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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/links-for-2008-05-29/#comment-87120</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, tiff! Country Strong is the REAL reason the Mariners don&#039;t dare throw a lefty at us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, tiff! Country Strong is the REAL reason the Mariners don&#8217;t dare throw a lefty at us!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/links-for-2008-05-29/#comment-87119</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 23:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn

Leyland kept Sheffield #3 based on what he was supposed to do there, what he did there last year when healthy, what everyone hoped he was going to do there. Leyland gave him more rope than anyone else would get, to the detriment of the team. It was a gamble that didn&#039;t work, but don&#039;t be surprised to see it played out again when Sheffield comes off the DL.

A properly functioning Sheffield would make Cabrera ideal for #5, with some of the best protection around in the form of Guillen at #6. Without Sheffield - on the DL or off the team for good - I still think Cabrera is a good fit at #5. Protecting Ordonez, and even more importantly, getting another lefty in Guillen higher in the order (#3). 

I would really hope for Thames behind Cabrera. Other teams may find out to their cost that you don&#039;t pitch around Cabrera to get to Thames. I don&#039;t know his career numbers in this regard, but for a full 2 months Marcus has been on fire with men on, and the trend is our friend.

Yes, I&#039;m a shameless Marcus Thames booster. Please don&#039;t bring me down with any contradictory career splits, now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn</p>
<p>Leyland kept Sheffield #3 based on what he was supposed to do there, what he did there last year when healthy, what everyone hoped he was going to do there. Leyland gave him more rope than anyone else would get, to the detriment of the team. It was a gamble that didn&#8217;t work, but don&#8217;t be surprised to see it played out again when Sheffield comes off the DL.</p>
<p>A properly functioning Sheffield would make Cabrera ideal for #5, with some of the best protection around in the form of Guillen at #6. Without Sheffield &#8211; on the DL or off the team for good &#8211; I still think Cabrera is a good fit at #5. Protecting Ordonez, and even more importantly, getting another lefty in Guillen higher in the order (#3). </p>
<p>I would really hope for Thames behind Cabrera. Other teams may find out to their cost that you don&#8217;t pitch around Cabrera to get to Thames. I don&#8217;t know his career numbers in this regard, but for a full 2 months Marcus has been on fire with men on, and the trend is our friend.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m a shameless Marcus Thames booster. Please don&#8217;t bring me down with any contradictory career splits, now.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The whole muddled mess now looks like a scheme to do everything but start Thames in LF full-time. Why was that so scary?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Country Strong is a powerful, scary thing.</description>
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<p>Country Strong is a powerful, scary thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/links-for-2008-05-29/#comment-87112</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tongue-in-cheek, eh? I hope Miguel doesn’t have his tongue in his cheek - he might try to eat it. Hey-oh.&lt;/b&gt;

Now why can&#039;t I come up with stuff like that? I&#039;m too cerebral, too Monty Python. I over-manage, like Tony LaRussa. You have the instinctual, gut-level stuff, Chris. You are the Jim Leyland of comedians.

I mean that as a compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tongue-in-cheek, eh? I hope Miguel doesn’t have his tongue in his cheek &#8211; he might try to eat it. Hey-oh.</b></p>
<p>Now why can&#8217;t I come up with stuff like that? I&#8217;m too cerebral, too Monty Python. I over-manage, like Tony LaRussa. You have the instinctual, gut-level stuff, Chris. You are the Jim Leyland of comedians.</p>
<p>I mean that as a compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually thought getting Jones would be an under the radar good pickup.  I just remember hating the hell out of him as a Twin, perhaps becuase he drilled 13 career HR against the Tigers.  Obviously he completely sucks these days, though.  Maybe if the Cabrera deal had gone down first, they would have revisited the oft-rumored Jack Wilson trade with Pittsburgh which wouldn&#039;t have cost 2 grade A prospects like the Renteria fiasco.  Yes, I&#039;m officially calling it a fiasco.  Anyway, the Hindsight Game is fun.  When all the chips fall, the Tigers will have made out with Miggy.  He&#039;s Manny Ramirez, sans the looniness (although Miggy does seem to have a bit of a goofy quality to him).  Gotta go my DTW brethren.  Enjoy the weekend and let&#039;s hope for another sweep of the Sub-Mariners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually thought getting Jones would be an under the radar good pickup.  I just remember hating the hell out of him as a Twin, perhaps becuase he drilled 13 career HR against the Tigers.  Obviously he completely sucks these days, though.  Maybe if the Cabrera deal had gone down first, they would have revisited the oft-rumored Jack Wilson trade with Pittsburgh which wouldn&#8217;t have cost 2 grade A prospects like the Renteria fiasco.  Yes, I&#8217;m officially calling it a fiasco.  Anyway, the Hindsight Game is fun.  When all the chips fall, the Tigers will have made out with Miggy.  He&#8217;s Manny Ramirez, sans the looniness (although Miggy does seem to have a bit of a goofy quality to him).  Gotta go my DTW brethren.  Enjoy the weekend and let&#8217;s hope for another sweep of the Sub-Mariners.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris in Dallas

If the Cabrera deal had gone down first, the Tigers would have still had needs at SS and LF, true, but I think it would have changed their approach to filing them. I don&#039;t think they would have offered as much for Renteria, and assuming they failed there, I think they might have filled the hole with Santiago (assuming that was OK with Guillen - no sarcasm intended). In the back of my mind, I seem to recall statements from - Leyland? - that totally contradict that last, though. So they might have traded for 
a defensive specialist, then.

They could have and should have done better than Jacques Jones as a platoon partner for Thames in LF. I want to say that Santiago/Defensive New Guy as the SS solution would have influenced the Tigers in getting a more substantial bat in LF, with more left to trade for it - Juurjens and Hernandez, perhaps, or even Jurjjens straight up? - but I can&#039;t say what was was available at the time.

Something I realized in hindsight was the question of why  Sheffield wasn&#039;t in the LF picture to begin with, with his desire to play in the field already known and with the Tigers already not just hoping for but relying upon his return to health. But in acquiring Jones, they essentially nixed that, just to replace Sean Casey&#039;s bat in the lineup, really. And later they give (struggling) Sheffield the shot in LF and release Jones. Then they try Joyce, and finally Thames gets what he should have gotten in the first place. The whole muddled mess now looks like a scheme to do everything &lt;b&gt;but&lt;/b&gt; start Thames in LF full-time. Why was that so scary? They could (now) at least afford Thames the same patience they afforded Sheffield, no?

I think the acquisition of Jones was probably the worst off-season move, and I don&#039;t base that on his failure. It just didn&#039;t make a lot of sense, not that I saw this at the time. My thought was - Jones? Lefty. OK. Not real popular with Cubs fans, but hey, maybe he&#039;ll blossom here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris in Dallas</p>
<p>If the Cabrera deal had gone down first, the Tigers would have still had needs at SS and LF, true, but I think it would have changed their approach to filing them. I don&#8217;t think they would have offered as much for Renteria, and assuming they failed there, I think they might have filled the hole with Santiago (assuming that was OK with Guillen &#8211; no sarcasm intended). In the back of my mind, I seem to recall statements from &#8211; Leyland? &#8211; that totally contradict that last, though. So they might have traded for<br />
a defensive specialist, then.</p>
<p>They could have and should have done better than Jacques Jones as a platoon partner for Thames in LF. I want to say that Santiago/Defensive New Guy as the SS solution would have influenced the Tigers in getting a more substantial bat in LF, with more left to trade for it &#8211; Juurjens and Hernandez, perhaps, or even Jurjjens straight up? &#8211; but I can&#8217;t say what was was available at the time.</p>
<p>Something I realized in hindsight was the question of why  Sheffield wasn&#8217;t in the LF picture to begin with, with his desire to play in the field already known and with the Tigers already not just hoping for but relying upon his return to health. But in acquiring Jones, they essentially nixed that, just to replace Sean Casey&#8217;s bat in the lineup, really. And later they give (struggling) Sheffield the shot in LF and release Jones. Then they try Joyce, and finally Thames gets what he should have gotten in the first place. The whole muddled mess now looks like a scheme to do everything <b>but</b> start Thames in LF full-time. Why was that so scary? They could (now) at least afford Thames the same patience they afforded Sheffield, no?</p>
<p>I think the acquisition of Jones was probably the worst off-season move, and I don&#8217;t base that on his failure. It just didn&#8217;t make a lot of sense, not that I saw this at the time. My thought was &#8211; Jones? Lefty. OK. Not real popular with Cubs fans, but hey, maybe he&#8217;ll blossom here.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting all those same good vibes Mark.  I&#039;ve come to realize that an offense that can score 19 runs in a game *twice* is a good offense (of course you could also say that a team that&#039;s been shutout 8 times is a bad offense, but bear with me here).  All of those preseason prognostications about PlayStation-type offensive numbers weren&#039;t guesswork.  These guys can hit.  Now that they seem to have figured out how to pitch and catch, there will soon be no stopping them when the guys in the batters box start putting it together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting all those same good vibes Mark.  I&#8217;ve come to realize that an offense that can score 19 runs in a game *twice* is a good offense (of course you could also say that a team that&#8217;s been shutout 8 times is a bad offense, but bear with me here).  All of those preseason prognostications about PlayStation-type offensive numbers weren&#8217;t guesswork.  These guys can hit.  Now that they seem to have figured out how to pitch and catch, there will soon be no stopping them when the guys in the batters box start putting it together.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>given the chemistry on this board today, I think the Tig&#039;s will beat Silva &quot;like he &lt;i&gt;stole&lt;/i&gt; somethin&#039;!!&quot; tonight.

I said a few games ago it was almost time to buy low on this team.  Maybe I&#039;m just giddy from the fun I&#039;ve around here lately, or perhaps it&#039;s the lack of sleep from the late starts (we&#039;re only an hour behind you Michigan folks), but I think we&#039;ve bottomed.  I don&#039;t know what the numbers will be, but I&#039;m calling for a hot June where we go 20-7 or some such thing.  That&#039;s right, you read that correctly.  I am calling for the Tigers to be above .500 by the end of June.

and to prove my confidence, I am putting actual money on the Tigers to win the division when I&#039;m Vegas next Wednesday.  In my world, I eat my own cooking...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>given the chemistry on this board today, I think the Tig&#8217;s will beat Silva &#8220;like he <i>stole</i> somethin&#8217;!!&#8221; tonight.</p>
<p>I said a few games ago it was almost time to buy low on this team.  Maybe I&#8217;m just giddy from the fun I&#8217;ve around here lately, or perhaps it&#8217;s the lack of sleep from the late starts (we&#8217;re only an hour behind you Michigan folks), but I think we&#8217;ve bottomed.  I don&#8217;t know what the numbers will be, but I&#8217;m calling for a hot June where we go 20-7 or some such thing.  That&#8217;s right, you read that correctly.  I am calling for the Tigers to be above .500 by the end of June.</p>
<p>and to prove my confidence, I am putting actual money on the Tigers to win the division when I&#8217;m Vegas next Wednesday.  In my world, I eat my own cooking&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your one trick pony-ness is great Sean.  I&#039;ve been limiting my humor to hemmorhoid-based jokes lately so it&#039;s all good.  As a side note, I can&#039;t believe I just said &quot;it&#039;s all good&quot;.  billfer can feel free to ban me from his site for a week on account of that.  

Anyhoo - do the Tigs whip Carlos Silva like a government mule again tonite?  They better get a bunch of runs early so I can get some sleep.  These West Coast start times are a killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your one trick pony-ness is great Sean.  I&#8217;ve been limiting my humor to hemmorhoid-based jokes lately so it&#8217;s all good.  As a side note, I can&#8217;t believe I just said &#8220;it&#8217;s all good&#8221;.  billfer can feel free to ban me from his site for a week on account of that.  </p>
<p>Anyhoo &#8211; do the Tigs whip Carlos Silva like a government mule again tonite?  They better get a bunch of runs early so I can get some sleep.  These West Coast start times are a killer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith

Thanks for the support. I&#039;ll ignore the less complimentary statements, because I know you&#039;re just jealous that &lt;b&gt;you&lt;/b&gt; don&#039;t have an autographed Jose Mesa card. Or a blue glove. Or a chubby silhouette. (Help is on its way, Chris in D, though you can no longer read this to know it.) But I still don&#039;t know why you had to tell everyone I live in Illinois. That was uncalled for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith</p>
<p>Thanks for the support. I&#8217;ll ignore the less complimentary statements, because I know you&#8217;re just jealous that <b>you</b> don&#8217;t have an autographed Jose Mesa card. Or a blue glove. Or a chubby silhouette. (Help is on its way, Chris in D, though you can no longer read this to know it.) But I still don&#8217;t know why you had to tell everyone I live in Illinois. That was uncalled for.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn

As you know by now, I was only playing on a running joke about Cabrera, started by the one poster here who really does think Cabrera is a bust. It wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea to assume that he is joking as well, even if he&#039;s not.

I&#039;m a one-trick pony with my humor here. Silly, stupid stuff, delivered with a very straight face. This has the benefit of providing cover when I really do say something stupid. I can always claim I was joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn</p>
<p>As you know by now, I was only playing on a running joke about Cabrera, started by the one poster here who really does think Cabrera is a bust. It wouldn&#8217;t be a bad idea to assume that he is joking as well, even if he&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a one-trick pony with my humor here. Silly, stupid stuff, delivered with a very straight face. This has the benefit of providing cover when I really do say something stupid. I can always claim I was joking.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re:  Pudge, Maggs, Cabrera.  All 3 hand-picked by Ilitch.  The rest of his family vetoed Maggs and yet Ilitch still wanted him.  He&#039;s always been willing to take a gamble and comes up with gold at least so far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re:  Pudge, Maggs, Cabrera.  All 3 hand-picked by Ilitch.  The rest of his family vetoed Maggs and yet Ilitch still wanted him.  He&#8217;s always been willing to take a gamble and comes up with gold at least so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 21:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark (in Chicago)

The acronym LOL is used a bit loosely and a bit too much, I think. But I did literally laugh out loud when I read your post. (And I don&#039;t mean the one on the trades.) That was &lt;b&gt;way&lt;/b&gt; funnier than mine.

I &lt;i&gt;try&lt;/i&gt; to be funny, sometimes too hard. Some people just &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; funny. I see a lot of that here, and it&#039;s a big payoff for me when something I write that made me giggle starts a wave and comes back as something to really make me laugh. 

And thanks for the compliment, &quot;Ryan in Brooklyn.&quot; We really are brilliant and funny, aren&#039;t we? I know you agree, but go ahead and say so anyway. Just to teach that Mark guy a lesson.</description>
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<p>The acronym LOL is used a bit loosely and a bit too much, I think. But I did literally laugh out loud when I read your post. (And I don&#8217;t mean the one on the trades.) That was <b>way</b> funnier than mine.</p>
<p>I <i>try</i> to be funny, sometimes too hard. Some people just <i>are</i> funny. I see a lot of that here, and it&#8217;s a big payoff for me when something I write that made me giggle starts a wave and comes back as something to really make me laugh. </p>
<p>And thanks for the compliment, &#8220;Ryan in Brooklyn.&#8221; We really are brilliant and funny, aren&#8217;t we? I know you agree, but go ahead and say so anyway. Just to teach that Mark guy a lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an exchange I wish a reporter would have with Leyland:

Following last night’s game, SNY’s Kevin Burkhardt asked Willie Randolph, “It seems like all the things that were illing this club…it’s like they’ve all come together, is it just timing,” to which Randolph smiled, laughed and asked, “Illing?  Is that like the hip-hop term, illin’.  You’re illin’, man.”

Burkhardt, clearly embarrassed, and speaking up over his fellow reporters, who were all laughing as well, said with a smile, “I’m trying to be a rapper at the same time, what can I tell you.”
Randolph, ready to answer the question, continued by saying, “Uhh, well, yeah, we been illin’ for a while,” which was followed by even more laughter from reporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an exchange I wish a reporter would have with Leyland:</p>
<p>Following last night’s game, SNY’s Kevin Burkhardt asked Willie Randolph, “It seems like all the things that were illing this club…it’s like they’ve all come together, is it just timing,” to which Randolph smiled, laughed and asked, “Illing?  Is that like the hip-hop term, illin’.  You’re illin’, man.”</p>
<p>Burkhardt, clearly embarrassed, and speaking up over his fellow reporters, who were all laughing as well, said with a smile, “I’m trying to be a rapper at the same time, what can I tell you.”<br />
Randolph, ready to answer the question, continued by saying, “Uhh, well, yeah, we been illin’ for a while,” which was followed by even more laughter from reporters.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 20:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, the humor on this site has been outstanding of late.  I need to drink a pint of Diet Mountain Dew and get my game face on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, the humor on this site has been outstanding of late.  I need to drink a pint of Diet Mountain Dew and get my game face on.</p>
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