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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/game-50-twins-at-tigers/#comment-86375</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, Mike R., I knew about Cabrera&#039;s better men-on OPS. I don&#039;t want to say any more about Cabrera for fear of inflaming the non-debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Mike R., I knew about Cabrera&#8217;s better men-on OPS. I don&#8217;t want to say any more about Cabrera for fear of inflaming the non-debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/game-50-twins-at-tigers/#comment-86374</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny stuff, Gritt Clutchington. Every picture I&#039;ve seen of Bud Selig proves the hypocrisy of his anti-corpse-reanimation statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny stuff, Gritt Clutchington. Every picture I&#8217;ve seen of Bud Selig proves the hypocrisy of his anti-corpse-reanimation statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 00:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cabrera would indeed be average, were there only 30 or so players in baseball.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cabrera would indeed be average, were there only 30 or so players in baseball.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Chris, by your definition there are only 16 or fewer above average hitters in the American Leauge.  Because Cabrera is 17th in OPS.  Do you have any concept of an average player?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Chris, by your definition there are only 16 or fewer above average hitters in the American Leauge.  Because Cabrera is 17th in OPS.  Do you have any concept of an average player?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 22:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cabrera will tear it up, no doubt, but after 50 games he’s still one of the more culpable ones in the Tigers’ failure to plate runners.&quot;

almost 50 games into Cabrera&#039;s career as a Tiger and what have we seen:

He is an average hitter overall.

He is terrible hitter with RISP.

He has average-to-marginal HR power.

He can&#039;t field his position. 


The guy just sucks. The Tigers should get rid of him before the league realizes that he is grossly overrated. When that happens, his trade value will plunge to zero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cabrera will tear it up, no doubt, but after 50 games he’s still one of the more culpable ones in the Tigers’ failure to plate runners.&#8221;</p>
<p>almost 50 games into Cabrera&#8217;s career as a Tiger and what have we seen:</p>
<p>He is an average hitter overall.</p>
<p>He is terrible hitter with RISP.</p>
<p>He has average-to-marginal HR power.</p>
<p>He can&#8217;t field his position. </p>
<p>The guy just sucks. The Tigers should get rid of him before the league realizes that he is grossly overrated. When that happens, his trade value will plunge to zero.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/game-50-twins-at-tigers/#comment-86203</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Sean in Chicago you give the .655 OPS Miggy has with RISP, I&#039;ll give you his &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=cabremi01&amp;year=2008#situa-bases&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;.876 OPS with men on&lt;/a&gt;. Small samples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Sean in Chicago you give the .655 OPS Miggy has with RISP, I&#8217;ll give you his <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/bsplit.cgi?n1=cabremi01&amp;year=2008#situa-bases" rel="nofollow">.876 OPS with men on</a>. Small samples.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/game-50-twins-at-tigers/#comment-86202</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pitcher&#039;s don&#039;t go 8 Innings for Leyland (no matter what he says) and he loves the same 1-2 relievers out of the bullpen no matter what. Ask Jason Grilli. But he also loves to hang dudes out to dry on the mound. Ask just about every reliever we&#039;ve had since he&#039;s taken over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitcher&#8217;s don&#8217;t go 8 Innings for Leyland (no matter what he says) and he loves the same 1-2 relievers out of the bullpen no matter what. Ask Jason Grilli. But he also loves to hang dudes out to dry on the mound. Ask just about every reliever we&#8217;ve had since he&#8217;s taken over.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 15:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Has it been Leyland’s (and maybe Hernandez’s) MO all along, this no guy warming up in the pen when X is in trouble, or is it new?&quot;

This has been the case since Leyland took over, as far as I can recall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Has it been Leyland’s (and maybe Hernandez’s) MO all along, this no guy warming up in the pen when X is in trouble, or is it new?&#8221;</p>
<p>This has been the case since Leyland took over, as far as I can recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Gritt Clutchington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gritt Clutchington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 09:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who needs to warm up pitchers when you have Managers like Leyland? It&#039;s all but been confirmed that he practices black magic that uses necromancy to give his team an unfair advantage. The fact that Detroit has only last the games it has is a testament to how quickly Jim can raise these guys from the dead.

http://grittyandclutch.blogspot.com/2008/05/bud-selig-accusations-of-necromancy.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who needs to warm up pitchers when you have Managers like Leyland? It&#8217;s all but been confirmed that he practices black magic that uses necromancy to give his team an unfair advantage. The fact that Detroit has only last the games it has is a testament to how quickly Jim can raise these guys from the dead.</p>
<p><a href="http://grittyandclutch.blogspot.com/2008/05/bud-selig-accusations-of-necromancy.html" rel="nofollow">http://grittyandclutch.blogspo.....mancy.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an innocent question (actually more than one), so don&#039;t flame me to a crisp, now.

Has it been Leyland&#039;s (and maybe Hernandez&#039;s) MO all along, this no guy warming up in the pen when X is in trouble, or is it new? If it&#039;s not new, I have to ask: Do you HAVE to have a guy warming up in the pen when there&#039;s trouble with the current reliever? If you do, then once the bullpen is in, shouldn&#039;t somebody else be warming up just in case for the whole rest of the game? A pitcher can lose it at any given point. Could it be that Leyland puts the guy in he expects to get it done that whole inning, no &quot;we&#039;ll see how he does against this guy&quot; about it? How long does a guy have to warm up in the pen anyway? Why wouldn&#039;t a team have the available bullpen guys staying loose all game? Would it kill their expensive arms to throw a baseball once in a while over the course of 3 hours?

I&#039;m just trying to understand, not defending Leyland. But I do wonder why I never see questions from the press or answers from Leyland on this matter. It seems quite controversial among devoted and knowledgeable fans here.

Feel free to think of me as stupid, but direct your comments to the questions, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an innocent question (actually more than one), so don&#8217;t flame me to a crisp, now.</p>
<p>Has it been Leyland&#8217;s (and maybe Hernandez&#8217;s) MO all along, this no guy warming up in the pen when X is in trouble, or is it new? If it&#8217;s not new, I have to ask: Do you HAVE to have a guy warming up in the pen when there&#8217;s trouble with the current reliever? If you do, then once the bullpen is in, shouldn&#8217;t somebody else be warming up just in case for the whole rest of the game? A pitcher can lose it at any given point. Could it be that Leyland puts the guy in he expects to get it done that whole inning, no &#8220;we&#8217;ll see how he does against this guy&#8221; about it? How long does a guy have to warm up in the pen anyway? Why wouldn&#8217;t a team have the available bullpen guys staying loose all game? Would it kill their expensive arms to throw a baseball once in a while over the course of 3 hours?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just trying to understand, not defending Leyland. But I do wonder why I never see questions from the press or answers from Leyland on this matter. It seems quite controversial among devoted and knowledgeable fans here.</p>
<p>Feel free to think of me as stupid, but direct your comments to the questions, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points, Mike, and I figured the comparison with Joyce might be a little unfair. But NL pitchers also had a big book on Miguel, and couldn&#039;t do much with it. Unfamiliar coaching, defensive distractions, and the pressure of being the new Franchise Guy on an expected winner might be affecting him, too, although maybe it&#039;s a stretch to apply those last 2 to any given plate appearance. 

As far as small sample size for OPS/BA with RISP goes: It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t expect Cabrera&#039;s numbers to go up. It&#039;s that I find them disappointing &lt;i&gt;so far&lt;/i&gt;. These are real results from real games, even if it&#039;s only been 2 months. 

Cabrera will tear it up, no doubt, but after 50 games he&#039;s still one of the more culpable ones in the Tigers&#039; failure to plate runners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, Mike, and I figured the comparison with Joyce might be a little unfair. But NL pitchers also had a big book on Miguel, and couldn&#8217;t do much with it. Unfamiliar coaching, defensive distractions, and the pressure of being the new Franchise Guy on an expected winner might be affecting him, too, although maybe it&#8217;s a stretch to apply those last 2 to any given plate appearance. </p>
<p>As far as small sample size for OPS/BA with RISP goes: It&#8217;s not that I don&#8217;t expect Cabrera&#8217;s numbers to go up. It&#8217;s that I find them disappointing <i>so far</i>. These are real results from real games, even if it&#8217;s only been 2 months. </p>
<p>Cabrera will tear it up, no doubt, but after 50 games he&#8217;s still one of the more culpable ones in the Tigers&#8217; failure to plate runners.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean in Illinois:
&lt;blockquote&gt;2 areas of disappointment with Miguel Cabrera:

POWER: Matt Joyce has the same “new league” problem. He has 5 HR. Cabrera has 7 in many more at bats.

RISP OPS: Only Granderson, Joyce, and Raburn are below Cabrera. Even woeful Sheffield tops him. Cabrera’s RISP batting average is .204, not much better than Sheffield, and again only 3 Tigers are worse.

This is just disappointment. He’s not a “bust.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Matt Joyce also doesn&#039;t have a book against him about what his strengths/weaknesses might be, and if there is one starting it certainly isn&#039;t pack with 4 years of trends and tendencies like Miggy&#039;s is. New league and many of these pitchers have faced him, however, they have the book on what he likes and what he doesn&#039;t like. 

That said, the rest of those splits are nice but incredibly small samples (as most splits are) and usually (especially in May) are still prone to large fluctuations one way or the other so I don&#039;t put much stock into his OPS in different situations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean in Illinois:</p>
<blockquote><p>2 areas of disappointment with Miguel Cabrera:</p>
<p>POWER: Matt Joyce has the same “new league” problem. He has 5 HR. Cabrera has 7 in many more at bats.</p>
<p>RISP OPS: Only Granderson, Joyce, and Raburn are below Cabrera. Even woeful Sheffield tops him. Cabrera’s RISP batting average is .204, not much better than Sheffield, and again only 3 Tigers are worse.</p>
<p>This is just disappointment. He’s not a “bust.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Matt Joyce also doesn&#8217;t have a book against him about what his strengths/weaknesses might be, and if there is one starting it certainly isn&#8217;t pack with 4 years of trends and tendencies like Miggy&#8217;s is. New league and many of these pitchers have faced him, however, they have the book on what he likes and what he doesn&#8217;t like. </p>
<p>That said, the rest of those splits are nice but incredibly small samples (as most splits are) and usually (especially in May) are still prone to large fluctuations one way or the other so I don&#8217;t put much stock into his OPS in different situations.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, what a beautiful day to be at the ballpark.  That one hurt because the Tigers were in it right up til Cruceta.  That was the killer.  Just keep going, Tigers!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, what a beautiful day to be at the ballpark.  That one hurt because the Tigers were in it right up til Cruceta.  That was the killer.  Just keep going, Tigers!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, where did my middle paragraph go? I was going to say:

If the Tigers are going to stumble to 77-85, they could make it more interesting for me by addressing some 2009 problems already this year. Getting a real third baseman, a real catcher, a real closer, and overhauling the starting rotation by degrees (how? I dunno). If not a real catcher, then ease Inge into the starting role already this year. Or play Inge somewhere everyday - the more you play him, the more tradable he gets. Maybe some gullible team can be induced to part with pitching for him. Lose Sheffield and put Guillen where he belongs and where he&#039;s going to end up in 2009, anyway. 

All that or something equally &quot;radical&quot; would be more entertaining than the show they&#039;re currently putting on. Win 19-3, lose 6-1. Sure, losing is never satisfying, but there are degrees of dissatisfaction with it.

Still glad I&#039;m not a Mariners fan, though. Go Tigers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, where did my middle paragraph go? I was going to say:</p>
<p>If the Tigers are going to stumble to 77-85, they could make it more interesting for me by addressing some 2009 problems already this year. Getting a real third baseman, a real catcher, a real closer, and overhauling the starting rotation by degrees (how? I dunno). If not a real catcher, then ease Inge into the starting role already this year. Or play Inge somewhere everyday &#8211; the more you play him, the more tradable he gets. Maybe some gullible team can be induced to part with pitching for him. Lose Sheffield and put Guillen where he belongs and where he&#8217;s going to end up in 2009, anyway. </p>
<p>All that or something equally &#8220;radical&#8221; would be more entertaining than the show they&#8217;re currently putting on. Win 19-3, lose 6-1. Sure, losing is never satisfying, but there are degrees of dissatisfaction with it.</p>
<p>Still glad I&#8217;m not a Mariners fan, though. Go Tigers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 01:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s hard to imagine the Tigers response to 21-29 being anything but &quot;stay the course and hope they step it up.&quot; I&#039;m less optimistic now than I was even at 14-20 that there is going to be a stepping up. It is easy to foresee more of the inconsistent, one step forward, one step back that we&#039;ve seen since 0-7.       
                                                                                 
I don&#039;t fault the Tigers&#039; off-season moves. I was looking forward to the offensive juggernaut. It ain&#039;t happening. I can only hope the Tigers don&#039;t decide that the plan only needed to &quot;marinate&quot; for a year, and then roll it out again in 2009. I hope there&#039;s more emphasis on pitching and defense next time, even if it takes parting with some of the offensive pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine the Tigers response to 21-29 being anything but &#8220;stay the course and hope they step it up.&#8221; I&#8217;m less optimistic now than I was even at 14-20 that there is going to be a stepping up. It is easy to foresee more of the inconsistent, one step forward, one step back that we&#8217;ve seen since 0-7.       </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t fault the Tigers&#8217; off-season moves. I was looking forward to the offensive juggernaut. It ain&#8217;t happening. I can only hope the Tigers don&#8217;t decide that the plan only needed to &#8220;marinate&#8221; for a year, and then roll it out again in 2009. I hope there&#8217;s more emphasis on pitching and defense next time, even if it takes parting with some of the offensive pieces.</p>
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