Comments on: How much of the offenses success is attributable to Granderson and Leyland http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Braves Jair Jurrjens Authentic Jerseys http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-111627 Braves Jair Jurrjens Authentic Jerseys Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:47:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-111627 G'day! As an Australia-based Braves fan, I found your blog on google and read a few of your other Braves posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future. G’day!
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]]> By: Andrew Spicer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83021 Andrew Spicer Sun, 04 May 2008 18:50:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83021 Leyland said that in his tirade he focused on one particular thing the team was doing that was making him angry. I had the impression that it had to do with working their at bats instead of having weak first-pitch outs. Does the data show a marked increase in pitches per at bat after that game in Chicago? It still wouldn't prove anything, but... Leyland said that in his tirade he focused on one particular thing the team was doing that was making him angry. I had the impression that it had to do with working their at bats instead of having weak first-pitch outs.

Does the data show a marked increase in pitches per at bat after that game in Chicago? It still wouldn’t prove anything, but…

]]> By: Lee Panas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83010 Lee Panas Sun, 04 May 2008 16:57:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83010 Greg, don't hesitate to state your reasons. As a stat person, I would like to hear your reasons why you think Granderson might make Polanco and Ordonez better hitters. It could lead to a productive discussion. Some of your ideas might even be testable using the retrosheet databases. Greg, don’t hesitate to state your reasons. As a stat person, I would like to hear your reasons why you think Granderson might make Polanco and Ordonez better hitters. It could lead to a productive discussion. Some of your ideas might even be testable using the retrosheet databases.

]]> By: greg http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83009 greg Sun, 04 May 2008 16:35:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83009 I can think of numerous ways Granderson makes the Polanco and Ordonez better, at least a dozen. Countless baseball players swear these things make a huge difference, but I hesitate to expound on them, as historically, stat people have knee-jerk reactions to such ideas that can't be 'proven' or are difficult/impossible to quantify statistically. The assumption is, if you can't prove it statistically, it doesn't exist. I can think of numerous ways Granderson makes the Polanco and Ordonez better, at least a dozen. Countless baseball players swear these things make a huge difference, but I hesitate to expound on them, as historically, stat people have knee-jerk reactions to such ideas that can’t be ‘proven’ or are difficult/impossible to quantify statistically.

The assumption is, if you can’t prove it statistically, it doesn’t exist.

]]> By: Ken from Cincinnati http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83006 Ken from Cincinnati Sun, 04 May 2008 15:59:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83006 Kathy, I'm pretty sure that Cabrera has been hitting at a .300 clip since the "refocus" talk, or close to it. I would have to say that's at least marginally better than squat. I would like to see him belting homers more regularly, especially today against the twins. I don't want to be swept by those nerds. Kathy, I’m pretty sure that Cabrera has been hitting at a .300 clip since the “refocus” talk, or close to it. I would have to say that’s at least marginally better than squat. I would like to see him belting homers more regularly, especially today against the twins. I don’t want to be swept by those nerds.

]]> By: Eric Cioe http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83005 Eric Cioe Sun, 04 May 2008 15:50:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83005 Chris - I agree. I see Granderson and Cabrera as the 3-4 hitters once Sheffield and Magglio are gone. Chris – I agree. I see Granderson and Cabrera as the 3-4 hitters once Sheffield and Magglio are gone.

]]> By: Chris http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83004 Chris Sun, 04 May 2008 15:26:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83004 As a kind of good problem, Granderson has become too good of a power hitter to continue hitting leadoff for his career. I see him moving into the 3-spot in the years ahead. As a kind of good problem, Granderson has become too good of a power hitter to continue hitting leadoff for his career. I see him moving into the 3-spot in the years ahead.

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83003 Kathy Sun, 04 May 2008 13:15:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83003 Ever since Leland got on Cabrera about focusing at every at-bat, he hasn't done squat. So far, it's backfired, but maybe it will come to fruition or maybe Leland should just concentrate on his horses that he's having groomed to race. Ever since Leland got on Cabrera about focusing at every at-bat, he hasn’t done squat. So far, it’s backfired, but maybe it will come to fruition or maybe Leland should just concentrate on his horses that he’s having groomed to race.

]]> By: Tony http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83001 Tony Sun, 04 May 2008 12:51:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-83001 Well, Polanco and Ordonez in particular are going to be more effective with a man on first who is a threat to steal. The first baseman has to hold the runner, and for a right-handed batter, the second baseman is assigned to cover the bag in case of a steal. That opens up a huge hole on the right side of the infield, which is where they like to punch the ball. I would think that teams are catching on to this and sending the SS to cover, thus inducing this maddening number of DP started at the 2nd baseman. Well, Polanco and Ordonez in particular are going to be more effective with a man on first who is a threat to steal. The first baseman has to hold the runner, and for a right-handed batter, the second baseman is assigned to cover the bag in case of a steal. That opens up a huge hole on the right side of the infield, which is where they like to punch the ball. I would think that teams are catching on to this and sending the SS to cover, thus inducing this maddening number of DP started at the 2nd baseman.

]]> By: Lee Panas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-82996 Lee Panas Sun, 04 May 2008 03:59:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/how-much-of-the-offenses-success-is-attributable-to-granderson-and-leyland/#comment-82996 Bill, you are right that Granderson makes the team better because he's substantially better than the guy he was replacing. That's not a big mystery. As for the tirade, I think it might have helped a little, although there is absolutely no way that can be proven one way or the other. They were going to turn it around regardless but maybe Leyland got them going a little quicker. It's not like they were going to play crappy all year if he hadn't said anything though. Bill, you are right that Granderson makes the team better because he’s substantially better than the guy he was replacing. That’s not a big mystery.

As for the tirade, I think it might have helped a little, although there is absolutely no way that can be proven one way or the other. They were going to turn it around regardless but maybe Leyland got them going a little quicker. It’s not like they were going to play crappy all year if he hadn’t said anything though.

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