Game 53: Tigers at Angels

by billfer on May 28, 2008 · 188 comments

in 2008 Season,Game Post

PREGAME: Detroit tries to avoid being swept and moving 11 games below .500. Oy.

Armando Galarraga against Joe Saunders.

Notes from Jason Beck include that Curtis Granderson is going to play against more lefties, starting tonight. Also Marcus Thames is the full time starting left fielder for the time being because he’s earned it over the last couple years. Make of that what you will. And Carlos Guillen gets the day off, and tomorrow, to take care of some “issues” if you know what I mean.

The Tigers lineup tonight is:

  1. Granderson, CF
  2. Polanco, 2B
  3. Thames, LF
  4. Ordonez, DH
  5. Cabrera, 1B
  6. Rodriguez, C
  7. Renteria, SS
  8. Inge, 3B
  9. Raburn, RF

DET @ LAA, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

POSTGAME: I’m sleepy. Offense – good. You go Marcus Thames. Pitching – good. Galarraga had a shaky first inning and was helped by a double play and a diving play. Then it was cruise control until the 9th. Defense – good. See aforementioned diving play and add 2 more double plays.

Ladies and gentlemen: Your 4th place Tigers!

 
 

{ 188 comments }

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Why is Thames batting third? Oh crimeny, this team will be the death of me!

Tbone May 28, 2008 at 9:25 pm

Bring on the pain, I say! The only thing we haven’t seen yet this dreadful season is a blown save from TJ. Let’s remind ourselves again the magnitude of ugly we have created:

1-27 in games scoring less than 5 runs.

A whopping 3 (count ‘em 3!) runs plated in the last 33 innings after scoring 19 in the first 5 on Saturday night.

I wouldn’t miss tonight’s game for anything. Go Tigers!

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 9:41 pm

I wonder what Billfer mean by “issues.” I feel I have a right to know.

The news about Thames is good. I like the lineup. Thames is golden with men on. Not so much otherwise.

#6 is just a typo on Billfer’s part, I’m pretty sure. Maybe just a Freudian slip – that guy used to play for the Tigers, right?

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 9:42 pm

I wonder what Billfer mean by “issues.” I feel I have a right to know.

The news about Thames is good. I like the lineup. Thames is golden with men on. Not so much otherwise.

#6 is just a typo on Billfer’s part, I’m pretty sure. Maybe just a Freudian slip – that guy used to play for the Tigers, right?

Kurt May 28, 2008 at 9:43 pm

I have a feeling we won’t see Guillen “sitting” the bench any time soon.

Neal May 28, 2008 at 9:47 pm

I think Joyce just lost it, and Thames hasn’t been horrible. It looks like the Tigers have decided that they will stay in house and see what happens.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 9:50 pm

Okay, Tigers, you get one hour to win me over tonight. You can’t expect me to miss WGN’s reruns of Scrubs episodes I’ve seen a dozen times for just anything.

Vince in MN May 28, 2008 at 9:54 pm

I am sure Billfer’s note on Guillen was a misprint. What he meant to say was that Guillen “has to take care of some tissues.”

That’s some “drastic” lineup for tonight’s game.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Now more than ever, Carlos Guillen is a stand up guy.

Neal May 28, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Scrubs, maybe they have an espisode about roids on tonight.

Kyle J May 28, 2008 at 9:57 pm

I’m pleased Marcus Thames is finally being freed, but do we have to reserve Sheffield’s #3 spot for him? Over a full season, you cost Cabrera roughly 36 plate appearances by batting him 5th rather than 3rd.

Also pleased that Grandy’s going to play against lefties. That has to happen eventually.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Nice, Vince.

I the Tigers bats are due for coming alive tonight. It’s not like they’re going up against the Royals or anything. Granderson has to start it off with a leadoff homer. Has he ever done this vs. a lefty?

Chris May 28, 2008 at 10:01 pm

Why is Guillen the butt of all the jokes lately?

Man, just when we thought things were tough with red-hot opposing pitchers, in comes the hottest of them all: Joe Saunders. This is the worst team to run into at the worst time. That pitching staff is unbelievable right now.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:03 pm

Sean — Umm… jeez… I saw him do it in spring training once…

I feel good about this game, though. This team was built to crush lefties!

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:04 pm

“Over a full season, you cost Cabrera roughly 36 plate appearances by batting him 5th rather than 3rd.”

That is a very good point. As much as I root for Thames at all times, Cabrera belongs at #3. (Now watch Thames win the #3 slot for keeps tonight.)

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:06 pm

That was clutch, Chris.

I guess you’re telling me it ain’t gonna happen, huh Dave? I’ll take a triple instead.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:09 pm

Granderson singles to left. Take that, Baseball Prospectus!

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:15 pm

Polanco K’s after Mario and Rod talked for five minutes about how he doesn’t do that. 1 on, 1 out

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:15 pm

Granderson is still batting (1-2) in my epoch, Dave, Nice to be able to peer into the future via DTW!

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm

Thames homers (!), making me look like an idiot. 2-0!

Tbone May 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm

As Rod likes to call him: “Country Strong!”

Kyle J May 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm

You don’t usually see two lineup moves payoff that quickly.

Jeff May 28, 2008 at 10:19 pm

Nice job Marcus . . .

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Thames homers, making me look like a genius. Marcus!!

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:24 pm

Three singles in a row and Maggs scores. Saunders has thrown almost 30 pitches.

Tbone May 28, 2008 at 10:27 pm

What a nice first inning – 3 off of Saunders already who is sporting a 2.31 ERA and 30 + pitches.

Brandon nearly made it 6-0.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:29 pm

Thanks a lot, Saunders, my fantasy team’s stats for the night shall be ruined

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:31 pm

Gallaraga walks slugging machine Reggie Willits on four straight pitches

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:31 pm

A good game for Pudge would even accounts for us nicely, Dave. And I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the updates, living here on Mars (did I hear a loud noise here the other day? Nah. Couldn’ta been.) Not only does it help me, this kind of thing also helps keep the game thread in context for those who read through later. Much obliged, my friend!

Sky May 28, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Sorry to feel it but I think these 3 runs will not mean anything at the end of the night….anyone else feel that way?

Sky May 28, 2008 at 10:32 pm

Sweet double play though!

Sky May 28, 2008 at 10:34 pm

Regardless of feelings….let’s hope for the best!

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:34 pm

Double play, complete with a Polanco teeth-clench! Armando sure lucked out there

UPDATE: Awesome diving Granderson catch gets them out of the inning. A guy could get used to this Guillen-less defense.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Granderson seems on his game!…..That will make a difference!

billfer May 28, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Baseball’s a funny game. Saunders fans 3, but a couple ground balls find their way through the infield (yeah, I know he gave up a jack also). Galarraga walks a guy and allows to line drives but with no damage.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:38 pm

That double play’s gotta feel good, for them as well as us. Fire things up. Yeah.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:41 pm

Rod: “Wilson and Rawlings would be pleased to see the work of both teams the last few days. You see because those are the two largest manufacturers of gloves, and the defense of these teams has been outstanding”.

Thanks for the clarification, Rod.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:42 pm

The Tigers are due for some of this stuff to go their way, Billfer. They’ve been on the other side lately.

Tbone May 28, 2008 at 10:43 pm

They still need to score two more to have a chance…

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Rod would be in trouble if he tried to explain further, Dave. Unless baseball glove sales go up based on good defensive performances or something. Could be. : – )

cib May 28, 2008 at 10:46 pm

Nice roids lines, guys. I noticed this morning, starting with Tom Gage and on to the radio guys, everyone had stolen my original Preparation DH line. I guess it was too obvious. Poor Carlos. Now no matter what he does that’s what you think about. Oy!!

Well, gave up on the Wings and switched on the Tigers. Wow. I am going to stop watching for a while, I don’t want to jinx anything. See you all a bit later.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 10:46 pm

Brandon is such a relief at 3rd…..Guillen has been soooooooooo unpredictable but Inge makes them money in the bank.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 10:48 pm

Did you see that………..? Inge did another one!

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:50 pm

No, I’m fairly certain they stole it directly from you, cib. Jerks.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:50 pm

Could it be that Inge has snuck back into the starting lineup? I won’t tell if you don’t.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:53 pm

I hope so, Sean. In theory, we have the kind of offense that should be capable of supporting one all-defense/no-hit player

cib May 28, 2008 at 10:53 pm

Thanks Dave, I do wonder if any of the writers lurk on this blog.

I’m trying not to watch but I do agree that it’s good to see Brandon playing third.

Now lets get those 12 runs we need to make me feel confident. . . .

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 10:55 pm

Saunders is in a groove now. Aside from two bad innings in the last three days, Angels starters have been phenomenal

Dylan May 28, 2008 at 10:57 pm

I almost guarantee some of the writers read this blog.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Not a game goes by with Inge at 3B, especially of late, where I don’t see positive comments on it here. Leyland has got to see it, and you know the pichers see it. The team has got to see it. I think it’s a fait accompli.

Ah, I’ve been waiting to use that one.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:01 pm

I almost guarantee the Tigers will win. (Kidding, Dylan.)

Saunders in a groove is not good. We can’t have a repeat of the pattern of the last 2 games. Score early and die. OK, one game.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:01 pm

A couple months of the Cabrera/Guillen 3B tandem has provided a healthy dose of perspective

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:03 pm

Apparently Willits is a fan of Kenny Lofton, which is fitting since they are the exact same player

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:03 pm

The Tigers need to do something to get Saunders OUT of his groove. Something unexpected. Run out in front of a pitch and get hit. Fall down and feign seizures. Do something DIFFERENT, guys.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:05 pm

Experience has shown that we really need about a five run differential to make a game bullpen-proof

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:07 pm

How is Galaragga? Better than last time?

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:07 pm

Brandon Wood misses first base by about a foot, and Renteria gets on first on the error. An honest to god baserunner, guys!

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:10 pm

I think Renteria leads the Tigers in reaching on errors (seriously). Interesting.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:12 pm

One thing that would help Sean is to swing the bat at strikes..especially with 2 strikes and pitches close.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Galarraga has definitely looked better than last time. He just struck out two in a 1-2-3 inning

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Sky – Tigers not looking good at the plate again, I take it? How can a team like his sputter offensively for so long? What gives?

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:16 pm

Aren’t you watching, Sean? Gallaraga looks sharp………very sharp.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:18 pm

They did score 3 runs and had a nice 1st inning, Sean. But nothing since. They have done that a lot this year.Why? If someone only knew!

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:19 pm

AG getting stronger as the game goes on? He did, in fact, recover fairly well from one horrible inning last time out.

Is he at 83 pitches yet?

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:21 pm

No, I can’t watch, Sky. No TV, no satellite, no high-speed Internet, living in the sticks and far from Detroit.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:22 pm

Galarraga’s at 45 pitches, 31 strikes.

Placido with a ground-rule double

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:22 pm

OH MY LORD Thames homers again! 5-0.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:23 pm

Sean, Polly doubled…Thames just hit his 2nd homer…..5-0…Light is shining here in So Cal!

Tbone May 28, 2008 at 11:24 pm

Country Strong delivers again!

And they have their 5 runs to give them a fair chance…

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:24 pm

Billfer, I really think there’s something worth looking into about the Tigers scoring early and then going to sleep. Maybe just a test of that perception. Maybe it’s false, but it sure seems true. Why does it happen, what does it mean? Besides a losing record.

Jon Reynolds May 28, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Are the Tigers going to find a way to loose again tonight?

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:25 pm

BTW, the Royals somehow lost again, so right now we are all alone in fourth place. Fourth place! Party!!

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Makes you think that if Thames had been batting 3rd all year we might be above .500, and Sheffield may not have a job when he gets back.

Jon Reynolds May 28, 2008 at 11:27 pm

The Pistons pull to within 3! Man must be nice to be behind and think your team is going to win…

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:27 pm

See, all I have to do is whine and complain. Country Strong – I love it! I’m rarely prescient (though that’s on purpose, of course), but Thames is delivering for me tonight.

Thames is my Tiger.

jason May 28, 2008 at 11:27 pm

I just tuned in… I like the looks of our new 3rd hitter. :)

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Let’s see if this works:

Why is Renteria batting seventh? Oh crimeny, this team will be the death of me!

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:31 pm

Thames is just outrageous with men on, has been all year. His men-on OPS must be at about 1.500 by now. I’m not kidding. (Inge was at 1.115 not so long ago).

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:32 pm

Hope it works, Dave. Good thinking.

Tigers are going to make me late for work again. In a better cause this time, I hope.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Thames was at 1.011 with men on before today. Obviously it’s going to be a bit higher now.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:33 pm

Sean….I hate to ask again. What does OPS mean?

Jeff May 28, 2008 at 11:33 pm

cib, one from the memory banks: During the 1980 World Series when George Brett had a similar problem to Guillen, WRIF’s George “Dick the Bruiser” Baier referred to KC’s solution as “Preparation DH”. Great minds . . .

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:34 pm

And… Renteria reaches on an error! Right?

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:34 pm

I thought I knew so much….but this OPS stat is one I have never heard of….

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Sky – On-base percentage plus slugging percentage. A truer measure of overall hitting prowess than average or slugging alone.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:35 pm

Saunders out, Speier in.

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:36 pm

Here’s another thought…if Gallaraga is still shutting them out after 7…..does Leyland bring in relief? Why? What will it mean is going to happen? Just thinking ahead…………..

Sky May 28, 2008 at 11:38 pm

Thanks, Sean. It is interesting to learn, but I never had known of it. Makes sense too.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:39 pm

The Tigers are out after 8 pitches. They must have been double parked or something.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:40 pm

Uh-oh. Reliever in, Dave? Time for some BP against a bullpen, for a change. That would be the icing on the cake, and I DO want more runs in any case. Got a real complex about this now.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:43 pm

Yes, Armando, walk Brandon Wood. You don’t want to have to deal with that magic bat.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:43 pm

If AG can shut out the Angels to end a 4 game skid, he’s got to be in like Flynn. 5 straight qualty starts, one from each guy? Please, let it be so.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:45 pm

Sorry, 3 game.

Sky, I didn’t know about OPS as recently as 2006, so don’t feel bad. You’ll catch up quick around here.

tiff May 28, 2008 at 11:48 pm

Sean I didn’t want to be the one to say it (regarding quality starts)…

I’m kind of hoping this team will be bizzaro 2007 team. Suck before the All Star break and then go on a tear after it. It’s pretty much my only hope right now…

Can’t stay up for the rest, will dream of good results. Night!

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:50 pm

I want a shutout. In other words, I want 9 from Galaragga, even if he has to throw 150 pitches. But how will that make Bonderman feel?

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:54 pm

tiff

I’m hoping this will be the bizarro 2006 team. They were 74-34 at the high water mark, i believe, and finished 22-32. Boy, something strikes me about those last 2 numbers.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Thames hits a sacrifice fly to move Granderson to third. Two on, one out. Ordonez gets the intentional walk.

Seriously, Thames has nearly hit four home runs tonight.

Adam May 28, 2008 at 11:56 pm

Cabs up with bases loaded one out. Booyah.

Dave BW May 28, 2008 at 11:57 pm

Cabrera sac flies Granderson home. 6-0. Very nearly had a grand slam, there.

Sean C. in Illinois May 28, 2008 at 11:59 pm

Eerie lack of updates. Getting dark, cold. Spooky.

I fear the worst. Cruceta -miraculously available – came in, and now Seay is pitching in the bottom of the 12th.

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:01 am

“Cruceta -miraculously available – came in, and now Seay is pitching in the bottom of the 12th.”

What can I say, Sean, Leyland had a hunch :)

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:02 am

Thanks, guys, So fear and pessimism must be the key. Our good vibes last night cost Detroit one in the W column.

Mike R May 29, 2008 at 12:03 am

WHAT IS LEYLAND THINKING?! GALARRAGA’S ARM IS GOING TO FALL OFF, HE’S ALMOST AT 70 PITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sky May 29, 2008 at 12:04 am

Sean………you didn’t tell me if you are seeing this game…..or following online……..2 outs in bottom 7

Gallaraga pitching like Walter Johnson

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:04 am

You mean the hunch about Thames, Dave? Yeah, we’ve gotta give him credit for that.

Almost 4 HRs. Tell me, were men on every AB for him tonight?

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:05 am

Joyce replaces Thames.

Anderson pops out to Polanco.

Hunter K’s swinging.

Last night’s hero Matthews up.
EDIT: Matthews grounds out. Armando through 7 at 77 pitches.

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:05 am

Nevermind, doublepost

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:07 am

Sky – I did tell you. Go back. Short version: No, I can’t watch the game.

Dave, sorry, saw your post in partial form at first, with only the Leyland statement. I getcha now.

Sky May 29, 2008 at 12:07 am

Seven innings gone…….We don’t need relief pitchers tonight!

I remember in the 60′s when all starters went all 9 innings even after giving up several runs. I know the game is different now..but why take someone out who is doing well…….like Bonderman last night?

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:10 am

Mario and Rod are now talking about Mario’s days as a dart-thrower in college.

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:10 am

I’m happy for Armando, for Marcus, for all the Tigers. Come on guys, don’t let up. These times call for a beatdown.

greg May 29, 2008 at 12:11 am

Mike R – LOL – Galaragga & 70 pitches

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:12 am

Do NOT tell me Leyland brings someone else in for the 8th. And be gentle if you do.

cib May 29, 2008 at 12:13 am

Sky, I’m with you. Let ‘em pitch til they keel over!!!

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:15 am

Hey Mike R, you’ve gotta give Jim some credit for the sweet call on Thames at #3. Right?

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:15 am

This game has not been Ryan Raburn’s finest offensive performance

cib May 29, 2008 at 12:17 am

This is what’s aggravating. Renteria exhibits some baserunning skills and still gets stranded at third. Kiss of death.

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:19 am

Uh oh, Galarraga has allowed a baserunner. It’s probably time to take him out, Jim

Mike R May 29, 2008 at 12:20 am

I don’t know how much of a call it was. Thames normally plays against LH hitters and with Guillen out, you’ve got Inge on the infield somewhere (catcher, or, 3B like it is tonight) and your other option is Matt Joyce — a LH — to play the corner spot.

I mean, it’s worked out but I think he would’ve played even if Guillen were healthy. I do like that he’s going to Granderson to play against more LHP rather than not giving him AB’s against lefties and saying “he needs to learn to hit them.”

Edit: could have gone with Raburn but he normally likes Thames’ power when one of his big sticks (guillen and sheffield in this care) aren’t playing.

Tbone May 29, 2008 at 12:20 am

AG still pitching in the 8th!

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:22 am

Inge masterminds another double play!

Slashpyne May 29, 2008 at 12:24 am

could…not…stay…away…
I know what a liability Inge is on offense, but I bet the starting pitchers love his D. Nice DP!

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:24 am

Through 8 at 91 pitches.

PLEASE START HIM IN THE NINTH.

cib May 29, 2008 at 12:26 am

Amen Adam.

And Slashpyne, I wonder if the starters will band together and hide Carlos’s Prep H so that Brandon can stay at third. Are you reading this, Tigers starters???

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:27 am

Yeah, Mike, but I wouldn’t have been to surprised to see Thames at #7 and Renteria at #3. Outcomes are unpredictable when you use a Ouija board. Bringing in Cruceta last night was brought to you by Magic 8-Ball. I’m onto him now.

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:31 am

Good one, cib. How’s about a nice wedgie, Carlos?

A DP involving the third baseman? Have there been any without Inge in 2008?

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:33 am

“could…not…stay…away…”

Same here, Slashpyne. Boy am I gonna pay a price for this.

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:34 am

Yay!

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:35 am

Galarraga going for the complete game… 1 out

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:36 am

Two more, come on Armando!

Mike R May 29, 2008 at 12:36 am

Haha, Sean, I’m getting what you’re saying. Obviously him hitting 3rd tonight worked out. However, this one instance does not undo any other instances (like, the month+ where Sheff couldn’t lift a bat) in which he put an inferior hitter in the 3 spot.

cib May 29, 2008 at 12:37 am

Maybe that old dog Leyland learned some new tricks after the past two nights. Let the man pitch!!!

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:37 am

Oh no, Jim’s gonna pull him. DON’T PULL HIM!

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:37 am

AG walks Willits for the second time. Todd Jones is warming up.

EDIT: Maicer Izturis hits his first homer of the year. 6-2

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:38 am

Ohhhh….now you can pull him.

Kevin in Austin May 29, 2008 at 12:38 am

Wait Leyland, doesn’t a walk = a “no brainer?”

cib May 29, 2008 at 12:38 am

OK, maybe we were all a little bit wrong. Let’s get out of this, I need some sleep.

Kevin in Austin May 29, 2008 at 12:39 am

so much for that.

Joey the K in Portland OR May 29, 2008 at 12:39 am

ok how many times have we given up a weak hitting players first homer of the year this season?

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:40 am

And out comes Galarraga. It’s Todd Jonestown Massacre time!

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:41 am

Everyone ready for the THIRD WALKOFF WIN IN A ROW!!!?!?!

I know I AM! Seriously though, if that happens there’s a rope in my closet.

billfer May 29, 2008 at 12:41 am

This is a good move. When Galarraga starts to lose it, it goes really fast. With the heart of the lineup coming up, best not to mess around.

Slashpyne May 29, 2008 at 12:41 am

Thank God Leyland going to the bullpen. The blog would be
a-buzz tomorrow discussing this strange mysterious stat called a “CG”

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:41 am

Mike – I’m not sure what to blame the Sheffield thing on. He might have used a tampered-with Magic 8-Ball for that one.

Come on Armando!

greg May 29, 2008 at 12:42 am

It would be awfully difficult for a manager to make the wrong decision every single time.

greg May 29, 2008 at 12:43 am

That pop up would have fallen between Guillen and Renteria.

Mike R May 29, 2008 at 12:44 am

And Jones closes it out. This pitching change was a-ok by me.

Sean, he was throwing darts at a board full of results.

Dave BW May 29, 2008 at 12:44 am

A win! And a painless Jones performance.

Mike R May 29, 2008 at 12:45 am

I still don’t like how many fly balls Galarraga gives up, though.

Adam May 29, 2008 at 12:45 am

YAY FIVE QUALITY STARTS IN A ROW!!!

SHEFF IS ON THE DL! MARCUS IS STARTING! YAY! JOYCE AND HIS SOMBRERO ARE LEAVING! GRANDY IS GONNA PLAY MORE!

YAY!

You know, we might not have won the last two games, but I’d much rather lose like that than lose in the first inning.

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:46 am

CG? Oh, you mean our DH in waiting, right? Not sure what that has to do with pitching…

Tell me some good news please!

billfer May 29, 2008 at 12:48 am

Don’t know if anyone noticed, but Craig Monroe had a pinch hit 3 run homer in the 9th inning which sent the Twins to extra innings, and ultimately the win over the Royals.

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 12:49 am

Oh, I’m so glad they won. 6-2? Adam’s right, lots of good news right now. Sorry about Joyce, though.

Joey the K in Portland OR May 29, 2008 at 12:54 am

Bring on the M’s! Anyone else gonna be at Safeco for the series this year?

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 1:00 am

Tomorrow will be the first off day following a win for the Tigers this season. Also, nearly a third of their wins have come on Wednesdays.

Kathy May 29, 2008 at 1:01 am

I still can’t stop thinking about Carlos. Hope one of the reporters in the clubhouse asks how he’s feeling!! :)

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 1:04 am

Sorry, Kathy, but I’m all out of Carlos puns. Someone else will have to step up.

Chris May 29, 2008 at 1:07 am

Nice to finally have a win after losing three winnable games in a row.

We’re getting lucky with the Mariners. We will miss Eric Bedard who was lights-out against Boston tonight.

Slashpyne May 29, 2008 at 1:09 am

Joey the K (Kalamazoolian?),
I live in North Idaho and went to Safeco the last two years for the Tigs, but won’t make it this year.

ron May 29, 2008 at 1:21 am

Tigers come thru. No 0fer Motown tonite.

ron May 29, 2008 at 1:32 am

Better than prep H is ice, shrinks em right up in no time.

Chris May 29, 2008 at 1:40 am

Seeing the Angels intentionally walk Maggs in order to get to Cabrera was really quite telling. He definitely has not established himself as an offense threat at all in the AL. Having only 30 RBIs while batting 5th at this point is really not very scary for the opposing teams.

Do not fear Miggy. He’s not as good as he used to be.

Eric Cioe May 29, 2008 at 1:50 am

“Do not fear Miggy. He’s not as good as he used to be.”

Yet. I’ll buy you a ballpark beer if he finishes the year under .300 with fewer than 25 HR.

Mike R May 29, 2008 at 2:02 am

Chris: Magglio was BB’d because he’s been on fire (.359/.406/.598 with 10 doubles, 6 Homers April 23rd, coming into tonight). Miguel Cabrera is the lesser of two evils right now, which is not an indictment on what he’s done this year, rather, a praise of how hot Magglio’s been.

Coming into tonight, Miggy had been hitting .324/.366/.544 since May 17th, coming into tonight.

Kathy May 29, 2008 at 8:19 am

And sitz baths too, ron. Carlos should stay off his feet as much as possibe. Too much pressure, if you know what I mean, even as a “Preparation DH”.

greg May 29, 2008 at 8:38 am

Eric – he’s already on pace for 25 HR’s and 92 RBI’s as it is, and that’s with his supposed ‘pathetic’ play so far. If that’s struggling by Miggy’s standards, I can’t think of a higher compliment to his skills. If this is struggling, then holy *$&# batmat, when he gets hot you’ll see numbers never before produced on the diamond! At least a slight downtick was to be expected with the adjustment to AL pitching, but starting in June, he’ll face NL pitching with interleague play(4 for 11 with an HR and 2 Doubles vs. Arizona), and he’ll start seeing these AL pitchers for the 2nd and 3rd times.

Any rippping on Miggy’s hitting shouldn’t be taken seriously. How can it be? Obviously its just intended to get a reaction. It’s laying a trap, and I can hear trollish snickering with each response. I’d wager that most, if not ALL, Hall of Famers had a 2 month cross section a lot worse than Miggy’s current stretch.

Kyle J May 29, 2008 at 9:10 am

Don’t know if anyone noticed, but Craig Monroe had a pinch hit 3 run homer in the 9th inning which sent the Twins to extra innings, and ultimately the win over the Royals.

Joe P. has a great description of how Monroe’s homer went down:

http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/05/28/the-moment-before-the-pain/

cib May 29, 2008 at 9:39 am

Kyle thanks for the link. Joe P’s writing is so good and fun to read. I could almost feel the pain myself!

Kyle J May 29, 2008 at 9:51 am

Agreed, cib. I finally got around to buying/reading “The Soul of Baseball” (you can get the hardcover for $6 on amazon.com now). What a treat.

T Smith May 29, 2008 at 10:05 am

Not sure if anyone thought about the three hits Galarraga gave up going into the ninth; with a little better defense we’re looking at a possible no hitter at that point. The first couple hits seemed like they may have been in Santiago’s or Inge’s range.

Renteria’s range to his right is below average at best. Inge stepped it up and made some plays at third, which really only makes Renteria look older and tired playing next to him. Renteria’s range to his left appears better — but not sure if that’s just a subjective observation. The third hit was was one Polly gets nine times out of ten — can’t really fault him on that one. Just thought it was interesting that the defense had shots all three hits.

Chris in Dallas May 29, 2008 at 10:15 am

WTF? Why did the number in that ‘W’ column in the league standings increase for the Tigers? It must be a misprint.

Karl May 29, 2008 at 3:57 pm

any way we can hold a gun to leyland’s head to get cabrera batting third where he belongs? what’s the logic… don’t wanna pressure the guy? he makes $20mil a year and could be the best hitter in the league… i think he can handle the pressure.

Mark in Chicago May 29, 2008 at 4:04 pm

I think Leyland wants Cabrera batting 5th in order to protect Magglio. Logically, if we had another high-OBP guy (which would be Sheff, normally. Even injured his OBP was still pretty good) that sets things up for your best all-around hitter and raw power coming up with men on base.

Since Sheff is out, moving Guillen to the 3-spot is a reasonable move. Cabrera could go there, but I speculate Leyland is afraid he would clog the bases.

Chris in Dallas May 29, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Honestly, I think any combination of Senor Hemmorhoid, Ordonez and Fatty in 3-4-5 would work. Right now Guillen at 3 makes sense to me since Cabrera hasn’t exactly set the world on fire yet. I’m confident he will, though. OK maybe not confident. Hopeful is a better word. It could be a long 8 years with him…

Sean C. in Illinois May 29, 2008 at 4:55 pm

I want Thames batting 3rd.

No, really. I’m serious. At least against lefties. Or at least until he fails to have a 2-homer game.

I like Guillen #3 otherwise. It would be interesting to see Granderson there, but that is clearly not going to happen.

If they don’t start hitting with any consistency (the good kind), they may as well bat Inge or Pudge 3rd.

Chris in Dallas May 29, 2008 at 5:08 pm

Anyone care to look at the team’s record pre and post Neifi Perez? I think that is the pink elephant in the room that we’re all ignoring…

Mark in Chicago May 29, 2008 at 5:11 pm

Agree, Sean, Guillen in the third spot makes a ton of sense. He switch hits so he’s tough to go righty-lefty against out of the pen, he gets on base at a good clip, is a smart, though not especially fast baserunner and can drive in runs if there’s guy on in front of him. I’ve always thought he would be good in that role.

Although I was perfectly fine having Sheff at #3 last year while he was productive. He did a ton of damage in that spot in the first half last year before he got hurt. If he proves he’s healthy, I don’t mind seeing Sheff there.

Mark in Chicago May 29, 2008 at 5:19 pm

That is a frightening point, Chris.

greg May 29, 2008 at 5:33 pm

I think Chris in Dallas might be on to something. The lineup protection Neifi Perez provided is now missing, and the cascading lineup effects of his absence were too much for this offense to overcome, not to mention the chemistry he provided the entire team, now missing, his departure has lead to stagnant and lifeless clubhouse. This team has lost its way without Neifi providing the glue to hold them together.

Help us Neifi-won Perezi, you’re our only hope.

Chris in Dallas May 29, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Well, since I brought it up, the Tigs are a whopping 60-61 since the last time Neifi suited up. He was one fat little geeked up intangible, I’ll tell you what. Seriously, though, Guillen at #3 makes perfect sense. He’s a really good hitter, and the switch hitting thing does make it a little more difficult matchup-wise late in games for the opponent. Plus his back/neck hair is truly intimidating. Which, in a roundabout way, brings me to another point. This team has too many right handed hitters. Historically, even. When was the last time they had a true masher from the left side?

greg May 29, 2008 at 5:40 pm

Last year – Sean Casey

Mark in Chicago May 29, 2008 at 5:50 pm

hmmmm, masher from the left side. Does Higginson count? probably not. Mickey Tettleton was a switch hitter.

Norm Cash? Ty Cobb?

that’s a good question, Chris, I really don’t know. Maybe they always felt they didn’t need one since the porch in right field at Tiger Stadium was so short. Or maybe it’s just one of those weird things, like goldfish named ‘fluffy’.

Chris in Dallas May 29, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Casey, though gregarious, does not qualify as a “masher”. Didn’t Matt Nokes hit lefty? He had that one good year. Higgy had his moments of mash-dom. Of course my all-time Tiger was a lefty, but not exactly a slugger. That being Lou Whitaker. Anyway this is a nice discussion. It’s distracting me from the severe hemmorhoid flare-up that has been the 2008 Tigers.

T Smith May 29, 2008 at 6:25 pm

Left handed mashers?

Al Kaline and Norm Cash come to mind….more recently? Hmmm… Kirk Gibson maybe…. but I don’t think Bobby Higginson counts.

Mark in Chicago May 29, 2008 at 6:59 pm

Kaline was right-handed at the plate. Gibby had 5 straight years where he hit between 25-29 HR, but the highest he ever finished was 7th in the league. Very iffy to call that a “masher”

Nokes had one good year with 32 HR, but never came close to approaching that again. This is an interesting question, I don’t think anybody mentioned outside of Norm Cash is really in consideration.

greg May 29, 2008 at 11:19 pm

I was kidding, Casey is a good guy, but a masher he is not.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 10:04 am

Very interesting comments on the lefty masher thing. I have nothing to add it but a question: Are the Tigers unique in this regard, or have other teams also show(ed) the same imbalance, either currently or traditionally?

The Tigers have had plenty of lefty pitching in recent years. It’s fun (even if pointless) to consider that, had things worked out slightly differently, the Tigers could have an all-southpaw starting rotation. Rogers, Willis, Robertson, Maroth, Miller. At least they could be an answer to a trivia question.

Sean C. in Illinois May 30, 2008 at 10:08 am

So you think Neifi Perez is missed? I won’t dispute that, but I’ll tell you one move that has really come back to haunt the Tigers: Letting go of Jose Mesa.

I just know, deep down inside, Jose would have gotten it done against the Angels. It was such a bitter pill to swallow when they let him go last year.

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