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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/leyland-abandons-logic-in-sheffield-mess/#comment-84784</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In all sincerity, Leyland is not entirely to blame, no.   The truth is, it is mostly the players.  But the poor play of his beloved veterans compounds his peccadillos.  He did the same kind of bone-headed things in 2006 &#38; 2007, but he was backed up by solid play and talent.   So he must have been doing something right, right?  Well that something right ain't right this year.  Now he's just mismanaging.

I know it's tempting to finger a fall guy, and there is a lot of that going on here, but when all you have left at the end of the day are dubious decisions from the guy pulling the strings, those decisions will get called into question a hell of lot more when the team can't win.  This team played horrible in KC, but in my mind, I can honestly say without falling into the fall guy trap, that the Tigers should have taken at least one of the three games.  Leyland blew it in the first game by pulling Robertson after 82 pitches.  The series still would have sucked, but 1 of 3 is certainly better than being swept.   

I'm well aware the game may have turned the same tide if Roberston pitched in the eighth, but I honestly think the Tigers would have won that game with solid managing.  They had the momentum the entire game, were hitting in every inning -- they just didn't get the key hit.  If the game went into extra innings, the Tigers would have won.  If the team is in a nasty funk in a vertical nose dive to suckitude, it can't afford a much as one game-costing mistake in managment if it hopes to turn it around before it's too late.  

Aside from that, Leyland is simply not getting it done motivating these guys.  Yesterday the KC camera crew focused in on the Tiger dugout in the late innings, and all you saw were Maggs and Inge and some other guys joking and laughing.  I don't know about you, but if KC was throwing my team an ass whoopin' for the second straight series, the last thing I'd be doing in the dugout is laughing and joking without a care in the world.  Have 'em study film, send them to a yoga retreat, bring in Tony Robbins as a consultant, I don't know.  Anything!  If you're not utterly embarrassed by being dominated by the KC "friggin'" Royals (to quote Kevin in Austin, I believe), please hide it a little better.  Leyland could and should set the tone just a little better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all sincerity, Leyland is not entirely to blame, no.   The truth is, it is mostly the players.  But the poor play of his beloved veterans compounds his peccadillos.  He did the same kind of bone-headed things in 2006 &amp; 2007, but he was backed up by solid play and talent.   So he must have been doing something right, right?  Well that something right ain&#8217;t right this year.  Now he&#8217;s just mismanaging.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s tempting to finger a fall guy, and there is a lot of that going on here, but when all you have left at the end of the day are dubious decisions from the guy pulling the strings, those decisions will get called into question a hell of lot more when the team can&#8217;t win.  This team played horrible in KC, but in my mind, I can honestly say without falling into the fall guy trap, that the Tigers should have taken at least one of the three games.  Leyland blew it in the first game by pulling Robertson after 82 pitches.  The series still would have sucked, but 1 of 3 is certainly better than being swept.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m well aware the game may have turned the same tide if Roberston pitched in the eighth, but I honestly think the Tigers would have won that game with solid managing.  They had the momentum the entire game, were hitting in every inning &#8212; they just didn&#8217;t get the key hit.  If the game went into extra innings, the Tigers would have won.  If the team is in a nasty funk in a vertical nose dive to suckitude, it can&#8217;t afford a much as one game-costing mistake in managment if it hopes to turn it around before it&#8217;s too late.  </p>
<p>Aside from that, Leyland is simply not getting it done motivating these guys.  Yesterday the KC camera crew focused in on the Tiger dugout in the late innings, and all you saw were Maggs and Inge and some other guys joking and laughing.  I don&#8217;t know about you, but if KC was throwing my team an ass whoopin&#8217; for the second straight series, the last thing I&#8217;d be doing in the dugout is laughing and joking without a care in the world.  Have &#8216;em study film, send them to a yoga retreat, bring in Tony Robbins as a consultant, I don&#8217;t know.  Anything!  If you&#8217;re not utterly embarrassed by being dominated by the KC &#8220;friggin&#8217;&#8221; Royals (to quote Kevin in Austin, I believe), please hide it a little better.  Leyland could and should set the tone just a little better.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joey C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheff is cooked.  I was worried last season that this would be the injury to do him in and I had no faith in his ability to perform.  Yet another reason I was happy about the Cabrera deal (even I am starting to wonder about the deal at this point.)  I don't really know what we could have done with this guy, but he really is causing problems with figuring out the best configuration for this team.

As this team continues to sink into the quagmire I'm starting to feel like this team would be improved just by removing a few guys from the roster entirely.  That's depressing.  When you start believing that your team would actually be better by cutting high priced talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheff is cooked.  I was worried last season that this would be the injury to do him in and I had no faith in his ability to perform.  Yet another reason I was happy about the Cabrera deal (even I am starting to wonder about the deal at this point.)  I don&#8217;t really know what we could have done with this guy, but he really is causing problems with figuring out the best configuration for this team.</p>
<p>As this team continues to sink into the quagmire I&#8217;m starting to feel like this team would be improved just by removing a few guys from the roster entirely.  That&#8217;s depressing.  When you start believing that your team would actually be better by cutting high priced talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Kathy, but is that worth the cost to the team? Maybe it's already costing the team, beyond Sheffield's struggles at the plate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Kathy, but is that worth the cost to the team? Maybe it&#8217;s already costing the team, beyond Sheffield&#8217;s struggles at the plate.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 15:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leland seems to be admitting that he's trying every scenario possible to keep Gary in the game and get him swinging again like he did so wonderfully last year when healthy.  On the other hand, Leland wants Sheff to come to him and admit he needs to go on the DL.  We all know how ugly Gary can get when he's forced into doing something he doesn't want to do and Leyland just doesn't want to humiliate Sheff until Sheff figures out he just can't hack it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leland seems to be admitting that he&#8217;s trying every scenario possible to keep Gary in the game and get him swinging again like he did so wonderfully last year when healthy.  On the other hand, Leland wants Sheff to come to him and admit he needs to go on the DL.  We all know how ugly Gary can get when he&#8217;s forced into doing something he doesn&#8217;t want to do and Leyland just doesn&#8217;t want to humiliate Sheff until Sheff figures out he just can&#8217;t hack it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda find it hard to lay too much of the blame on Leyland.  It seems like he's tried pretty much everything he can try to get them going at this point.  As some juncture, the players have to perform.  Plain and simple.  I do think maybe he should've pulled Rogers earlier than he did.  It seemed obvious early on that he didn't "have it".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda find it hard to lay too much of the blame on Leyland.  It seems like he&#8217;s tried pretty much everything he can try to get them going at this point.  As some juncture, the players have to perform.  Plain and simple.  I do think maybe he should&#8217;ve pulled Rogers earlier than he did.  It seemed obvious early on that he didn&#8217;t &#8220;have it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damnit, Skip!  Ya got me.  Now I have to change my alias on this site so I won't be lynched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damnit, Skip!  Ya got me.  Now I have to change my alias on this site so I won&#8217;t be lynched.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"T Smith"

Gary, is that you? Damn it, I told you that you could come to my office any time. My door is open. Has it come to this, where two proud, stubborn men have to take their problems to a web log?

Say, have you given any thought to playing first base?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;T Smith&#8221;</p>
<p>Gary, is that you? Damn it, I told you that you could come to my office any time. My door is open. Has it come to this, where two proud, stubborn men have to take their problems to a web log?</p>
<p>Say, have you given any thought to playing first base?</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean C:

Who's to say you're not Leyland?  In which case you now know exactly what to do :) 

Anyway -- I'm available for service at any time.  We can discuss compensation later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean C:</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s to say you&#8217;re not Leyland?  In which case you now know exactly what to do <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anyway &#8212; I&#8217;m available for service at any time.  We can discuss compensation later.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith

What you say sounds right. But with the writing having been on the wall a few days ago, I wonder why Leyland hasn't had that conversation with Sheffield already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith</p>
<p>What you say sounds right. But with the writing having been on the wall a few days ago, I wonder why Leyland hasn&#8217;t had that conversation with Sheffield already.</p>
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		<title>By: scotsw</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't been overly impressed with Leyland this year, but I don't think he's actually the problem.

The first problem is health. Zumaya, Rodney, Bautista, Willis, possibly Bonderman's elbow. That's pitchers. Also Polanco's back, Guillen's knees, Cabrera's quad (which I still think is bothering him), Sheffield's shoulder, Sheffield's fingers, Granderson's finger....

The second problem is age: Todd Jones, Rogers, Sheffield, PUDGE!!!, all declining a little or a lot.

The third problem is simple, below-grade performance: Polanco for much of the season, Cabrera, Granderson, Cabrera, Renteria, Cabrera, Grilli, Jacque Jones, Verlander, Bonderman, Cabrera, Cabrera and Cabrera.

Now, I'm not saying that Leyland has handled all of this ideally. But it might be a bit much to ask anyone to deal with that ideally.

I do think that the team left Lakeland unprepared for primetime, and not mentally or physically ready for real games. But after a month and a half, that's not the issue now.

Much of this is on the players. None of these problems in isolation would hurt this team too much.

But yes, put Sheff on the DL, let his body heal up for a few weeks, and give a kid a chance. DH Guillen and Cabrera to let them mend, and improve the defense at the same time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t been overly impressed with Leyland this year, but I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s actually the problem.</p>
<p>The first problem is health. Zumaya, Rodney, Bautista, Willis, possibly Bonderman&#8217;s elbow. That&#8217;s pitchers. Also Polanco&#8217;s back, Guillen&#8217;s knees, Cabrera&#8217;s quad (which I still think is bothering him), Sheffield&#8217;s shoulder, Sheffield&#8217;s fingers, Granderson&#8217;s finger&#8230;.</p>
<p>The second problem is age: Todd Jones, Rogers, Sheffield, PUDGE!!!, all declining a little or a lot.</p>
<p>The third problem is simple, below-grade performance: Polanco for much of the season, Cabrera, Granderson, Cabrera, Renteria, Cabrera, Grilli, Jacque Jones, Verlander, Bonderman, Cabrera, Cabrera and Cabrera.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not saying that Leyland has handled all of this ideally. But it might be a bit much to ask anyone to deal with that ideally.</p>
<p>I do think that the team left Lakeland unprepared for primetime, and not mentally or physically ready for real games. But after a month and a half, that&#8217;s not the issue now.</p>
<p>Much of this is on the players. None of these problems in isolation would hurt this team too much.</p>
<p>But yes, put Sheff on the DL, let his body heal up for a few weeks, and give a kid a chance. DH Guillen and Cabrera to let them mend, and improve the defense at the same time.</p>
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