, LF

DET @ OAK, Tuesday, June 3, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

POSTGAME: I confess. I went to bed. After the 10th inning, with my alarm clock looming 3.5 hours later I just couldn’t do it anymore. I wasn’t surprised to wake up and see they lost. I was surprised to see it on an infield single from Jack Cust.

The Tigers left too many runs out there. The Clete Thomas play where he got a horrible read on the ball. The Pudge Rodriguez play where he couldn’t handle the short hop from Thomas allowing the tying run to score. Leaving runners at third with less than 2 outs. It all adds up to a loss.

Willis looked very good in the first 2 innings being in and around the strike zone. But then he struggled again the next innings and was all over the place yet somehow escaped unscathed. So there was some reason to be encouraged, but he didn’t exactly finish strong (although wiggling out of the jam should give him a lift).

Galarraga walked a couple in his first inning and then ultimately allowed the 3 run homer before settling in.

Curtis Granderson made a phenomenal play and with the help of a Emil Brown brain cramp kept the game tied in the 8th.

I don’t have any other thoughts. They are playing better-ish, but still not really crisp. Each of the last 2 nights, and really every game of this road trip save for the Felix Hernandez start, they had multiple chances to win a game but once again they come up short.

I’m just happy to be done with late night west coast games for awhile.

467 Comments

  1. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    I’ll hit this later, but Brent Clevlen has 2 more homers and a IBB so far tonight for the Mud Hens.

  2. Mike R

    June 3, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Might be time to try to catch lightning in a bottle with Clevlen? Is that what you’re hinting at?

    Also, I love the breakdown on Willis’ injury … “strange bendy thing.” Haha, it made me laugh.

  3. tiff

    June 3, 2008 at 9:21 pm

    Raburn! Our other everday leftfielder!

  4. Brian in Tampa

    June 3, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    He said “bendy”.

  5. Steve

    June 3, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Well …. we REALLY need to win tonight as we only have a one game lead over the Royals for last place. It would be nice to see the guys get it all together and go on a 15-3 run of games and move up.

    Maybe Dontrelle will mash through tonight and get some confidence.

    And NO bendy things tonight ;)

    Steve

  6. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    Raburn! Our other everday leftfielder!

    Early leader in Comment Of The Day voting, tiff!

  7. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Nothing Leyland does ever makes sense or corroborates(sp?) other decisions that didn’t make sense. For instance, if you don’t have the confidence in Marcus Thames to play him everyday (even when you said you would), then why would you bat him 3rd? Is he our best hitter or is he a pine-riding spot starter that should be hitting 8th or 9th? There are a plethora (sp? What happened to spell check on here) of other examples just like this. One day Leyland will bat you third or 5th and the next day you aren’t in our plans for the future anymore. One day you’re given the ball to pitch in a crucial 2-2 bottom of the ninth game, and the next day you’re sent packing. Is Leyland a schitzo?? Is the whole team a bunch of schitzos?? Am I a schitzo? Is this how you spell schitzo??

  8. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    Lose the “t’ and you’re fine (schizo). Beats trying to spell Cincinnati….

  9. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Ken,

    Try using simpler words you know how to spell as apposed(sp?) to tuffer (sp?) ones so you don’t half (sp?) to keep putting (sp?) in every sentance (sp?)

    ;-)

  10. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    I’m not sure if that’s even how “(sp?)” is supposed to be spelled

  11. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 9:53 pm

    I see Thames. Guillen, and Cabrera all hitting 2-run homers. A bendy thing will happen with Carlos (nothing serious), and his replacement, Mr. Inge, will come through with his weekly clutch hit, a single misplayed into a double, to drive in 2 runs and break a late tie. Polanco wins it with a grand slam in the 9th, though we won’t realize it was the winner until Todd Jones gives up 2 in the bottom half en route to picking up the win. Dontrelle gets roughed up early, but Galaragga comes on and puts out the fire, though one late mistake will cost him the win. A sensational play by – of all people – Edgar Scissorhands gets Jones and the Tigers out of a difficult 9th inning pickle. Magglio goes hitless again, and yet scores 4 times. A Quad-Magglio (thank you, Mark).

    Tigers 12, A’s 8.

    Shut out again on Wednesday.

  12. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Sean,

    Do you mean Inge’s weekly hit or weakly hit?

    Love the sutout tomorrow call after scoring 12 tonight, that’s golden.

  13. Taylor

    June 3, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Sean C.

    That was one of the best comments I’ve ever read here…

    It’s almost sad that our season has become such comic relief, but it’s nice you guys come through to keep me laughing!

  14. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Ken, your spelling was fine, accept for skittzo. Seriously – you make a good point, and it’s the thing that worries me the most about the Tigers aside from the consistently inconsistent play. Could there be a connection between the two? And what came first? (No, Who’s on first…)

    Coleman, you’re funny. You’re in the right place.

  15. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Mark

    “Do you mean Inge’s weekly hit or weakly hit?”

    Yes.

  16. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    I see Jim Leyland, self-confused by mentioning that Inge has the same injury as Sheffield several times (required: one cigarette before and after each use of the word oblique), becoming furious at being unable to find Sheffield to send in as a late-inning defensive replacement at 3rd–so furious that he almost puts a name to it.

  17. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    All the Central teams except the White Sox are losing tonight. Sure would be nice to pick up a game on everyone.

  18. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Ken, you do make a good point, Leyland seems to be all over the place with his moves, sometimes contradicting something he said minutes earlier.

    At least he’s consistent (so far) with letting Curtis get some ABs against a lefty.

  19. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Taylor – Thanks, but keep reading. I’m actually kind of a lightweight around here.

  20. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    And we now boldly embark into Day One of the Cassey Fossum Era.

  21. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    Sean,

    “Don’t sell yourself short, judge. You’re a tremendous slouch.”

    Caddyshack? anyone? no? nothing?

    Marcus struck out, he may not see a start again for 3 weeks.

  22. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    “And we now boldly embark into Day One of the Cassey Fossum Era.” I read that they found the skeleton of a prehistoric frog from that era that probably ate baby dinosaurs.

  23. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Apparently Raburn is our emergency catcher, meaning that he would take over for Pudge if something extraordinary happened (a base on balls, perhaps). Thames, who lacks Raburn’s one Spring Training inning at catcher, is therefore the DH because you can’t move players from the DH spot without a pitcher having to bat. Everyone got it?!

  24. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Mark in Chicago,

    If I didn’t indicate that I’m smart enough to know when I might be stupid by putting (sp?) everywhere, then you might end up thinking I’m just stupid. We can’t have that, Mark.

  25. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    “because you can’t move players from the DH spot without a pitcher having to bat.” If Leyland had gone with Galarraga then Willis, you wouldn’t risk much if the pitcher had to bat.

  26. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Dontrelle, presumably having lost a bet, is now sporting the beginnings of some truly unfortunate facial hair.

  27. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    A walk free inning for Dontrelle. And even on the balls he was right around the strike zone.

  28. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    “Marcus struck out, he may not see a start again for 3 weeks”

    I may have it wrong, but I think I noticed earlier today at bbref that he strikes out LESS often (ratio) against righties.

  29. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    He’s back in his home town, maybe the facial hair is to impress his little brother or something.

  30. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Pretty good inning for D-Train, he established the fastball. Might need to use a few other pitches, though.

  31. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Ken,

    Um…… OK?

    Dave BW,

    Actually, having Dontrelle bat is not a bad thing, he’s a hell of a hitter. Good catch on the brillo pad he glued to his face, though. Somehow I missed that.

    Sean C.,

    Don’t make me go back over to bbref to verify Marcus’ splits against righties, I was there all afternoon, and, there was an…. incident, and well…. let’s just say I can’t really go back for a while.

  32. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    *scoff* Dana’s a girls name, Eveland.

  33. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    What are the odds pudge hits into a DP here? 3-1? 2-1? even money?

  34. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Mark –

    I was just reporting Rod’s herculean explanation — as a Marlins watcher for some three or four years, I know well of Dontrelle’s hitting prowess, believe you me!

  35. Chris

    June 3, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Rodrigues Refuses to take a walk. … would much rather strike out

  36. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    oh my.

    The A’s TV network just put up a stat the pudge swings at 60% of ALL PITCHES.

    But, at least he didn’t hit into a DP.

  37. charlie

    June 3, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    i see the “big unit” is second all time in strikeouts. boy, i wish my nickname in highschool had been the “big unit” might have had a couple more dates lol.

  38. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Wow this is cool Detroit is doing that thing other teams do, where they don’t swing at the bad pitches and suddenly there are a lot of guys on base and the pitchers get tired and whatnot…except Pudge of course (on the other hand: no double play)

  39. Tbone

    June 3, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Pudge and Raburn killing the rally from the bottom of the order. Ugh.

  40. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    “*scoff* Dana’s a girls name, Eveland.”

    And you can bet that the Tiger dugout is razzing him without mercy. One of the keys to victory I failed to mention in the pregame forecast.

    Mark – Ken’s kidding. I’m pretty sure. Incident? Ha! You’ll HAVE to tell us about it some time. I was telling Chris we NEVER should have told you about that place.

  41. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    I don’t want to do this, I’m sure it’s impolite but I really can’t help it …Raburn’s only hitting .091 with Runners in Scoring Position! Help!

  42. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Pudge Pudge
    The wonderful mitt
    The more you swing
    The less you hit

  43. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    Attn: First Willis K of the year

  44. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    When I see Pudge walk to the plate with the bases loaded I get the same feeling I get when I walk into a room with 3 drunk chicks at a party. I see loads of opportunity…..I should at least get one. Hell, there’s the possibility I might even get two or three…But most likely I’m just going to go down swinging.

  45. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:36 pm

    “boy, i wish my nickname in highschool had been the “big unit” might have had a couple more dates” haha now ain’t that true

    (on the other hand: could have been “the big eunuch” so maybe count your blessings)

  46. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    “Raburn’s only hitting .091 with Runners in Scoring Position!”

    At first I read this as: Raburn’s only hitting .091 with Renteria in Scoring Position! It was funnier that way.

    I’m not making this up.

  47. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Ken! Hey-oh.

  48. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Wow and poetry here too, thanks to Sean C, what fun (although I keep ending up with other rhymes in my head instead of “mitt”)…no wonder Grilli misses you.

  49. T Smith

    June 3, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Next time Pudge comes to the plate, bases loaded one out, I’m calling for the suicide squeeze. Nothing erks me more than a bases-loaded-one-out whiff. If you can’t even put the ball in play, for crying out loud, bunt.

  50. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Yeah, Ken I know you were joking around, but I originally read your post explaing all the ‘(sp?)’ that it was difficult to understand. So writing “Um…. OK?” was a lot funnier to me than it was to everybody else.

    Chris, sorry to disappoint, but there was no actual incident over at bbref. I was just poking fun at myself for wasting a LOT of time over there today instead of doing, you know, work. I knew about the site prior to you guys but had never really explored it until you and Chris told me about some of the other stuff on it.

  51. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Joba Chamberlain — restricted to a 65 pitch count — allowed two runs in an epic two inning start. Pitcher of the future!

  52. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Re; Pudge–strangely enough, that’s why it might not be so dumb batting him leadoff. One less DP opportunity per game. And he hits better with bases empty.

  53. Tbone

    June 3, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Rod on Polanco: “you don’t see him going 0-2 against Oakland pitching”.

    Just like we never see him strike out.

    Just like everything else about this season that is so inexplicable.

  54. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Great analogy BTW, Ken.

  55. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    “At first I read this as: Raburn’s only hitting .091 with Renteria in Scoring Position! It was funnier that way.

    I’m not making this up.”

    OK, that’s annoying, because now I really want to look up Raburn’s stats with Renteria in scoring position but I also want to, you know, watch the game.

    Oh well, I shouldn’t worry about Renteria, since I don’t drink the water.

  56. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    I expect big things from Cabrera tonight now that it’s getting dark.

  57. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    oh boy. D-Train slipping. Command suddenly MIA…

  58. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    Wow, damn good play by Guillen there

  59. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Glad he got out of that with a DP. That inning he was all over the place.

  60. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Hey, nice D. I wish the Tigers, could do that… oh, wait.

  61. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Maybe that means Guillen’s…you know, his…he might have less…well, you know…

  62. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    It’s okay to break up the no hitter now guys

  63. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    What’s going on, folks? Remember, I’m in the Land That Time Forgot here. Oh, sorry – I already saw the game in my crystal ball. Never mind.

  64. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:52 pm

    Rod once again refers to black men as “brothers”, much to the astonishment of Mario

  65. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Well they will break it up–now that you JINXED it by mentioning it.
    (Although I guess it’s still unclear if blogmention has jinx power)

  66. Brian in Tampa

    June 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    If this pitching strategy works tonight I see a new rotation. Verlander/Rogers, Robertson/Bonderman, Fossom/Porcello, Willis/Galarraga. The new wave of baseball. Catch It!

  67. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Sean,

    Dontrelle looks pretty good, got a couple of DP grounders. Walked two last inning as his command disappeared but got out of it.

    Tigers have 3 walks but no hits.

    0-0, top 4.

  68. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    Sean — No score. Willis has given up a couple hits and walks, and Eveland just had his no-hitter broken up by legendary failure Miguel Cabrera

  69. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    ok, a hit. phew.

    now, let’s try a run.

  70. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Thanks, Mark. :) I’ll just grab a dictionary next time so we don’t have to explain ourselves anymore. BTW, Nice job so far by Dontrelle. He’s the best African American pitcher we’ve had since……ummmmmmm…well…(panic attack)..ummm…(shuffling through papers)…….(googling,googling)………..uhhh…..Earl Wilson?

  71. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    See, told you about Cabrera. And he’s just getting started.
    [Cabrera day game BA: .186 night game BA: .324]

  72. RudeMood19

    June 3, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    I liked Willis’ reaction after the Guillen DP. The man cares about what he does, I respect that a lot. He doesn’t just stop giving a sh*t just because he’s getting paid millions.

  73. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    yeah, there’s the DP.

    what a fun (and familiar) way to end a tiger scoring threat.

  74. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    Cabrera is still in the bigs? Give the guy credit for trying. Hang in there, Miggy.

  75. David G.

    June 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    I just think the M.O. for opposing pitchers is to pitch around the first 2/3 for the order and make up for lost time w/ the latter 1/3. A couple anxious swings out of the top 2/3 in a 6 inning stint and that’s all you need. Renteria’s AB and Pudge’s/Raburn’s in the last threat shows that.

  76. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Nice, Brian in Tampa. The buddy system. I like it.

  77. Jeff

    June 3, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    May be time to get Armando up and throwing . . .

  78. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    It’s getting tougher and tougher for Dontrelle to find the strike zone.

  79. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    I think it’s time to switch to Armando now please.

  80. David G.

    June 3, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    So Zoom hit triple digits tonight, huh?

  81. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Here we go with the air horn again

  82. T Smith

    June 3, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Okay, time for Galarraga to start warming.

  83. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    On Gameday it says “Injury Delay.” What’s up? ‘Trelle’s knee go again?

  84. David G.

    June 3, 2008 at 11:03 pm

    Groin.

  85. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 11:04 pm

    “now, let’s try a run.”

    Ah, so that’s what a “hit and run” is. As a Tiger fan, I am hazy on such definitions.

  86. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    Oh for Pete’s sake.

  87. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:05 pm

    something is bugging dontrelle, but he stayed in the game long enough to walk the second hitter of the inning also.

  88. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Oh, man. Willis is injured again?

  89. Chris

    June 3, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    Whoever was the scout involved with reporting on Willis to the Tigers, should be immediately fired.

  90. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    D-Train with second strikeout of the year

  91. Mike R

    June 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Ivan Rodriguez blocked a ball in the dirt. Is it time for Haley’s Comet to come around again or is the world about to implode?

  92. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    only because Emil Brown swung at 2 straight pitches out of the zone, Dave.

    But I’ll take it.

  93. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    Struck out Emil Brown but also had the wild pitch to “bunt” the two guys over.

    Like a Sacrifice K.

  94. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:08 pm

    D-Train with THIRD strikeout of the year

  95. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Then gets Buck on three pitches. Nice.

  96. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    and K #3 on 3 pitches for the second out.

  97. Mike R

    June 3, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Basically Willis came up hopping like he pulled a groin. He just dusted off Travis Buck with a 91, 91, 93 mph fastball sequence. This is the velocity he was at when he was good in Florida. That’s a good sign as this isn’t the only inning I’ve noticed this. He seems to be sitting comfortably in the 89-91 range.

    His, what I think is his groin, is REALLY bothering him. He’s hopping after every pitch.

  98. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:09 pm

    Dontrelle’s delivery is so weird that it’s impossible to tell when he’s injured or not

  99. David G.

    June 3, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Willis’ mom up and talking trash after the K. Stay classy, Momma.

  100. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 3, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    According to Adam, the scout’s name is Pete, Chris.

  101. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:11 pm

    You gotta bring Gallaraga in after he walks the bases loaded here.

    The guy is money when there’s two outs.

  102. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Wow, I’m running short of “K” placards to hold up….

  103. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Why is he still in there?

    How many times have we seen a guy walk in a run this year? I don’t want to see it again!

  104. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    “According to Adam, the scout’s name is Pete, Chris.”

    Pete Chris? Wasn’t he the Kiss drummer?

  105. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Whoa, Dontrelle got out of the inning on a ground out to first. Hopefully he will be allowed to leave on a high-note

  106. Mike R

    June 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Nah. leaving Willis in is the right spot. Let him either get burned by the BB’s or get out of the jam and keep your lone LHP in the pen for later in the game.

  107. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Ok, good. Thank you for swinging.

  108. David G.

    June 3, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    I will give that effort by Wiilis a pass. Not bad at all. Against a marginal offensive team but looked much better. Now get Gallaraga in there.

  109. greg

    June 3, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Willis so far this season:

    16 BB’s 3 K’s

  110. Jeff

    June 3, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    Okay, two nice innings, then two innings where he danced on the knife blade and managed to get of it (and quite nicely I might add). He shouldn’t be out there for the 5th.

  111. Vince in MN

    June 3, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    The fact that Willis hasn’t allowed a run yet doesn’t make a bit of difference – this kind of performance is unacceptable.

  112. Brian in Tampa

    June 3, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    That’s our problem. Our scouts are rock legends.

  113. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Wow, dontrelle battled and got out of it, 0 runs.

    4ip, 2h, 5bb, 3k, 70 pitches, 37 for strikes.

  114. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 11:15 pm

    Dontrelle’s Mom is talking trash to the airhorn guy.

  115. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Thank you, Dontrelle’s mom

  116. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    “That’s our problem. Our scouts are rock legends.” Well at least that Guitar Hero guy they signed turned out to pitch pretty well, if he can get healthy again…

  117. Chris

    June 3, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    “According to Adam, the scout’s name is Pete, Chris.”

    Well then, hopefully for OUR sake, he is given the ol’ pink slip and he gets hired by Kansas City or Cleveland.

  118. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:17 pm

    HOLY %$^#$%^ PUDGE JUST DREW A LEADOFF WALK

  119. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    That comment about the last Tigers African-American starting pitcher being Earl Wilson was hilarious, although I think Earl was Black during his playing days, but eventually became African-American.
    The thing that struck was that Earl was lifetime 600+ OPS hitter. I think the Tigers were just waiting for an African-American starting pitcher with an OPS above 600.
    Maybe if someone could have conviced the Tigers Carlos Zambrano is African-American then maybe they would have gone after him instead.

  120. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    OK, now that he’s up with nobody on base, NOW Pudge gets all selective about the pitches….

  121. T Smith

    June 3, 2008 at 11:18 pm

    Who wants to play small ball here?

  122. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Dontrelle’s mom puts the “ass” in “class”

  123. T Smith

    June 3, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Oops. Too late. Two strikes.

    And as I type Raburn ropes one to the right field line. I love it when I’m wrong.

  124. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    I almost don’t want to score here just becuase if we do, Leyland is sure to send Dontrelle back out there to try and get him the “W”

  125. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    Actually I think Earl Wilson may have even started playing before he was black or African American, that would have happened mid-60s.

  126. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:22 pm

    ok, now that we’ve scored, I’d like to put up an 8-spot or something so if Leyland sends Willis out there he’s got some breathing room

  127. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:25 pm

    Coleman, good point, I wasn’t going far enough back.

  128. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Not to be ungrateful or anything, but Raburn’s double came without Renteria in scoring position.

  129. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Eveland has forgotten how to pitch all of a sudden

  130. Vince in MN

    June 3, 2008 at 11:26 pm

    Willis was a throw in with Cabrera – just Florida’s way of dumping an unwanted player with a high salary. Maybe they made it conditional that Willis go with Cabrera.

  131. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Just did the minor league wrap. Good rehab news all around

  132. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Wonder when the last time Pudge and Thames walked in the same inning was?

  133. T Smith

    June 3, 2008 at 11:28 pm

    Why does Maggs never have a green light on 3-0?

  134. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    coleman — I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that this is the first time

  135. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    Neal, it’s actually interesting, if you go back even farther, African pops back up. It was feared that African references were being used to make them seem less American, and therefore prejudicing their fight for full citizenship rights.

  136. Chris

    June 3, 2008 at 11:29 pm

    It’s time for Miggy to finally do something big

  137. Vince in MN

    June 3, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Eveland was no great shakes tonight either – threw more balls than strikes.

  138. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:30 pm

    Billfer, great news. Now how about another breakdown on possible roster moves at the end of the month when Fernando and Joel are ready to come up?
    Cruceta – what are the possibilites with him? Any chance he stays with the organization?

  139. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    The A’s are usually very good at this, I predict they are one hit away from turning the game over to relief pitchers they just called up and will soon send down in “concede game save arms” mode

  140. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Hey I was typing that before they made the change I swear

  141. Mike R

    June 3, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    I agree Chris. A .328/.405/.507 vital line for an OPS of .912 in his last 79 PA’s is nothing.

  142. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    sac fly will work, i’ll take the run.

    3-0 tigers

  143. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:34 pm

    Mike, I really think it’s time to stop trying with him.

  144. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Coleman, I had to switch to ESPN gamecast since MLB Gameday froze on me. I read your post and saw that the pitcher for A’s had no picture in Gamecast. How many guys do you think the A’s use like that in a month?

  145. Kevin in Austin

    June 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    T Smith – I’m willing to bet that Maggs’ silence on 3-0 is self-imposed.

  146. David G.

    June 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Renteria is just brutal. Hopefully he’ll have a huge September and October to redeem himself.

  147. Erik in DC

    June 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Is Carlos OK? they’re talking injury delay?

  148. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Cabrera is hitting EXACTLY at the pace he has the last few seasons…in NIGHT games (.329 BA)

    In day games he is hitting .186 (compared to about .350 the last couple of seasons). It could be a statistical oddity, or there could be actual (and therefore fixable) causes for it (vision issues, sleep habits, team pre-game routines, all sorts of things)

  149. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    OK so how long does Jimmuh stick with Willis to try and get him the “W”?

  150. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Willis out, Armando in

  151. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Neal – So much can change between now and when they are ready. With Willis limping around Bautista may be taking his spot. After that who knows. Jones and Miner are safe, and Seay probably is as well. Lopez needs to get back to throwing strikes. Dolsi would likely be out due to options.

  152. Kevin in Austin

    June 3, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    This isn’t soccer Suzuki…

  153. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 3, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    We got a guy with an airhorn that won’t quit. Now I’m hearing a referee whistle every 10 seconds. Is that bongos too?? Let’s just get a cow bell out there and finish this thing.

  154. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    hooray, Leyland made the right move pulling Willis.

    However, I worry this may be a foreign experience for Galarraga, I hope he gets settled in quick.

  155. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    Does Armando think he has to pitch like D-train if he replaces him?

  156. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:42 pm

    I’m not sure how often they do it, although I like the idea of keeping track of them by picture/no picture…and there is seldom any fuss about ooh they brought up so and so…of course Oakland could call up about anyone short of Rickey Henderson and nobody would notice much. You may remember the trick used to be the DL–guy pitches, you put him on the DL, take another guy off the DL, use him, etc, but the league cracked down at some point, although I’m foggy about if they changed rules or said “hey, cut it out!” or what.

  157. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    To be fair, it looks like Armando’s getting squeezed a bit on the strike zone

  158. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:45 pm

    I don’t know Dave, Armando is all over the place with some of these pitches.

    EDIT: that 1-1 pitch to Crosby was a strike, but called a ball, I agree.

  159. Dave BW

    June 3, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Indeed, but some of the calls have been… questionable

  160. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    The A’s have 5 guys who have pitched less than 10 innings; the Tigers have 3.

  161. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Sorry, Tigers have 2, Dontrelle was one of them.

  162. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Thanks, Billfer. I’m in SD and catch the games on MLB gamecast when I can. The blog is great.

  163. Vince in MN

    June 3, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Is this just one of those games or is the strike zone really tiny? – 14 BBs and we’re ot out of the 5th inning yet.

  164. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Galarraga has done this his last couple starts in the first inning. He’s all over the place.

  165. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 11:49 pm

    Vince – it was pretty big the first 2 innings, and then it shrunk in the 3rd for both teams.

  166. Adam

    June 3, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Now Gallaraga has control problems? WTF?!

  167. billfer

    June 3, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Thanks Neal.

  168. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    SD as in South Dakota? or as in San Diego? If S. Dakota, do they black out the Twins and Rockies?

  169. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    Oh sorry you said gamecast not mlb.tv; the reason I asked is from horror stories about the blackout policy for people who live in places like Las Vegas.

  170. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Why would you have 5 guys on the roster who haven’t thrown more than 10 innings. Do the starters for the A’s consistently go that deep? Or, really, do the A’s just bring up guys to see if they will work out, or show them to other scouts, etc., etc.

  171. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Armando likes the slider with two strikes.

  172. greg

    June 3, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    Some have to learn the hard way not to walk people.

  173. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    oh man. Armando has only himself to blame.

    Chavez takes him out, 3-3 game.

  174. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    That’s dude’s first RBI of the season too

  175. Neal

    June 3, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    San Diego, I’m usually at work at Game times, so no tube.

  176. Mike R

    June 3, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Neal, the A’s have that many guys with so few innings due to injuries. Something like 15 guys have hit the DL for them I think?

  177. Coleman

    June 3, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    I’m in SF area, and I think I just felt my 2nd earthquake of the evening. (And no, that isn’t some reference to a Cabrera hit and run)

  178. Mark in Chicago

    June 3, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    seriously, the dood with the horn needs to knock it off.

  179. Brian in Tampa

    June 3, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    That’s the way to answer with a wimper.

  180. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Wow, maybe Moneyball should be more interested in the Athleticism of guys, maybe more scouting report emphasis. Just kidding. (yes, I know it doesn’t equate to staying healty).

  181. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:01 am

    I hope Armando can settle down. Tell me when he’s out of the inning.

  182. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:01 am

    A first pitch strike would be nice.

  183. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:04 am

    My point was they seem to bring up some guys as cheap hired help–these guys aren’t prospects.

  184. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Coleman – what did you eat for dinner?

  185. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:06 am

    Pizza. Although I wouldn’t turn down some Austin barbeque

  186. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Strange move by the A’s going with a lefty with no lefties due up for the Tigers until Granderson bats again.

  187. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:08 am

    …Did Rod Allen really just try to quote Mario Impemba and turn the word “delve” into “dwelve”?

  188. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Coleman, you’re probably right. Look, a pitcher with a picture.
    I thought it was really funny earlier in the year when I checked the score on a game, , and both the pitcher and hitter pictures were guys in Tigers hats. I think it was Marlins-Braves, Infante and Miller.

  189. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:11 am

    I have to wonder how the 5th inning would have turned out if Leyland had sent Willis back out there.

  190. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:13 am

    To dwelve is to delve into something you’re dwelling upon.

  191. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:13 am

    that was a really close pitch, but he has been pretty consistent with that call.

    2 on, 1 out.

    NOW is a good time for a big hit from Miggy

  192. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:14 am

    does that mean you do it twelve times?

  193. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:14 am

    Sean’s back. Or is it to think about housing?

  194. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Neal, no Topps baseball card type airbrushing out the “D” on one of the hats? You’d think at least a quick photoshop job…another walk though and this Embree’s gonna wish there was no pic of him up….

  195. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Well, Mark, everyone was crying not to let Willis back in for the 5th. I blame you guys.

  196. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:15 am

    To dwelve is to think about building a dozen dwellings.

  197. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:16 am

    It’s about time. Make all those walks pay.

  198. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Attaboy Carlos

  199. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 12:16 am

    Rallybuster Renteria.

  200. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Hah! Nice hitting!

  201. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:17 am

    terrible 0-2 pitch by embree and the Tigers have the lead back!

    still loaded, 1 out. Renteria preparing to ground into a 6-4-3 DP

  202. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:17 am

    “does that mean you do it twelve times?”

    Only if it involves elves.

  203. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Renteria is actually 2nd on the team in Sac Flies, hint hint

  204. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Not bad, Neal.

    We got the lead back? Yeah.

  205. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 12:19 am

    He’s is Goddamn terrible.

  206. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Good call Mark.

  207. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Renteria is quickly earning the role of whipping boy. Back to back failing to come thru

  208. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Since there’s no drunk Joe Namath, I’ll say it:

    Edgar Renteria is strugg-a-ling.

  209. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:20 am

    Ooh somebody called that one…

  210. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 12:21 am

    Good old station to station baseball – exciting stuff.

  211. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:21 am

    welcome back, sean.

    you’re probably right, it’s all my fault since i was probably the most vocal. this is why i’m not a manager.

    edgar grounds into the FIVE-4-3 DP, I really hate it when i’m wrong.

  212. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:22 am

    Coleman, that’s not fair. I wanted to be the guy who could rattle off stats like that at the drop of a hat. I was keeping spreadsheets and everything, Drat. What went wrong?

  213. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:22 am

    I guess no Inge for defense, this would have been the spot. Carlos has done well tonight though actually.

  214. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:23 am

    I wonder if Jair Jurrjens could have run that one out?

  215. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    It’s just that Leyland can’t find Sheffield.

  216. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Can we please start to look for anyone that can actually field at SS. I mean, if the SS can’t hit, why not at least have glove out there.
    I know I’m probably way premature on this, but Renteria doesn’t seem to progressing at all either at the plate or in field, maybe even regressing in each area even from the beginning of the year.

  217. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Well stats can’t actually predict anything that’s gonna happen. Renteria’s stats are odd anyway. He gets like 6 RBI in game, then goes a week without any. But it all averages out.

  218. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:25 am

    Hey, Bill, doesn’t Fossum throw an eephus pitch?

  219. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:26 am

    “It’s just that Leyland can’t find Sheffield.” Wow good catch. It would be funnier if I wasn’t suddenly worried it could actually happen…

  220. ron

    June 4, 2008 at 12:26 am

    Tigers need Dumars.

  221. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:27 am

    “I wonder if Jair Jurrjens could have run that one out?”

    I know that would be hilarious if I was actually seeing the game. Tell me later.

  222. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:27 am

    Inge is only available in emergencies, he has a tweaked oblique

    insert similar rhyming injuries here….

  223. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:28 am

    My feeling is that Renteria is a very streaky player. The problem is, those streaks are lengthy and can be a season long. (See time in Boston vs. time is Atlanta)

  224. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:29 am

    Sean’s the poet let’s see if he can get “tweaked oblique” and “jair jurrjens” into the same poem

  225. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Not seeing Inge hit because of a bad oblique gives my eyes a night of relief.

    …I promise to never try to do that again.

  226. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:30 am

    I don’t see any reason why Leyland wouldn’t let Galarraga pitch the 8th and 9th innings so he can get a win, hold and save in the same night and then retire directly into the Hall of Fame.

    I’m sure that’s what Jimmuh’s thinking.

  227. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:30 am

    Coleman – I pay attention. I see all, sorta like that all-seeing eye in the pyramid on a dollar bill. Or something. Too bad I can’t put the all-seeing eye to work on an actual Tigers game in progress. Am I gonna have to start going to bars or what?

  228. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:31 am

    As soon as Sheff gets healthly (2010?), he could start at SS.
    Guillen evidently played outfield (not at MLB level) before going to the infield. Sheff starting out as a SS. He’s old, slow, injuried, not much of fielder, and may have arm accuracy issues, seems like he would fit the Leyland mold to play in this infield.

  229. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:31 am

    Mike

    Fossum does throw an eephus pitch. I’ve seen it when he pitched here in Tampa.

  230. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:32 am

    Apparently Pudge is in little league swinging at pitches a foot over his head.

    Goodness I’ll be glad when he’s gone. I’m sorry, he’s my whipping boy.

  231. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Woo, Mark!

  232. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:33 am

    Brian, thanks. I thought he did but wasn’t 100% sure. That’s the bonus of him being up — I get to see the Eephus from a Tiger pitcher.

  233. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Any combination of three more walks or singles and we’ll have that all-important insurance run.

  234. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:34 am

    Sorry, Coleman. I can barely spell Jurjjens, let alone pronounce it. Otherwise, I’d try.

  235. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:34 am

    I think that billfer set up a paypal account so we can all chip in and get Sean C. a broadband connection. I mean, he’s been hinting at it for weeks ;-)

  236. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:34 am

    I forgot about that eye on the dollar bill, thanks a lot, now I don’t feel comfortable with money in my pocket.

    Another run here would be huge…

  237. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:35 am

    1 single down, 2 more to go, Vince!

  238. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Am I imagining or did Frank Tanana throw an eephus or two?

  239. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:36 am

    Wow and the two non-leadfoot runners on base too!

  240. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Mark, my woo was for the Leyland comment. Neal just raised you for biting sarcasm, though.

  241. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:37 am

    Oh for the love of Johnny Grubb

  242. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:38 am

    wow, looks like Clete might have been safe. As it stands he should have gotten a better jump than that, they had Polly shaded to right field.

  243. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:39 am

    I’m going to go on record right now:

    Fossum should not come into this game by default. Galarraga is settling in. Let him pitch.

  244. billfer

    June 4, 2008 at 12:40 am

    I don’t mind them sending the runner there. Clete actually got his hand in I think.

    But Thomas as a pinch runner I’m not a fan of. He’s been very tentative on the base paths.

  245. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Yeah, that’s a pretty snarky comment from Neal re: Sheff at short.

    Well done sir.

  246. billfer

    June 4, 2008 at 12:41 am

    T Smith – If it wasn’t Cust and Chavez up next I’d agree completely.

  247. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:41 am

    I agree with you, T, although I don’t know what lefties Oakland has coming up, if any. I tihnk Fossum is very tough on lefties.

  248. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:42 am

    I wouldn’t mind Galarraga back in either…plus that would be 5 innings, a quality start…sort of….

    That’s an interesting observation about Clete, since he doesn’t seem tentative in general. Odd.

  249. billfer

    June 4, 2008 at 12:42 am

    Fossum hit 91?

  250. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Mark – You’ll all have to chip in to relocate me while you’re at it. The price of rural splendor – no broadband available. Satellite, maybe. But I think I owe Billfer a “beer” or two before anyone starts taking up collections for ME.

    Also, armed with broadband… well, try not to think about it. Isn’t it bad enough already?

  251. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    This is what happens when you abandon your game plan – they should have held Thomas at 3rd and waited for another BB.

  252. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Billfer on the record going for the lefty on lefty matchup.

  253. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    So it is possible to throw someone out at home.

    What a throw.

  254. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Something crazy. I went to a spring training game Tigers-Pirates. Fossum gave up the game winning home run while pitching for Pittsburgh. Now he’s with the Tigers.

  255. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    whoa. 91 from Fossum on the first pitch? In Tampa wasn’t he throwing like 85 or am I wrong?

    And I love how surprised Rod is whenever the numbers are put up by whoever is called up. “Whoa! 48 K’s in 11 games!” You’d think that he’d know a little bit about the guys dominating in Triple-A.

  256. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    at the same time, how many times has Leyland played the percentages with matchups only to see it blow up all over the field? It seems like a ton. I wonder if Jimmuh’s gut told him to go with the hot pitcher who’s thrown like 50 pitches?

  257. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Look:

    It might work out okay, but why? Why gamble here? There is nothing wrong with Galarraga’s stuff.

  258. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 12:44 am

    So far, so good in the Billfer managerial era.

  259. billfer

    June 4, 2008 at 12:45 am

    Coleman – it’s a hard thing to judge on TV, but when he was up earlier I was at several games where he wasn’t going first to third and not getting good secondary leads.

  260. billfer

    June 4, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Seeing as he already gave up a homer to Chavez, I’m okay with it. If it were a 2 run lead I’d say leave him in, but I’m okay going to Fossum in that situation.

    You say it’s a gamble to go with Fossum, I’d say it’s a gamble to stick with the Cat.

  261. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:47 am

    “So it is possible to throw someone out at home.” So it seems! (although a helpful ump is useful in doing so)

  262. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Fossum is on ‘roids.

    Steroids, that is. Carlos has the market cornered on the other kind. hey-yo!!! (that’s actually my first carlos/h-roids joke. I can’t believe I held out this long… it’s not even that good of a joke, oh well.)

  263. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Tigers will lose…. They always lose close games

  264. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:48 am

    Yeah Oakland as usual is stocked with lefties I gotta backtrack and say Fossum was the right call here.

  265. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:49 am

    Let’s just hope Miner comes thru. These late inning one run leads are not enjoyable for me.

  266. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:49 am

    I am still absolutely stunned that Casey Fossum hit 91 on the gun. Couple that with Ivan Rodriguez blocking a ball in the dirt at a semi-crucial point earlier tonight and I’m starting to question the functions of time and space.

  267. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:50 am

    Now as to Miner (with about 100 lefthanders after this guy)….??

  268. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:50 am

    oh goodness. come on, Miner. throw strikes, man.

  269. Dylan

    June 4, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Wow Pudge…

  270. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:51 am

    Annnnnnnddddddd there’s the Ivan Rodriguez I’ve come to know! No need to catch, hang onto, or block a ball with the game on the line. Atta Boy!

  271. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:51 am

    I can’t believe Pudge doesn’t catch that. Then again stop walking people please.

  272. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:52 am

    ugh, killer.

    clete’s got a gun and pudge can’t hold on.

  273. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 12:52 am

    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME PUDGE. Wow. I can’t think of what else to say. Freaking wow.

  274. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 12:53 am

    This season is nothing less than comical. I guess I start cheering for the Street Save for my fantasy team. Ridiculous. I’ve honestly never seen anything like it in 30+ years of sports fandom and there is a LOT of material there. I don’t know how Rod and Mario do it every night/day.

  275. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Why bring in Fossum for the lefties if you have L-L-L-R-L-L-L coming up, then take him out for the one right hander (who Miner walks), and get left with Miner facing all Lefties? or am I missing something?

  276. Jeff

    June 4, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Miner has been afraid of his own stuff since forever. He continually falls behind on counts. Then he walks guys or has to come in with pitches that are easy to hit. This has been obvious for almost two years now (after his deceptive first time around the league as a starter).

    There was no reason to pull Galarraga in the first place. I’d rather have a starter in his 4th inning throwing his 51st pitch than a mediocre couple relief pitches in their first inning. Just because the inning sign says “8″ doesn’t mean you have to go to the pen.

  277. Dylan

    June 4, 2008 at 12:54 am

    CURTIS GRANDERSON MAKING PLAYS

  278. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 12:54 am

    That’s how you catch the ball Pudge.

  279. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:54 am

    what a play by granderson.

    i mean, wow.

  280. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 12:55 am

    I feel bad b/c I’m not excited about Grandy’s catch, as I’m still disgusted with Pudge’s lack of one.

  281. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 12:55 am

    It’s the ubiquitious 8th inning meltdown.

  282. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Although Miner will eventually get back to some right handed hitters it appears….@!!!##!

  283. greg

    June 4, 2008 at 12:56 am

    One of the best OF in the game…..curtis

  284. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Coleman:

    It’s known as the genius of Jim Leyland.

  285. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Curtis Granderson is out of his mind. Holy wow.

  286. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 12:57 am

    Well, we got the Big Guys coming up, that’s supposed to be how you want it…

  287. Chris in Nashville

    June 4, 2008 at 12:57 am

    That was an UNREAL play by Grandy….BUT, that was HORRIBLE baserunning on Brown’s part. The play is to go the bag there either way….even if Granderson doensn’t make that catch, he’d score either way. I doubt he gets up and throws him out…though he did get it in pretty quick. Clete made a great throw after making an equally bad baserunning play.

  288. Forty

    June 4, 2008 at 12:58 am

    curbitis grandslammercatch

  289. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 12:58 am

    well, we lucked out that we’re not down by a run, but we got some bad breaks mixed in with our own mistakes to be tied.

    Oakland dind’t hit a ball hard all inning, Clete may have been safe at home and then made a perfect throw home that for some reason pudge couldn’t catch, and Miner walked his first hitter to put the tying run in scoring position. That’s how you lose games.

    Fortunately, we have Granderson on our team, otherwise this game is over.

  290. greg

    June 4, 2008 at 12:58 am

    I’m not mad at Pudge, he’s human, everyone makes mistakes.

    I bet you he smokes a line drive in his next AB.

  291. ron

    June 4, 2008 at 12:59 am

    Pudge didn’t want to get his dress dirty.

  292. Forty

    June 4, 2008 at 12:59 am

    i guess magglio just can’t hit huston street…:)

  293. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 12:59 am

    http://www.adamholwerda.com/image/safe.jpg

    The Clete Thomas play. I say he was safe.

  294. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 1:00 am

    What’s the ratio of steps covered by Grandy and by Maggs on that last play? I say at LEAST 2:1. Grandy makes that catch in shallow right field.

  295. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:00 am

    What is going on? Fossum, then Miner? In the 8th? Huh? What?

    Leyland needs a Public Defender. Volunteers?

  296. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:01 am

    I thought he had one…

  297. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Adam, I think you’re right, but it’s so hard to tell. The closest angle the A’s tv guys showed had the umpire directly in the way, so you couldn’t see the plate.

  298. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Honestly, we should be happy that Ivan Rodriguez even got in front of the Clete Thomas throw. I mean, any other ball that touches the ground he never gets in front of.

  299. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Maybe Fieger will help him out since his legal issues seem to be behind him.

  300. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:03 am

    Deja Vu coming up. Bring out the losing pitcher du jour.

  301. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:04 am

    It looks like he’s safe probably in the pic, but it also looks like the ump is looking right at the play, and Clete is looking up at the ump (am I safe??) which makes him seem less safe. Seriously.

  302. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 1:04 am

    Who’s on the block to get DFA’d if the Tigers can’t go to extra innings here?

  303. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:04 am

    I heard they just called Cruceta back, for old times’ sake.

  304. scotsw

    June 4, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Well, the stage is now set for a walk-off walk-in… Just gotta load up the pond.

  305. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Zach attack

  306. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:06 am

    “i guess magglio just can’t hit huston street…:)”

    Ha! Only occasionally.

  307. greg

    June 4, 2008 at 1:06 am

    Sean – I retired from a 1 year term of defending Leyland about a month ago. I’ll never hold that office again.

  308. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:06 am

    The next few guys can all bunt. I’m just saying….

  309. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:07 am

    “because when these bats break, they’re dangerous!”

    This is the hard-hitting analysis you get here on FSN Detroit! No OBP numbers, but boy, I now know that broken bats can be dangerous!

  310. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 1:07 am

    Please note that the Tigers have had 17 baserunners tonight: 14 off of LHP in 5.1 IP and 3 off RHP in 3.2. If Oakland hadn’t goofed by putting in Eveland and Embree, the score would be 4-0, game over and another shutout.

  311. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:07 am

    “I thought he had one…”

    Billfer?

  312. Forty

    June 4, 2008 at 1:08 am

    since when does billy beane bunt?

  313. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 1:09 am

    We’re only paying him Pudge the league minimum, right? And it wasn’t an team option to keep an old catcher who never had high OBA, but had lost his high BA and his power, not to mention diminishing defensive skills.
    A keeper, at what, only $13 million.

  314. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:10 am

    man, these midweek games threads are routinely over 250 posts now. plenty of great jokes, fascinating insights, and good old fashioned chemistry.

    and, soon enough, another walk-off loss…

  315. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Nice pitch, Miner.

  316. greg

    June 4, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Forty – whenever he sees there’s no 3B on the field.

    ;-)

  317. Forty

    June 4, 2008 at 1:10 am

    but neal, he manages the staff so well. he’s practically been a father to justin verlander this year.

  318. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:11 am

    “Who’s on the block to get DFA’d if the Tigers can’t go to extra innings here?”

    Leyland?

    Greg, I don’t blame you. I tried working for that office as a part-time paralegal. Didn’t work out.

  319. Forty

    June 4, 2008 at 1:11 am

    ha i hear u greg

  320. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 1:13 am

    Come on Renteria, impress me.

  321. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Renteria might bunt for a hit. And I might get out and run 7 miles tomorrow to work off the taco bell cheesy double beef burritos that are destroying my intestinal system since they went on the value meal.

  322. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:16 am

    “since when does billy beane bunt?” Oakland has 21 bunts AB so far (Detroit has 18). Beane isn’t big on the SACRIFICE bunt, but bunting for hits is fair game…and if you look at the Detroit corner infielders…

  323. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:16 am

    Wow. A hit by Pudge. Still will need a HR to do any good though.

  324. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:17 am

    “taco bell cheesy double beef burritos that are destroying my intestinal system since they went on the value meal.” Sounds like you might have a bit of renteria yourself.

  325. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:17 am

    well whoever called the pudge base hit nailed it.

    nice work, can we get a run, please?

  326. greg

    June 4, 2008 at 1:18 am

    This Oakland crowd has to rank as one of the more lifeless major league crowds I’ve ever seen.

  327. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Come on Grandy

  328. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 1:18 am

    The best thing Pudge could have done in a fatherly way would have been to tell Joel to hire some kids to help his dad move boxes. That would have been worth the option.

  329. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Curtis, you feel like stealing the show offensively, too?

  330. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Can we call you Taco Bell Miguel?

  331. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:19 am

    C’mon, Catching Ball Guy, knock in Dropping Ball Guy!

  332. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 1:19 am

    Any combination of two more singles or walks (well maybe three if they get another runner thrown out) and we can take the lead. Please Jim, don’t try to take that extra base.

  333. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 1:20 am

    OK at least we don’t have to worry about the DP

  334. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Let’s go Polly.

  335. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Polly is the guy you want in this spot.

  336. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:20 am

    Super.

  337. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:21 am

    “OK at least we don’t have to worry about the DP” True Vince, since he’s on 3rd.

  338. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Oh no! Do we even HAVE another pitcher?

  339. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:22 am

    oh man, Gaudin hung a slider and Polly missed it.

    damn

  340. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:22 am

    Sounds like you might have a bit of renteria yourself.

    Holy crap, Coleman. That is outstanding. Billfer may not make that the post of the night, but that’s my leader in the clubhouse.

  341. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:22 am

    So, what now? More Zach Attack? Roller Coaster?

  342. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:23 am

    I want Daniel Day Lewis to play Leyland in the movie version.

  343. Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 1:23 am

    Gotta go, hope they make it, at least no one can get a high sticking penalty in extra innings. Sean, Coleman, and the rest, till next time.

  344. Vince in MN

    June 4, 2008 at 1:24 am

    Coleman:

    There were also two outs.

  345. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:24 am

    “Holy crap” Nice addition there too Mike R

  346. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:24 am

    C’mon, Catching Ball Guy, knock in Dropping Ball Guy!

    Gold.

  347. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:24 am

    that is the weirdest bat-breaking sound i’ve ever heard.

    it sounded like he hit it with a bamboo rod.

  348. Forty

    June 4, 2008 at 1:26 am

    i think they should have penalized the pens for having their guy bleed on our stick

  349. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:26 am

    “There were also two outs.” Yeah, I’m a tad overboard today in my Pudge aversion

  350. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:28 am

    Do you Seay what I Seay?

  351. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Coleman,

    Pudge sucks, we know this. No shame in shredding him mercilessly. No such thing as overboard.

  352. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:31 am

    Man, I’m sure glad that Neal guy took off. I think he’s bad luck for the Tigers.

    What do you mean, he’ll be able to read this tomorrow? Shut up.

  353. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:32 am

    leadoff doubles are good. maybe we can actually score a run now with 4-5-6 coming up.

    think Jimmuh will have Maggs bunting?

  354. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:33 am

    God, I can’t believe I’m still up. The wife has been asleep for 3 hours, and the alarm is set for 6 AM.

  355. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:34 am

    I’ll say something nice about Pudge–I don’t mind him one bit on the basepaths. He’s about the only guy (besides Sheffield, when he used to be on the basepaths sometimes, and sometimes Inge) you see go in to 2nd HARD on a double-play ball; he’s aggressive and rarely foolish; etc. Now if he could just catch the ball, and hit the ball…

  356. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Cue up Chris coming in and calling for Miggy to be cut/dealt/deported.

  357. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:36 am

    Come on lead off double and he’s going to get stranded. This is just plain horrible.

  358. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:36 am

    ugh, killer strike out by miggy. that hurts.

  359. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:36 am

    Brian, my alarm is set for 5:30. Guess who’s going to be late?

  360. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:37 am

    Jeez, this inning is giving ME some Renteria.

  361. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:37 am

    Renteria can make his miserable night all better by simply getting a base hit.

    He’s done it before. Lots of times, in fact.

    Come ON, man…

  362. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Sean

    I say you and me. I’m my own boss, but I’m still going to be late. Oh well.

  363. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Uh. I’m watching on Gameday. So, why didn’t Thames score?

  364. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:38 am

    sadly, our best hope is probably for Gaudin to bounce one to the backstop…

  365. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Wow sometimes I forget–I mean I’m on the West Coast, Brian in Tampas wife went to bed 3 hours ago, which here is like now…well, you know what I mean. They should fix this time zone thing…

  366. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:39 am

    Adam

    Because the Tigers suck with runners in scoring position.

  367. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:40 am

    And somewhere Gorkys and Jair are laughing. I seriously hate Renteria, what a flat-out bust.

  368. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:40 am

    the ball bounced like 4 feet away from suzuki, adam. no chance for thames to score.

  369. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:41 am

    Unfortunately for Cabrera, these are the ABs that Detroit fans are going to remember until he makes them forget. Same with Renteria, in a way. They’re under the microscope.

  370. Mark in Chicago

    June 4, 2008 at 1:41 am

    yeah, it’s 12:40 here and i’ve got to quit for the night. later all, thanks for making tonight a blast!

  371. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:41 am

    This inning is giving me some Renteria. Oh man. That is golden. hahah.

  372. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:41 am

    This strikezone is flat out putrid.

  373. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:42 am

    Bunt, single, ballgame, book it.

  374. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 1:42 am

    “Cue up Chris coming in and calling for Miggy to be cut/dealt/deported.”

    Now do you agree that the guy just sucks…. No clutch hitting.

    And Rentarea is was the worst trade of the year. just awful.

  375. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Haha, no Chris. I do not agree that he sucks at all.

  376. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:45 am

    why not walk him with Seay before brining in Dolsi?

  377. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:45 am

    Dolsi comin’ up. I like that kid.

  378. Dylan

    June 4, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Got him at second. Heads up play Edgar. TERRIBLE TRADE!. LOL. Watch us give up a 2 run dinger right here now.

  379. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Good play by Renteria, he needed one.

  380. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:49 am

    Yeah, I like Dolsi, too.

    I’ve reached the end of my endurance. Please let them win. The Tigers, I mean.

  381. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 1:49 am

    What was Renteria thinking? I think you gotta get the sure out there…sounds like the Umps bailed him out.

  382. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:52 am

    And…..Mark Ellis/Bobby Crosby have the opportunity to burn the Tigers again….

  383. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Inge gets that one, obliquely even

  384. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:53 am

    Wow. Grandy didn’t even make top ten. I think we’re getting blackballed by ESPN.

    Inge’s sliding grab didn’t get on, neither did Grandy’s catch from the other night.

    Buttheads.

  385. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:54 am

    We’ve all seen this script before, revel in it.

  386. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 1:54 am

    Tigers are now 2-9 in games won by one run

    EDITED BY BILLFER: Actually they are 4-10.

  387. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:55 am

    hey if you’re gonna lose, do it in style, with the grandslammer, none of this weak walk in the run stuff

  388. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:55 am

    This is flat out painful.

  389. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:56 am

    “This much we do know: He’ll have to throw strikes to Jack Cust.”

    Who knew that when you’re pitching on the road and the bases are loaded in extra innings that you had to throw that hitter strikes?!

  390. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:57 am

    Whatever

  391. David G.

    June 4, 2008 at 1:57 am

    They find a different way every night.

  392. Brian in Tampa

    June 4, 2008 at 1:57 am

    I’m out. GO WINGS!!

  393. Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Yeah whatevs. I just hate giving up back-to-back walk-off wins to teams. Like, we did that to the Angels. WTF?!

  394. Dylan

    June 4, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Geez. What other kind of ways can we lose. This has been a rough road trip.

  395. Coleman

    June 4, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Who knew that Jack Cust could outrun anybody to first?

  396. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 1:59 am

    haha. Oh man, you cannot script these endings. You just can’t! I’m waiting for the walk-off balk.

  397. Kevin in Austin

    June 4, 2008 at 1:59 am

    Another day, another loss. Anyone else up for more masochism tomorrow?

  398. Dylan

    June 4, 2008 at 2:00 am

    First infield single all year. Sheesh.

  399. ron

    June 4, 2008 at 2:03 am

    Can the Wings please win tomorrow. This Tiger team is unbelievably inept.

  400. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 2:04 am

    This team #@$%&^ SUCKS

    Rentarea #@$%&^ SUCKS

    Dombrowski is an idiot for making that rotten trade

  401. Ken from Cincinnati

    June 4, 2008 at 2:09 am

    I’m absolutely sick of this crap. We’re getting beat up by lineups with Jack Cust as their superstar. It’s unbearably sad. Every little thing goes their way. Nothing clicks, no clutch hitting, no mojo, no karma, no calls, no balls.

  402. ron

    June 4, 2008 at 2:09 am

    Didn’t Leyland say he would take care of the pitchers fielding and covering first base problems after the 2006 WS fiasco?

  403. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 2:12 am

    Top 4th, man on 1st, 1 out:
    E. Renteria grounded into double play
    END OF INNING

    Top 5th, bases loaded, 2 out:
    E. Renteria grounded out to third
    END OF INNING

    Top 7th, bases loaded, 1 out
    E. Renteria grounded into double play
    END OF INNING

    Top 11th, men in 2nd & 3rd, 2 out
    E. Renteria lined out to shortstop
    END OF INNING

    Hopefully, one day soon I’ll read, “Rentarea: END OF CAREER”

  404. Chris in Nashville

    June 4, 2008 at 2:19 am

    Anyone who blames Magglio for this doesn’t know what they are talking about and should stop commenting so much on this site. This team is simply not making plays. No productive outs, no situational hitting, poor baserunning, terrible defense (aside from Granderson who has been SPECTACULAR out there) and a bullpen that is finally getting exposed for being what it truly is, terrible. The starting pitching has been pretty good the past few weeks and this team is INVENTING ways to waste these quality starts. It’s been horrible to watch. I keep thinking they can turn it around, and only being 7 1/2 out in June doesn’t qualify as being out of it, but I’m starting to think this mix of talent will never put it together. I hope I’m wrong.

  405. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 2:22 am

    We did not lose this game because of poor relief pitching. We lost this game because of Edgar Rentarea’s horrible, rally-killing batting.

    I WANT HIM OFF OF THIS TEAM, ASAP!!!!!

    hopefully, when the trade deadline comes around, and the Tigers are way out of contention, They will trade that piece of crap for whatever they can get…..

  406. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 2:24 am

    Chris, you could at least spell his name correctly if you’re going to complain.

  407. Chris in Nashville

    June 4, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Really? I seem to remember the Tigers being up 4-3 in the 8th inning and they lost the game. Were they terrible tonight? Not terrible, but they didn’t get the job done and they haven’t for the past few weeks.

  408. Mike R

    June 4, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Well, it stays 4-3 I believe if Ivan Rodriguez catches a juicy 1 hopper with Chavez still 15+ feet away from him.

  409. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 3:54 am

    “Chris, you could at least spell his name correctly if you’re going to complain.”

    Renta-Rally killer

    Renta-Rangeless Shortstop

    Renta-Retarded player

    Any way you want to spell it, he is a crappy player and I hope the Tigers leave him there in Oakland

  410. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 9:17 am

    My, what a brutal night for Renteria. I didn’t know it was quite that bad.

    Could someone please tell me why Ramon Santiago doesn’t play more? Could he get a little bit more time at SS, maybe? Not to teach Renteria any “lessons” – I don’t buy that theory – but simply to give the backup the occasional chance when the regular isn’t getting it done. Especially when the backup has gotten it done when given the chance.

    I’m learning to strongly dislike what Leyland is doing with this team.

  411. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 9:30 am

    The “a” in place of “e” thing seems to be a consistent problem he’s having, Mike.

  412. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 9:33 am

    Sean, easily the best part of the whole night was Fossum’s strikeout. He changes speeds like crazy, is hitting the 90′s with his fastball, and plants almost everything in the strikezone. He got a called strike three on Cust with an eephus.

  413. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 9:37 am

    It’s suddenly clear why we have to cling to the hope of Rodney and Zumaya returning.

    It’s suddenly clear why we have to cling to the hope of Rapada and Bautista returning.

    It’s suddenly clear why we have to cling to the hope of two as yet unknown relievers joining the team.

  414. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 9:41 am

    Thanks, Dave. Good news I can use. Why in the world did they take Fossum out (after only 2 batters?)? As explained during the game here, it seemed to be short-sighted.

    Any chance they might have their eye on Fossum as a starter not so far down the road?

  415. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 9:47 am

    “The “a” in place of “e” thing seems to be a consistent problem he’s having, Mike.”

    I see it as more of a trademark. Renteria with no “i” – must be Chris. Very distinctive. I can see the advantage in reducing different letters from 6 to 5 and skipping the jarring, flow-disrupting move three keys over to the right.

  416. cib

    June 4, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Oh man. I started watching the game, dozed off, woke up when the As tied it, decided to turn it off and go to sleep. Just read all of the posts, you were great, guys, thanks

    I can’t believe I am “saying” this out loud, but except for Curtis Granderson and Brandon Inge (at 3d always and at the plate sometimes) I am really getting to hate this team. Instead of being excited and anticipating what will happen with each play, I just cringe. I can’t even stand to look at the TV when Willis is pitching, all that movement makes me nervous. Nobody they’ve traded for has fit in. Maybe the government was trying to help the Tigers when they wouldn’t let Cruceta in the country for so long. I don’t know what else to say, just so so discouraged and I miss my 2007 Tigers. At least they tried as a team.

  417. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Remember, there’s no “I” in team. Or in Renteria. And perhaps soon, no Renteria in team, either.

  418. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 9:57 am

    We’re all discouraged, cib. I’m starting to see DTW as a kind of support group. People on the outside don’t understand the shame and horror of being a Tigers fan. It’s not like I chose to be born in Michigan.

  419. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Sean: At least you were born in Michigan. I wasn’t – I actually *chose* to be a Tigers fan at an early age. I must be a glutton for punishment.

  420. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 10:00 am

    Billfer, you did the right thing by reading about the loss in the morning. Nothing is worse than a kick-in-the-groin loss than a kick-in-the-groin loss trying to function at work the next day with four hours sleep.

    Just to expand somewhat on my earlier questioning of pulling Galarraga after he settled in:

    I understand the reasoning that you want Fossum to face the two scheduled lefties… but what about the remaining seven outs? (In this case, the remaing thirteen?) I still would have stuck with Galarraga through eight and maybe even thru nine if he continued to deal. Not sure what his pitches were at — 30 maybe 40? In any case — this wasn’t about pitch count — I was looking at those innings as his third and forth and fifth innings — instead of bullpen innings.

    On top of this:

    Fossum looked good, but I personally wasn’t expecting him to look dominant — if so, why would he be in Toledo to begin with with Rapada on the DL and the bullpen a mess? But even if you successfully burn through your lefty specialist there what about the remaining and oh-so-elusive seven outs? That’s the issue here. You’re really running the gauntlet employing this strategy with Miner et. al.

    The whole team took a huge dump in terms of not cashing in on key opportunities — but it would have been nice for once — just once — if the pitching could have picked up the slack. If the pitching were managed right — I’m looking through my crystal ball here and it’s telling me if Galarraga goes the distance (save for the shot in the seats before he settled in, it wasn’t like the As were hitting him hard) — the Tigers win this game 4-3. But here again is yet another win in some alternate universe that’s nothing but a heartbreaking L in ours.

  421. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 10:04 am

    “The whole team took a huge dump in terms of not cashing in on key opportunities”

    You may as well just copy and paste that into every game thread this year. They are unbelievable bad in that department. Part of me thinks that will “regress to the mean” as they say (i.e. they’ve had bad luck), and the other part of me thinks they just suck.

  422. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 10:07 am

    Sean, Fossum was taken out due to over-management. There was a right-handed batter up, you see.

    Anyway, I don’t think he will always pitch well, but at least he was fun to watch.

  423. tiff

    June 4, 2008 at 10:08 am

    Didn’t watch the game either. Fossum pitched? Nice. I also heard both Zumaya and Rodney had strong rehab innings. Biting my tongue until the all-star break.

    And I got a vote on a comment! Yes!

    Also – 400plus comments… must’ve been a painful one. The good wins never get that many comments.

  424. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 10:09 am

    Chris: What you have to understand is that no one “chooses” to be a Tigers fan. You need to let go of the guilt and shame, everything they taught you to feel. We can help you. Many people in the program go on to live semi-independent lives where they can and do, believe it or not, break away from late West Coast games when it’s sure to ruin them for work the next day.

  425. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 10:10 am

    Chris in Dallas: I sympathize, having *chosen* to be both a Royals and Marlins fan. Why do we do this to ourselves?

  426. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Good post, T Smith. I was hoping you’d expand on what you mentioned in this respect during the game.

    Of course you got a vote, tiff. That was a succinct comment on Leyland and his “stuff.”

  427. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 10:21 am

    I realized I should have posted “progress” instead of “regress” in my last blurb there. The Grammar Police paid me a visit. Anyway, with these Tigers I kinda feel like it’s 1982 and I bought a Betamax instead of a VCR. Ripped off.

  428. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Don’t worry, Chris. That Betamax will be worth a lot of money some day.

    Leyland is trying to play 8-tracks in a cassette player and just can’t understand why it’s not working. He’s confused, but he’s gonna try some struff.

  429. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 10:34 am

    And some of his favorites are Gary Sheffield’s “The Way We Were,” Carlos Guillen’s “Bend Me, Shape Me,”, Edgar Renteria’s “Concerto in E Flat,” and Dontrelle Willis’s “Ain’t Misbehavin’.”

  430. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 10:36 am

    You see, Sean, that 8-track is a veteran. It’s been through the battles and it knows how to get it done. JL has the utmost confidence that it will play Foghat once again, so he’s going to keep going with it.

  431. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 10:41 am

    I know what you’re saying, Chris. The old ways are best. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. And if it is broke, don’t fix it.

    JL and Foghat? That I’d have to see.

  432. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 10:55 am

    Aside from the outcome, the score, and all the details, my prediction for last night’s game was spot-on.

    Magglio did go hitless. I called it!

  433. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 11:06 am

    Sean: It’s funny. I fell asleep when the game was tied, and dreamed that Polanco hit a game winning grand slam. You have invaded my subconcious…

  434. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Oh, and I just read that John Smoltz’s season/possibly career may be over now due to shoulder surgery. What do you think of that Doyle Alexander trade NOW, huh?

  435. ron

    June 4, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Five years ago, the Tigers had forty losses. We’re headed in the right direction.

  436. ron

    June 4, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Magglio will cut his hair as soon as that moustache ripens.

  437. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Chris, that explains it. You stole Polly’s grand slam for your own selfish amusement. And you’re right, the Tigers pulled a fast one on the Braves. A slow fast one. I suspect the same strategy was employed in the Jurjjens deal. Just wait.

    Ron, that’s perspective. What’s going on? You’re usually such a pessimist. You must be high on the Red Wings.

  438. Chris

    June 4, 2008 at 11:28 am

    “What do you think of that Doyle Alexander trade NOW, huh?”

    Now we are forced to wait for Jair Jurrjens & Gorkys Hernadez to end their careers in order to feel better about Renta-Rally killer.

    Hey, his night at the plate wasn’t so bad when you think that there is no way that Jurrjens & Gorkys Hernadez are in the league fifteen years from now.

  439. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 11:46 am

    “Hey, his night at the plate wasn’t so bad when you think that there is no way that Jurrjens & Gorkys Hernadez are in the league fifteen years from now.”

    Exactly.

    But seriously, the trade made sense at the time. Lots of decisions turn out to be regrettable, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they were stupid in the first place. Lack of Renteria (the good kind) is the Tigers’ problem, not lack of Jurjjens and Hernandez.

  440. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    Not to speak ill of current Tigers, but I’m still scratching my noggin over the Renteria deal. I know you’ve got to give something to get something and all, but DD never struck me as the type to give up two twenties for a ten. That said, E-Rent is not the most disappointing Tiger in ’08. He’s just my personal whipping boy. Everyone needs a goat to be scaped.

  441. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    “Not to speak ill of current Tigers,”

    Is this akin to the taboo against speaking ill of the dead?

  442. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Nah I speak ill of the dead all the time. Haven’t you seen some of my comments about Sheffield?

  443. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Chris, I think the Cabreear deal made the Renteria trade look (even) more expensive.

    I want to start calling Caberaa “Mike” just to be annoying. We called Guillermo Hernandez “Willie” and won a World Series. We can go there again, under the strong leadership of Herb Ordonez.

  444. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Hey-oh! You beat me fair and square to the bag on that one, Chris. I was headed there.

  445. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    I think I’ll start calling him ‘Gil’. That’s probably better than the variety of references to his girth that I’ve used. His last name is funny to say in a Masshole accent. Go ahead and try it. “Cabrer-er”. That’s how Jerry Remy says it.

  446. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    Gil. Good first baseman name. I like it. But I think it lacks the implausiblity factor. Gil could be a mispronounced version of “Guill(ermo).” You just know that Mike Cabrera is all wrong. Could we compromise with “Bud”?

    Wait – I’ve got it! Boog Cabrera! Say that, Barbara Walters.

  447. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Renteria’s my whipping boy, too. But I don’t advise going there. Just look at him. A little bit of facial paint and some ivory beads and he looks eerily like a West-African voodoo monger. You don’t want to mess with him.

    And I believe it. I was cursing his bases-loaded DP right about the time an infield hit rendered the forth walk off in eight games, when my TV suddenly jolted some kind of painful electric current violently between my legs. Either that or I completely imagined the pain.

    In any case, thanks for the endorphins, fellas. It’s a good ameliorant for my falsetto.

  448. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:28 pm

    It Really Does Pay To Increase Your Word Power. Wow. Ameliorant for a falsetto. That was like an Eephus pitch.

  449. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    I’ve been defending the Renteria trade, and my criticism of Edgar has been quite moderate, and respectful in tone. I just wanted to put that out there. For the record.

  450. greg

    June 4, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    quote:

    Nothing is worse than a kick-in-the-groin loss than a kick-in-the-groin loss trying to function at work the next day with four hours sleep.

    Classic.

  451. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    I’d be more afraid of Edgar due to the fact that he’s a Colombian. Don’t want to mess with that. He’s got people. Chris in Dallas could end up with the ol’ Colombian necktie…

  452. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    The Ed-GAH R.
    The fine Colombian
    Make tonight a wonderful thing

  453. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:40 pm

    Well, Orlando Cabrera isn’t afraid of him. Much.

  454. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    Sean C:

    I stand witness. You’ve been more than respectful to Renteria.

    You’re safe.

    Chris is Dallas:

    That’s Mr. Renteria, to you.

  455. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Thanks, T. I’d stay and chat, but… well, I’ve got to look out for myself, and… well, frankly, I really can’t be seen with you. Nothing personal.

  456. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    If I had a dime for every time I’ve called him ‘Gonorrhea’ I’d definitely have more than one dime. That whole fued with Orlando Cabrera makes watching Tigers-White Sox games more interesting these days. I root for Renteria to hit doubles vs. Chicago just to see if the two of them will get in a knife fight at the base. Yes, these are the things I think about.

  457. cib

    June 4, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Thank you guys for the best Tiger-related laughs I have had in weeks.

  458. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 2:23 pm

    What are you saying, Chris? You want a dime now for every time you’ve had gonorrhea? You’re jumbled and incoherent. Stop mumbling, boy! Speak up!

  459. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    According to T, Chris, you’re no longer just in Dallas. You ARE Dallas. My, how you’ve grown.

    How does it feel? How’s Debbie? Hey-oh.

  460. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    I’ve gotta say I sympathize with OC on that one (from what I’ve read about it). When someone goes out of their way to put petty crap aside, I say be a man (or a woman) and at least be civil to the man (or woman).

  461. Sean C. in Illinois

    June 4, 2008 at 2:29 pm

    Oops. Um… Billfer?

  462. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Wow. I hadn’t notice that Sean. I AM Dallas, baby. OK we’re approaching game time. I guess now is the time I should point out that ‘Duchscherer’ has the ‘douche’ sound to it. Feel free to use that at your leisure in future game-related posts today. Consider it my gift to you.

  463. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    It’s not a bad idea to fear Renteria — don’t forget that fellow Colombian Ugueth Urbina is now in jail for trying to set five guys on fire. I love that his explanation was that they were trying to break into his house. Oh! Fine then.

  464. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Hmm, on second thought Urbina is Venezuelan. Forget I said anything.

  465. Chris in Dallas

    June 4, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Yeah Uggie is a Venzo. I think he had those guys set on fire becuase they were involved in the kidnapping of his mother, though. Either that or he was curious about what skin smelled like as it was burning. Regardless, he’s not one to be messed with.

  466. T Smith

    June 4, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    Can we get a grammar/spell check around here? If I’m gonna sound drunk and utterly idiotic in my posts I should at least have a buzz going.

    Then again it’s probably not a good idea to mix alcohol and Tigers baseball together these days. So maybe not.

  467. Dave BW

    June 4, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    “Then again it’s probably not a good idea to mix alcohol and Tigers baseball together these days. ”

    Either that or it’s the BEST IDEA IN THE WORLD!