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	<title>Comments on: Patience is a virtue and a technique</title>
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	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/patience-is-a-virtue-and-a-technique/#comment-82889</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 02:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff, as always. Under which link is the data on the players page on baseball-reference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff, as always. Under which link is the data on the players page on baseball-reference?</p>
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		<title>By: Joel in Seattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel in Seattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Very interesting numbers. I knew Polly was a great contact hitter, but to make contact on &lt;em&gt;92%&lt;/em&gt; of what you swing at? That's pretty awesome.

Look at Santiago's numbers, though. He has yet to swing and miss at a ball in the strike zone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Very interesting numbers. I knew Polly was a great contact hitter, but to make contact on <em>92%</em> of what you swing at? That&#8217;s pretty awesome.</p>
<p>Look at Santiago&#8217;s numbers, though. He has yet to swing and miss at a ball in the strike zone!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/patience-is-a-virtue-and-a-technique/#comment-82832</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 15:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greg - Yes, it would be. I seem to recall some comments in the press from Leyland on team hitting the first couple weeks. You can imagine how much more extreme it might have been in private.

I wonder why these speeches work in sports (as they sometimes seem to.) Personally, I've never responded very well to getting chewed out by the boss, whether as part of a group or on an individual basis. Maybe it works for the Tigers when it creates a sense of camaraderie (I can't possibly be sperlling this right). As in, after the speech, players getting together in conversation, maybe guys who normally don't talk that much with each other. "Did you hear what he said? Dude's out of his freakin' mind, he he. He needs to learn to relax. Maybe he's not gettin' any lately, eh? He he. Did you see how he lit another cigarette when he already had one burning in the ashtray? What a nut." 

Or, given the fact that Leyland really does seem to command a great deal of respect from his players, maybe his displeasure really does make everyone bear down and work together just the slightest bit more, just enough to make a big difference in results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greg - Yes, it would be. I seem to recall some comments in the press from Leyland on team hitting the first couple weeks. You can imagine how much more extreme it might have been in private.</p>
<p>I wonder why these speeches work in sports (as they sometimes seem to.) Personally, I&#8217;ve never responded very well to getting chewed out by the boss, whether as part of a group or on an individual basis. Maybe it works for the Tigers when it creates a sense of camaraderie (I can&#8217;t possibly be sperlling this right). As in, after the speech, players getting together in conversation, maybe guys who normally don&#8217;t talk that much with each other. &#8220;Did you hear what he said? Dude&#8217;s out of his freakin&#8217; mind, he he. He needs to learn to relax. Maybe he&#8217;s not gettin&#8217; any lately, eh? He he. Did you see how he lit another cigarette when he already had one burning in the ashtray? What a nut.&#8221; </p>
<p>Or, given the fact that Leyland really does seem to command a great deal of respect from his players, maybe his displeasure really does make everyone bear down and work together just the slightest bit more, just enough to make a big difference in results.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 14:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean - in reference to you first question, it would be interesting to see the splits of these stats BEFORE Leyland's initial motivational speech(thru april 13th) and AFTER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean - in reference to you first question, it would be interesting to see the splits of these stats BEFORE Leyland&#8217;s initial motivational speech(thru april 13th) and AFTER.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/patience-is-a-virtue-and-a-technique/#comment-82822</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe I misspelled "there." I suck. I must leave now in shame and disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I misspelled &#8220;there.&#8221; I suck. I must leave now in shame and disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/patience-is-a-virtue-and-a-technique/#comment-82821</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 13:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very cool stats. Thank you, Billfer and Fangraphs. Every time I look, something else catches my eye. 100% zone contact for Santiago? 0% first swings for Granderson? 

It's funny, but when I saw the headline I figured the post was going to be about &lt;i&gt;fan&lt;/i&gt; patience and how people had been too quick to write off certain players or the whole team after a start to the season no one imagined. I was kind of looking forward to an inspirational mini-sermon. But the stats turned out to be quite inspirational themselves.

The question is, with plate discipline like this, how did the team start off hitting so very inconsistently and often poorly (4 shutouts!). Have they gotten so much better at it just lately?

The lurking question is: Can a hitter do everything right and still get poor results for an extended period of time? Are their hitters who have "tough luck" for a whole month or longer? Polanco's plate discipline numbers look better than Ordonez's. But the results were the opposite. So what's the missing link between nice try and good results?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool stats. Thank you, Billfer and Fangraphs. Every time I look, something else catches my eye. 100% zone contact for Santiago? 0% first swings for Granderson? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, but when I saw the headline I figured the post was going to be about <i>fan</i> patience and how people had been too quick to write off certain players or the whole team after a start to the season no one imagined. I was kind of looking forward to an inspirational mini-sermon. But the stats turned out to be quite inspirational themselves.</p>
<p>The question is, with plate discipline like this, how did the team start off hitting so very inconsistently and often poorly (4 shutouts!). Have they gotten so much better at it just lately?</p>
<p>The lurking question is: Can a hitter do everything right and still get poor results for an extended period of time? Are their hitters who have &#8220;tough luck&#8221; for a whole month or longer? Polanco&#8217;s plate discipline numbers look better than Ordonez&#8217;s. But the results were the opposite. So what&#8217;s the missing link between nice try and good results?</p>
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		<title>By: SJC in Detroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>SJC in Detroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 12:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What rich said above -- thanks for more great work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What rich said above &#8212; thanks for more great work</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 12:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>billfer:
Outstanding work!  This is the kind of content that makes you the best, Bill.  Thanks for bringing it to us.  Stat that jumped out to me, for some reason, was Thames' Z swing and contact stat.  If it's in the strike zone, Marcus is hacking, and most of the time making contact.  Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>billfer:<br />
Outstanding work!  This is the kind of content that makes you the best, Bill.  Thanks for bringing it to us.  Stat that jumped out to me, for some reason, was Thames&#8217; Z swing and contact stat.  If it&#8217;s in the strike zone, Marcus is hacking, and most of the time making contact.  Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 11:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  Glad to see improvement (especially in Grandy, Pudge, Inge).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  Glad to see improvement (especially in Grandy, Pudge, Inge).</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Panas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Panas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might help explain why a team that drew only 474 walks in 2007 is on a pace for 709 this year.  They were third to the bottom last year.  So far, they lead the league this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might help explain why a team that drew only 474 walks in 2007 is on a pace for 709 this year.  They were third to the bottom last year.  So far, they lead the league this year.</p>
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