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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/bonderman-headed-for-dl/#comment-88816</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could listen to the Cubs games all the time if I chose to, and really should, since they play a much more interesting style of baseball than Detroit. I think they call it &quot;winning baseball&quot; or some such. It&#039;s a very weird, NL style of play. I just can&#039;t embrace it.

I feel guilty that I only started paying serious attention to the Tigers, after years of neglect, when they started making noise in 2006. But I also feel that not having gone over to the Cubs, or worse still, the White Sox, when I could have and should have, should count as a mitigating factor.

I confess, however, that I listened to the 2005 World Series games and pulled for the White Sox. Hey, &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; I knew was in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could listen to the Cubs games all the time if I chose to, and really should, since they play a much more interesting style of baseball than Detroit. I think they call it &#8220;winning baseball&#8221; or some such. It&#8217;s a very weird, NL style of play. I just can&#8217;t embrace it.</p>
<p>I feel guilty that I only started paying serious attention to the Tigers, after years of neglect, when they started making noise in 2006. But I also feel that not having gone over to the Cubs, or worse still, the White Sox, when I could have and should have, should count as a mitigating factor.</p>
<p>I confess, however, that I listened to the 2005 World Series games and pulled for the White Sox. Hey, <i>someone</i> I knew was in there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/06/bonderman-headed-for-dl/#comment-88815</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Fossum pitched really well against one batter that one time&quot;

Yeah, that&#039;s right! I remember that. Man, those were the days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fossum pitched really well against one batter that one time&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s right! I remember that. Man, those were the days.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 16:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly I root for the Cubs as my NL team anyway! Their games always seem to be on at the right time for me to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I root for the Cubs as my NL team anyway! Their games always seem to be on at the right time for me to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 13:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince - I would love to be proved wrong about Fossum.  Unfortunately, unless you can tell me that he&#039;s added 5mph to his fastball, or finally added a quality pitch, I&#039;m not optimistic that we&#039;ll see anything other than 6 Earned Runs given up every start.  Its not the first time he&#039;s put up great stats in the minors.  Forgive me for being skeptical, but I&#039;ve seen one too many of his starts over the last 5 years, and let&#039;s just say he&#039;s had the kind of stuff that major league hitters can&#039;t wait to go up against.  They see Fossum on the mound and say to themselves, &#039;Time to pad my stats.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince &#8211; I would love to be proved wrong about Fossum.  Unfortunately, unless you can tell me that he&#8217;s added 5mph to his fastball, or finally added a quality pitch, I&#8217;m not optimistic that we&#8217;ll see anything other than 6 Earned Runs given up every start.  Its not the first time he&#8217;s put up great stats in the minors.  Forgive me for being skeptical, but I&#8217;ve seen one too many of his starts over the last 5 years, and let&#8217;s just say he&#8217;s had the kind of stuff that major league hitters can&#8217;t wait to go up against.  They see Fossum on the mound and say to themselves, &#8216;Time to pad my stats.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s all I’ve got.&quot;

Fossum pitched really well against one batter that one time.  Umm... jeez.  Yeah, this is a tough exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s all I’ve got.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fossum pitched really well against one batter that one time.  Umm&#8230; jeez.  Yeah, this is a tough exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 11:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Sean C., perhaps it&#039;s time to start rooting for the Cubs!

This season is over. Actually, if we&#039;re all honest, it was over in mid-April. The parts on this team just don&#039;t fit for various reasons. I think even Leyland has given up. He seemed rather up beat last night after yet another loss. In his pre-game with Dickerson, he said losing wasn&#039;t hurting his players enough. I agree.

I truly don&#039;t understand the dynamic of this team. Last season,  the Tigers put together an oustanding first half and then fell apart. I don&#039;t remember at what point it started to come undone last year ... Sheffield&#039;s shoulder injury in July ... but the train hasn&#039;t gotten back on the track since. Since that point, the Tigers record, I&#039;m sure, is well under .500.

How can a team good from good to awful with the flip of a switch? Most of the pieces are the same. It doesn&#039;t make sense to me. I guess that&#039;s why they pay Domrowski big money.

But it&#039;s obvious major changes need to be made. And, really, at this point, Leyland and Dombrowski should be using the remainder of this season to evaluate and prepare for 2009.

I think they should start putting players at the positions they plan to use them in for next season. If Inge is going to be the regular catcher, move him there now. If he&#039;s going to be at 3B, put him there and leave him alone.

The point is, don&#039;t wait until next spring training to start figuring the stuff out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Sean C., perhaps it&#8217;s time to start rooting for the Cubs!</p>
<p>This season is over. Actually, if we&#8217;re all honest, it was over in mid-April. The parts on this team just don&#8217;t fit for various reasons. I think even Leyland has given up. He seemed rather up beat last night after yet another loss. In his pre-game with Dickerson, he said losing wasn&#8217;t hurting his players enough. I agree.</p>
<p>I truly don&#8217;t understand the dynamic of this team. Last season,  the Tigers put together an oustanding first half and then fell apart. I don&#8217;t remember at what point it started to come undone last year &#8230; Sheffield&#8217;s shoulder injury in July &#8230; but the train hasn&#8217;t gotten back on the track since. Since that point, the Tigers record, I&#8217;m sure, is well under .500.</p>
<p>How can a team good from good to awful with the flip of a switch? Most of the pieces are the same. It doesn&#8217;t make sense to me. I guess that&#8217;s why they pay Domrowski big money.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s obvious major changes need to be made. And, really, at this point, Leyland and Dombrowski should be using the remainder of this season to evaluate and prepare for 2009.</p>
<p>I think they should start putting players at the positions they plan to use them in for next season. If Inge is going to be the regular catcher, move him there now. If he&#8217;s going to be at 3B, put him there and leave him alone.</p>
<p>The point is, don&#8217;t wait until next spring training to start figuring the stuff out.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 07:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not everything blows. The starting pitching has been much better for, what, 2-3 weeks now? Granderson is spectacular in CF. Inge has been tremendously not horrible. Larish has a clutch RBI single and a MLB home run now, off two good pitchers. Thames is on pace to become the first player in history with more home runs than plate appearances. And Cabrera is still hitting above .250.

That&#039;s all I&#039;ve got.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not everything blows. The starting pitching has been much better for, what, 2-3 weeks now? Granderson is spectacular in CF. Inge has been tremendously not horrible. Larish has a clutch RBI single and a MLB home run now, off two good pitchers. Thames is on pace to become the first player in history with more home runs than plate appearances. And Cabrera is still hitting above .250.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all I&#8217;ve got.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;God, this team just absolutely blows.&quot;


If at the beginning of this season, someone could have asked me to imagine the worst, most disappointing season that the &#039;08 Tigers could have had, and what that would look like, in no way could I have even come close to imagining this. This is  a F-ing nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God, this team just absolutely blows.&#8221;</p>
<p>If at the beginning of this season, someone could have asked me to imagine the worst, most disappointing season that the &#8216;08 Tigers could have had, and what that would look like, in no way could I have even come close to imagining this. This is  a F-ing nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find some of these pitcher DL stints suspicious. like Bautista and Rapada. Like the DL is being used as a kind of holding tank or something. I don&#039;t know if that happens or if there&#039;s even any conceivable advantage to such a thing. 

But I don&#039;t think 2008 has been so bad for injuries so far, despite the recent news. Willis was no great loss, Sheffield was never healthy to begin with, and, at least in terms of his current stats, Granderson was outperformed by his replacements. 

The injuries in 2007 were huge, agreed. Could have made all that 8 game difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find some of these pitcher DL stints suspicious. like Bautista and Rapada. Like the DL is being used as a kind of holding tank or something. I don&#8217;t know if that happens or if there&#8217;s even any conceivable advantage to such a thing. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think 2008 has been so bad for injuries so far, despite the recent news. Willis was no great loss, Sheffield was never healthy to begin with, and, at least in terms of his current stats, Granderson was outperformed by his replacements. </p>
<p>The injuries in 2007 were huge, agreed. Could have made all that 8 game difference.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God, this team just absolutely blows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God, this team just absolutely blows.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought last year was our penance for the extraordinarily healthy 2006, but I guess we have one more year to repent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought last year was our penance for the extraordinarily healthy 2006, but I guess we have one more year to repent.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Kzoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in Kzoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 05:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AG will get his turn again in the rotation.  That experiment was a joke!  If you are to keep him in the bigs you need to keep him as a starter not a reliever or a piggy backer.  If Bondo goes on the DL this team truly is a bust.  I mean you have failure after failure of the hittin on this club, and just as soon as the pitching comes around you have starters starting to go on the DL.  Also I hope and prey that its not as bad as John Smoltz shoulder if so they we have some HUGE issues.

Also I believe that Sean C.  is correct.  Renteria is too expensive for limited defense at short.  I expect DD to either go out and get a good defensive short stop or rely on Santiago or Holliman in the hole.  I&#039;d prefer the later of the two.(Santiago)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AG will get his turn again in the rotation.  That experiment was a joke!  If you are to keep him in the bigs you need to keep him as a starter not a reliever or a piggy backer.  If Bondo goes on the DL this team truly is a bust.  I mean you have failure after failure of the hittin on this club, and just as soon as the pitching comes around you have starters starting to go on the DL.  Also I hope and prey that its not as bad as John Smoltz shoulder if so they we have some HUGE issues.</p>
<p>Also I believe that Sean C.  is correct.  Renteria is too expensive for limited defense at short.  I expect DD to either go out and get a good defensive short stop or rely on Santiago or Holliman in the hole.  I&#8217;d prefer the later of the two.(Santiago)</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least Bonderman&#039;s problem is being dealt with early (or so we&#039;re led to believe), which is better than him trying to pitch through it until August and THEN putting him on the DL. Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least Bonderman&#8217;s problem is being dealt with early (or so we&#8217;re led to believe), which is better than him trying to pitch through it until August and THEN putting him on the DL. Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg

In my dream world, Santiago replaces Renteria and shines, hitting like Polanco and providing solid if unspectacular defense at SS.

In reality, if the Tigers say no thanks to Renteria for 2009 - by no means certain - you&#039;ve got to figure they will go after a SS who offers three things: Defense, defense, and more defense. It may have dawned on them by now that lack of said defense at SS it hurting them quite badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg</p>
<p>In my dream world, Santiago replaces Renteria and shines, hitting like Polanco and providing solid if unspectacular defense at SS.</p>
<p>In reality, if the Tigers say no thanks to Renteria for 2009 &#8211; by no means certain &#8211; you&#8217;ve got to figure they will go after a SS who offers three things: Defense, defense, and more defense. It may have dawned on them by now that lack of said defense at SS it hurting them quite badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 04:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes. I always cringe at anything to do with a pitcher&#039;s arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes. I always cringe at anything to do with a pitcher&#8217;s arm.</p>
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