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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/game-41-tigers-at-royals/#comment-84762</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like the Mud Hens suggestions. Keep Ordonez, Polanco, Joyce, Raburn, Galaragga, and the bullpen. Send the rest down and bring up the Hens. Keep the Toledo Tigers as long as it takes to reach .500.

Then bring up the Seawolves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like the Mud Hens suggestions. Keep Ordonez, Polanco, Joyce, Raburn, Galaragga, and the bullpen. Send the rest down and bring up the Hens. Keep the Toledo Tigers as long as it takes to reach .500.</p>
<p>Then bring up the Seawolves.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason

We can&#039;t help looking that far ahead, but we should try not to. Let&#039;s hope the Tigers aren&#039;t. This team will be a lot of fun when it gets hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason</p>
<p>We can&#8217;t help looking that far ahead, but we should try not to. Let&#8217;s hope the Tigers aren&#8217;t. This team will be a lot of fun when it gets hot.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I have come to the conclusion that the Tigers are eliminated from the post-season in May. I have heard estimates that it takes 95 wins to be in the post season. Well, the Tigers would now have to go 79-42 the rest of the season to reach that.... good luck.

Even to get to 90 wins, they would need to go 74-47. Its not happening.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I will still watch these guys, just as I did when they lost 119 games, but I am no longer looking toward October baseball in 2008.

They will have some good games this year, but the organization better be looking toward next year, and how we can turn this around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I have come to the conclusion that the Tigers are eliminated from the post-season in May. I have heard estimates that it takes 95 wins to be in the post season. Well, the Tigers would now have to go 79-42 the rest of the season to reach that&#8230;. good luck.</p>
<p>Even to get to 90 wins, they would need to go 74-47. Its not happening.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I will still watch these guys, just as I did when they lost 119 games, but I am no longer looking toward October baseball in 2008.</p>
<p>They will have some good games this year, but the organization better be looking toward next year, and how we can turn this around.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calm down, guys! 16-25 with flat play is a huge disappointment, but a fire sale isn&#039;t the answer and isn&#039;t going to happen. As Mike R points out, the Tigers bought what was supposed to be a really nice house and now have a hefty mortgage. There might be cracks in the foundation or it might be just leaky faucets and other annoyances, but either way, you don&#039;t need to gut it to fix it, let alone burn it down.

I&#039;d settle for a bit of a shakeup. As bizarre as Leyland&#039;s personnel moves have been, they&#039;re not to blame for all-around poor play in every facet of the game. It could be, as Greg suggested, that Leyland just can&#039;t motivate this team anymore. His departure, perhaps voluntary, is the only headline news change I see happening this season if things continue to go so poorly for the Tigers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down, guys! 16-25 with flat play is a huge disappointment, but a fire sale isn&#8217;t the answer and isn&#8217;t going to happen. As Mike R points out, the Tigers bought what was supposed to be a really nice house and now have a hefty mortgage. There might be cracks in the foundation or it might be just leaky faucets and other annoyances, but either way, you don&#8217;t need to gut it to fix it, let alone burn it down.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d settle for a bit of a shakeup. As bizarre as Leyland&#8217;s personnel moves have been, they&#8217;re not to blame for all-around poor play in every facet of the game. It could be, as Greg suggested, that Leyland just can&#8217;t motivate this team anymore. His departure, perhaps voluntary, is the only headline news change I see happening this season if things continue to go so poorly for the Tigers.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 12:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen

I forgot about Humor In Uniform. Good one. Much more apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen</p>
<p>I forgot about Humor In Uniform. Good one. Much more apt.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 08:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Mike R, these contracts are like the noose to hang ourselves with. As soon as an organization ties themselves up with contract obligations, there becomes zero flexibility. I think we are beginning to see a turning of the tide in MLB where teams without big payrolls become younger, faster &amp; stocked full of good arms much sooner because they can get rid of poor performing and expensive vets. Oakland &amp; Florida are becoming model franchises in this realm. And the Yankees and Red Sox are truly the only teams successful at getting competitive with of top payroll teams. But I don&#039;t think they are that much more competitive. And teams such as the Mets haven&#039;t exactly set the world on fire in their two decades of being a top payroll franchise.

I&#039;m afraid that Dave Dombrowski has ruined the next 3-4 years for this team with his contract-happy/ farm depleting building of his fantasy-like baseball team. I look back at each and every signing and trade that was made last winter and now wish we could have all of them back-- with the possible exception of Miggy. Dombrowski should get fired and never get another GM position again. An absolute bust such as this team should forever ruin his reputation as a GM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Mike R, these contracts are like the noose to hang ourselves with. As soon as an organization ties themselves up with contract obligations, there becomes zero flexibility. I think we are beginning to see a turning of the tide in MLB where teams without big payrolls become younger, faster &amp; stocked full of good arms much sooner because they can get rid of poor performing and expensive vets. Oakland &amp; Florida are becoming model franchises in this realm. And the Yankees and Red Sox are truly the only teams successful at getting competitive with of top payroll teams. But I don&#8217;t think they are that much more competitive. And teams such as the Mets haven&#8217;t exactly set the world on fire in their two decades of being a top payroll franchise.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that Dave Dombrowski has ruined the next 3-4 years for this team with his contract-happy/ farm depleting building of his fantasy-like baseball team. I look back at each and every signing and trade that was made last winter and now wish we could have all of them back&#8211; with the possible exception of Miggy. Dombrowski should get fired and never get another GM position again. An absolute bust such as this team should forever ruin his reputation as a GM.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trading people is nice and all, but you guys aren&#039;t taking their contracts into the equation. Magglio has $18 for next year and then 2 option years for $15 million each.

Sheffield still has $14 million left on his deal after this year.

Carlos Guillen has $36 million left.

Nate Robertson has $17 million left after this year.

Willis has $22 million left after this year.

Bonderman has $25 million left after this year.

Polanco&#039;s is $4.6/year with most of this years contract left and $4.6 for next year.

Renteria has an $11 million club option next year.

If you&#039;re trading off huge contracts you do 1 of 2 things:

1) Take little in return, eat little of the contract.
2) Eat most of the contract, get more in return.

We&#039;re not going to eat, say, $18 million of Bonderman&#039;s remaining $25 million just to get &#039;a real 3B&#039; or outfielder or whatever else.

If a rebuilding process was just so simple as &quot;trading off so and so&quot; it wouldn&#039;t take teams like Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Cincinnati, or Detroit 10-15 years each to rebuild to being relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trading people is nice and all, but you guys aren&#8217;t taking their contracts into the equation. Magglio has $18 for next year and then 2 option years for $15 million each.</p>
<p>Sheffield still has $14 million left on his deal after this year.</p>
<p>Carlos Guillen has $36 million left.</p>
<p>Nate Robertson has $17 million left after this year.</p>
<p>Willis has $22 million left after this year.</p>
<p>Bonderman has $25 million left after this year.</p>
<p>Polanco&#8217;s is $4.6/year with most of this years contract left and $4.6 for next year.</p>
<p>Renteria has an $11 million club option next year.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re trading off huge contracts you do 1 of 2 things:</p>
<p>1) Take little in return, eat little of the contract.<br />
2) Eat most of the contract, get more in return.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not going to eat, say, $18 million of Bonderman&#8217;s remaining $25 million just to get &#8216;a real 3B&#8217; or outfielder or whatever else.</p>
<p>If a rebuilding process was just so simple as &#8220;trading off so and so&#8221; it wouldn&#8217;t take teams like Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Cincinnati, or Detroit 10-15 years each to rebuild to being relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Kzoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in Kzoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 07:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Chris that is what i said way up in about 1/3 of the page up.  Tigers firesale should happen if things stay the way they are.

Polanco - would miss him but one of the more consistent players and would get two nice B level prospects for him.

Sheff- release him is all i can say.

Bondo- Trade for much needed relief or a real 3B.  Maybe a A level prospect for him if he gets better?

Ordonez- maybe Im still not sure we should trade him.

Renteria- same way maybe he&#039;ll come around -if not then Trade for a nice OF or IF prospect B/A Level?

Pudge- not sure what we could get for this guy, maybe B level or two C level?

Nate/D-Train- unload for C level prospects maybe nate and willis for one guy just get them off our payload?

Finally I hate to say this but either Curtis or Miggy need to go.  If we want a true firesale with good prospects in return Curtis or Miggy will have to go in a package for good prospects.

FILL INS for rest of &#039;08

2B- Scott Sizemore- ripping AA up in erie last time I saw.
CF- not sure because I dont think Tigs will part ways. if so Raburn, Joyce
SP- Galarraga for bondo, Tata for Nate, and Fossum or a nice rising quite star Eddie Bonine for Willis.
LF- Matt Joyce hands down. Or Ryan Raburn.
DH- Guillen to DH no matter if he whines or not about it.
SS?-Santiago, great glove, showing promise with bat.
3B?- Well, not sure Hessman or Holliman could play there.
C- Inge cant do much worse then Pudge behind the plate.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Chris that is what i said way up in about 1/3 of the page up.  Tigers firesale should happen if things stay the way they are.</p>
<p>Polanco &#8211; would miss him but one of the more consistent players and would get two nice B level prospects for him.</p>
<p>Sheff- release him is all i can say.</p>
<p>Bondo- Trade for much needed relief or a real 3B.  Maybe a A level prospect for him if he gets better?</p>
<p>Ordonez- maybe Im still not sure we should trade him.</p>
<p>Renteria- same way maybe he&#8217;ll come around -if not then Trade for a nice OF or IF prospect B/A Level?</p>
<p>Pudge- not sure what we could get for this guy, maybe B level or two C level?</p>
<p>Nate/D-Train- unload for C level prospects maybe nate and willis for one guy just get them off our payload?</p>
<p>Finally I hate to say this but either Curtis or Miggy need to go.  If we want a true firesale with good prospects in return Curtis or Miggy will have to go in a package for good prospects.</p>
<p>FILL INS for rest of &#8217;08</p>
<p>2B- Scott Sizemore- ripping AA up in erie last time I saw.<br />
CF- not sure because I dont think Tigs will part ways. if so Raburn, Joyce<br />
SP- Galarraga for bondo, Tata for Nate, and Fossum or a nice rising quite star Eddie Bonine for Willis.<br />
LF- Matt Joyce hands down. Or Ryan Raburn.<br />
DH- Guillen to DH no matter if he whines or not about it.<br />
SS?-Santiago, great glove, showing promise with bat.<br />
3B?- Well, not sure Hessman or Holliman could play there.<br />
C- Inge cant do much worse then Pudge behind the plate.</p>
<p>Comments on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 06:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the question now is, should the Tigers go on a fire sale and try to trade some of these older players in order to unload big contracts and restock a depleted farm system? If any trend is emerging this season it is the formula of younger teams, with speed, good defense and good young pitching. Tigers unfortunately traded many of those pieces away in effort to put the team on the field that we see today.

Pollanco-- a good player who I would miss a lot, but the Tigers could get a lot for him from a contender

Ordonez-- Similar to Poly, Tigers could ask for a lot to a contender looking to add last year&#039;s batting champ to their lineup.

Sheffield-- Just unload the contract. Get rid of him. Trade for a bag of balls. 

Renteria-- Maybe Atlanta would trade us back Gorkys Hernandez so the can get back their &#039;07 SS... There they can pat themselves on the back for getting Jair Jurjjens for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the question now is, should the Tigers go on a fire sale and try to trade some of these older players in order to unload big contracts and restock a depleted farm system? If any trend is emerging this season it is the formula of younger teams, with speed, good defense and good young pitching. Tigers unfortunately traded many of those pieces away in effort to put the team on the field that we see today.</p>
<p>Pollanco&#8211; a good player who I would miss a lot, but the Tigers could get a lot for him from a contender</p>
<p>Ordonez&#8211; Similar to Poly, Tigers could ask for a lot to a contender looking to add last year&#8217;s batting champ to their lineup.</p>
<p>Sheffield&#8211; Just unload the contract. Get rid of him. Trade for a bag of balls. </p>
<p>Renteria&#8211; Maybe Atlanta would trade us back Gorkys Hernandez so the can get back their &#8217;07 SS&#8230; There they can pat themselves on the back for getting Jair Jurjjens for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really hope that their first game back from this trip, there is literally no one in the stadium. All the fans should just boycott showing up to the games. I was thinking of buying tickets to a series later in the year to make one of my semi-annual trips across the state but forget that. $4 gas and a terrible team? Nahhhhh, I&#039;ll pass and buy myself a case of beer here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hope that their first game back from this trip, there is literally no one in the stadium. All the fans should just boycott showing up to the games. I was thinking of buying tickets to a series later in the year to make one of my semi-annual trips across the state but forget that. $4 gas and a terrible team? Nahhhhh, I&#8217;ll pass and buy myself a case of beer here.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically, what came out of the player&#039;s meeting is that they just need to relax. It&#039;s tough being a pro ballplayer and sometimes the stress becomes so unbearable that it affects their play. I wonder if the Tigers have an employee assistance program to deal with problems like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, what came out of the player&#8217;s meeting is that they just need to relax. It&#8217;s tough being a pro ballplayer and sometimes the stress becomes so unbearable that it affects their play. I wonder if the Tigers have an employee assistance program to deal with problems like this?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a lovely stat from Baseball Tonight:

Dan Uggla&#039;s home run count in May: 8. 
The Tigers as a team: 7. 
Minus those from Joyce: 5.

Weeee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a lovely stat from Baseball Tonight:</p>
<p>Dan Uggla&#8217;s home run count in May: 8.<br />
The Tigers as a team: 7.<br />
Minus those from Joyce: 5.</p>
<p>Weeee.</p>
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		<title>By: stephen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 04:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, any sentence with Laughter is The Best Medicine is comedy gold, but the Tigers are clearly more fans of &#039;Humor In Uniform.&#039;  This team is clearly subsisting on a diet of Luna bars and cranberry juice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, any sentence with Laughter is The Best Medicine is comedy gold, but the Tigers are clearly more fans of &#8216;Humor In Uniform.&#8217;  This team is clearly subsisting on a diet of Luna bars and cranberry juice.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian in Tampa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian in Tampa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, I&#039;m out for tonight.  It&#039;s been fun Sean C. and everybody else.  Talk to you all tomorrow at about 9:40.  GO TIGERS!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, I&#8217;m out for tonight.  It&#8217;s been fun Sean C. and everybody else.  Talk to you all tomorrow at about 9:40.  GO TIGERS!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe I should only have a few when the Tigers win.&#039;

Well, Brian, I&#039;m not an advocate of &lt;i&gt;total&lt;/i&gt; self-denial.
I adhere to a regimen of one beer for every inning the Tigers leave men on, good for a steady buzz that sustains me through the post-game analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe I should only have a few when the Tigers win.&#8217;</p>
<p>Well, Brian, I&#8217;m not an advocate of <i>total</i> self-denial.<br />
I adhere to a regimen of one beer for every inning the Tigers leave men on, good for a steady buzz that sustains me through the post-game analysis.</p>
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