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		<title>By: Rick G</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/evidence-of-bizarre-strike-zone-disappears/#comment-85156</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I received a reply from Jason Beck.  He thought MLB.com might remove the data if they felt it was inaccurate, but he couldn&#039;t rule out the possibility that they were covering up for a bad umpire.

He also doesn&#039;t think the people who supervise umpires have anything to do with the pitch f/x data, and that he didn&#039;t think there were any supervisory umpires in Arizona for this series.  So it doesn&#039;t seem like there was the close scrutiny that would probably be needed to quickly pull the data off line for nefarious reasons, but you never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I received a reply from Jason Beck.  He thought MLB.com might remove the data if they felt it was inaccurate, but he couldn&#8217;t rule out the possibility that they were covering up for a bad umpire.</p>
<p>He also doesn&#8217;t think the people who supervise umpires have anything to do with the pitch f/x data, and that he didn&#8217;t think there were any supervisory umpires in Arizona for this series.  So it doesn&#8217;t seem like there was the close scrutiny that would probably be needed to quickly pull the data off line for nefarious reasons, but you never know.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/evidence-of-bizarre-strike-zone-disappears/#comment-85154</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tbone:

I agree 100% with you.  You can&#039;t blame the umpire for losing the game.  There will be bad calls and that&#039;s just part of the game.  However, the fact remains the Tigers lost this particular game due to a bad call.  I&#039;ll say it again: bad calls are a part of the game as much as home runs from an opponent (I&#039;m obviously not drawing a proportional relationship, just pointing out the bad call is something you have to play around and still win).  


This team disperately needs some kind of momentum to build on, and this team disperately needs breaks to start going their way to jump start the momentum, so every thrown opportunity compounds the frustration.

Umpires should also be held accountable when they develop a history of making horrible calls.  What that barometer is, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tbone:</p>
<p>I agree 100% with you.  You can&#8217;t blame the umpire for losing the game.  There will be bad calls and that&#8217;s just part of the game.  However, the fact remains the Tigers lost this particular game due to a bad call.  I&#8217;ll say it again: bad calls are a part of the game as much as home runs from an opponent (I&#8217;m obviously not drawing a proportional relationship, just pointing out the bad call is something you have to play around and still win).  </p>
<p>This team disperately needs some kind of momentum to build on, and this team disperately needs breaks to start going their way to jump start the momentum, so every thrown opportunity compounds the frustration.</p>
<p>Umpires should also be held accountable when they develop a history of making horrible calls.  What that barometer is, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 23:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rick G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 13:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just emailed Jason Beck (reporter at MLB.com) requesting an explanation.  I doubt he&#039;s at liberty to be 100% honest, but I thought it was worth asking about.

I&#039;ll post again if I hear anything back, or if Jason puts a reply on his blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just emailed Jason Beck (reporter at MLB.com) requesting an explanation.  I doubt he&#8217;s at liberty to be 100% honest, but I thought it was worth asking about.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll post again if I hear anything back, or if Jason puts a reply on his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin in Austin</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/evidence-of-bizarre-strike-zone-disappears/#comment-85055</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 06:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by Phil.  I appreciate your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by Phil.  I appreciate your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/05/evidence-of-bizarre-strike-zone-disappears/#comment-85052</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 04:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil dropping by made me remember when we played the Mets last year and the main Non-Mets Affiliated blogger emailed Billfer asking about the Tigers and basically had Billfer write up the Tigers &quot;scouting report.&quot; I really enjoyed that idea and it&#039;d be a cool thing to do when the second string of interleague games take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil dropping by made me remember when we played the Mets last year and the main Non-Mets Affiliated blogger emailed Billfer asking about the Tigers and basically had Billfer write up the Tigers &#8220;scouting report.&#8221; I really enjoyed that idea and it&#8217;d be a cool thing to do when the second string of interleague games take place.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dbacks fan here, and visitor from http://www.AZSnakepit.com. I only wanted to interject and point out that egregiously bad calls ROUTINELY AND MYSTERIOUSLY disappear from the published data after the game is over. I&#039;ve had the same experience on a few rare occasions where awful ball/strike calls manifested themselves in real time, then later the evidence was edited out.

It would seem that MLB is trying to protect its own. For all I know, it might be a deal they have with the umpires&#039; union, who might be perturbed that everyone can now prove when they make a mistake. It&#039;s like opening Questec to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dbacks fan here, and visitor from <a href="http://www.AZSnakepit.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.AZSnakepit.com</a>. I only wanted to interject and point out that egregiously bad calls ROUTINELY AND MYSTERIOUSLY disappear from the published data after the game is over. I&#8217;ve had the same experience on a few rare occasions where awful ball/strike calls manifested themselves in real time, then later the evidence was edited out.</p>
<p>It would seem that MLB is trying to protect its own. For all I know, it might be a deal they have with the umpires&#8217; union, who might be perturbed that everyone can now prove when they make a mistake. It&#8217;s like opening Questec to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My scapegoat is Carlos Guillen. We&#039;ve had this god-awful 2-11 stretch, and he has personally been the cause of two of those loses. And then on top of that, he can&#039;t hit. 

And his poor 1st base play has been the cause of the retarded infield switch between him and Caberra. This probably contributed to Caberra&#039;s slump as it coincided the switch. And what is so frustrating is that the infield defense did not get any better because we just took a terrible 1st baseman and then made him into a terrible 3rd baseman.

He is now the player I most hate on this roster.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My scapegoat is Carlos Guillen. We&#8217;ve had this god-awful 2-11 stretch, and he has personally been the cause of two of those loses. And then on top of that, he can&#8217;t hit. </p>
<p>And his poor 1st base play has been the cause of the retarded infield switch between him and Caberra. This probably contributed to Caberra&#8217;s slump as it coincided the switch. And what is so frustrating is that the infield defense did not get any better because we just took a terrible 1st baseman and then made him into a terrible 3rd baseman.</p>
<p>He is now the player I most hate on this roster.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff:

Good point. I am reluctant to bring religion into it, but as you know the gods can be quite fickle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff:</p>
<p>Good point. I am reluctant to bring religion into it, but as you know the gods can be quite fickle.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>billfer, can you call MLB and request an explanation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>billfer, can you call MLB and request an explanation?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just want to be cautious of clutching at straws, looking for some scapegoat, out of frustration.&lt;/i&gt;

Heck, we&#039;re all looking for scapegoats on the Tigers roster, why not expand the search?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just want to be cautious of clutching at straws, looking for some scapegoat, out of frustration.</i></p>
<p>Heck, we&#8217;re all looking for scapegoats on the Tigers roster, why not expand the search?</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not blaming Bucknor for the loss, or saying that the umpires are conspiring against the Tigers.

I guess the only &quot;conspiracy&quot; I was alluding to is that Bucknor is awful and I was entertaining the notion that MLB may not want us to know how awful.

I cited &quot;against-Tigers&quot; examples because those were most germane to me.

This post was more about:  umpire makes bad calls, I want to show the bad calls, oops-the bad calls are gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not blaming Bucknor for the loss, or saying that the umpires are conspiring against the Tigers.</p>
<p>I guess the only &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; I was alluding to is that Bucknor is awful and I was entertaining the notion that MLB may not want us to know how awful.</p>
<p>I cited &#8220;against-Tigers&#8221; examples because those were most germane to me.</p>
<p>This post was more about:  umpire makes bad calls, I want to show the bad calls, oops-the bad calls are gone.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Conspiracy theory&#039; - man, I hear this popular buzz phrase dropped all the time now as a convenient trump card to shoot down a view point, quite often one that has merit.

Is Billfer really entertaining conspiracy theories? Or is he merely stating facts/observations?

Hopefully we haven&#039;t reached the point where we have to omit facts/observations, simply because they might lead one to the conclusion that 2 or more people took action toward a common goal(conspiracy).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Conspiracy theory&#8217; &#8211; man, I hear this popular buzz phrase dropped all the time now as a convenient trump card to shoot down a view point, quite often one that has merit.</p>
<p>Is Billfer really entertaining conspiracy theories? Or is he merely stating facts/observations?</p>
<p>Hopefully we haven&#8217;t reached the point where we have to omit facts/observations, simply because they might lead one to the conclusion that 2 or more people took action toward a common goal(conspiracy).</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 22:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to be cautious of clutching at straws, looking for some scapegoat, out of frustration. Let&#039;s say Bucknor blew it and his bad umpiring really cost the Tigers a game - in other words they should be 17-25 instead of 16-26. 

If we are talking about potential predjudice on the part of umpires in general, I may be inclined to agree, in that it is possible that calls go against bad teams  more often than against good teams, and this can on occasion affect the outcome of a game. 

The best way to negate such disadvantages (real or imagined) is to play ball (and manage) at a level above Class A. The real culprit is that they stink, and everybody, including the umpires, know they stink. The expectation by many (admit it, how many of us were surprised by last night&#039;s choke?) is that they will stink again. My worry is that because this has been going on for so long now, the team believes this as well. I am not making a pronouncement, because I don&#039;t know, and I don&#039;t want to psychoanlayze them, but I do wonder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to be cautious of clutching at straws, looking for some scapegoat, out of frustration. Let&#8217;s say Bucknor blew it and his bad umpiring really cost the Tigers a game &#8211; in other words they should be 17-25 instead of 16-26. </p>
<p>If we are talking about potential predjudice on the part of umpires in general, I may be inclined to agree, in that it is possible that calls go against bad teams  more often than against good teams, and this can on occasion affect the outcome of a game. </p>
<p>The best way to negate such disadvantages (real or imagined) is to play ball (and manage) at a level above Class A. The real culprit is that they stink, and everybody, including the umpires, know they stink. The expectation by many (admit it, how many of us were surprised by last night&#8217;s choke?) is that they will stink again. My worry is that because this has been going on for so long now, the team believes this as well. I am not making a pronouncement, because I don&#8217;t know, and I don&#8217;t want to psychoanlayze them, but I do wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 21:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not when they sustain opponents rallies and kill your own rallies.

And I don&#039;t think Bill is alleging a conspiracy. It&#039;s just weird that the gameday data is gone for this game and this game only. I&#039;m anxious to see if it&#039;s working tonight as it very well could be the gameday data broke in the transfer to the MLB database or something along those lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not when they sustain opponents rallies and kill your own rallies.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think Bill is alleging a conspiracy. It&#8217;s just weird that the gameday data is gone for this game and this game only. I&#8217;m anxious to see if it&#8217;s working tonight as it very well could be the gameday data broke in the transfer to the MLB database or something along those lines.</p>
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