Comments on: Pitch f/x: Bonderman 4-3-08 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Game 8: Tigers at Red Sox http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-79213 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Game 8: Tigers at Red Sox Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:43:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-79213 [...] task of trying to hold the Boston Red Sox to negative runs. In his last start he pitched well until running out of gas around the 70 pitch mark. I’d expect that Bonderman will throw heavy doses of 2 seam fastballs trying to get some [...] [...] task of trying to hold the Boston Red Sox to negative runs. In his last start he pitched well until running out of gas around the 70 pitch mark. I’d expect that Bonderman will throw heavy doses of 2 seam fastballs trying to get some [...]

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78355 billfer Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:49:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78355 Rogers throws so many different variations of his pitches (different speeds, different breaks) he is tough to categorize. The system also generates a confidence score for the pitch classification, and many of Rogers appeared to be a pretty low score. Rogers throws so many different variations of his pitches (different speeds, different breaks) he is tough to categorize. The system also generates a confidence score for the pitch classification, and many of Rogers appeared to be a pretty low score.

]]> By: ultxmxpx http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78354 ultxmxpx Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:33:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78354 Since this post is using the pitch f/x/ system.... I was looking at pitch f/x data for Kenny Roger's start Wednesday, and it sort of looked like he had two changeups. Does he really? One faster (84-80 compared to 80-76) with more tailing action than the other. Perhaps a straight change and a vulcan change or forkball or splitter? I probably just insane though. Since this post is using the pitch f/x/ system….

I was looking at pitch f/x data for Kenny Roger’s start Wednesday, and it sort of looked like he had two changeups. Does he really? One faster (84-80 compared to 80-76) with more tailing action than the other. Perhaps a straight change and a vulcan change or forkball or splitter?

I probably just insane though.

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78352 Kyle J Fri, 04 Apr 2008 13:56:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78352 Good stuff. Interesting that all three starters seemed to tire quickly in the 6th/7th innings. Could it be they didn't build up arm strength enough during spring training? Alternately, is Leyland leaving the starters in too long because he doesn't trust the bullpen? Or is it just a random 3-game-sample thing? Off to the game shortly. Hopefully, my adorable family will bring some good luck to the Tigers . . . Good stuff. Interesting that all three starters seemed to tire quickly in the 6th/7th innings. Could it be they didn’t build up arm strength enough during spring training? Alternately, is Leyland leaving the starters in too long because he doesn’t trust the bullpen? Or is it just a random 3-game-sample thing?

Off to the game shortly. Hopefully, my adorable family will bring some good luck to the Tigers . . .

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78351 billfer Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:40:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78351 Corey The information is all captured on mlb.com's site, you just need to know where to look. The file for this data is at: http://gd2.mlb.com/components/game/mlb/year_2008/month_04/day_03/gid_2008_04_03_kcamlb_detmlb_1/pbp/pitchers/425827.xml The graphs I made using Minitab, but you could do similar with Excel or R. Minitab has a free 30 day trial if you want to check it out. As for working with the data, Mike Fast has put together a tutorial. http://fastballs.wordpress.com/2007/08/23/how-to-build-a-pitch-database/ Corey

The information is all captured on mlb.com’s site, you just need to know where to look. The file for this data is at:
http://gd2.mlb.com/components/.....425827.xml

The graphs I made using Minitab, but you could do similar with Excel or R. Minitab has a free 30 day trial if you want to check it out.

As for working with the data, Mike Fast has put together a tutorial.

http://fastballs.wordpress.com.....-database/

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78345 David Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:03:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78345 Yep, I saw most of it and it did look like his ball didn't have as much zip and was relying more on the fastball and changeup, and not the sider Gordon hit a change-up out I believe Like JV and KR he did seem to run out of gas so to speak and that is when they started to light him up, even so - Inge hit the HR and that was that Still Billfer what do you think about Barry Bonds? I really wouldn't mind sticking him in Sheffield's spot, just thinking of how m any RBI opp. Maggs would have would be downright sick (also how many more pitches Poly would see) assuming Shef is really hurt Yep, I saw most of it and it did look like his ball didn’t have as much zip and was relying more on the fastball and changeup, and not the sider

Gordon hit a change-up out I believe

Like JV and KR he did seem to run out of gas so to speak and that is when they started to light him up, even so -

Inge hit the HR and that was that

Still Billfer what do you think about Barry Bonds?

I really wouldn’t mind sticking him in Sheffield’s spot, just thinking of how m any RBI opp. Maggs would have would be downright sick (also how many more pitches Poly would see) assuming Shef is really hurt

]]> By: Corey Ettinger http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78344 Corey Ettinger Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:03:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78344 Hey, I was curious where I could find this sort of info, I'd love to be able to include it in my own site. Did you plot the charts yourself or are they available somewhere - if you did them yourself, could you provide me with an explanation of how? Hey, I was curious where I could find this sort of info, I’d love to be able to include it in my own site. Did you plot the charts yourself or are they available somewhere – if you did them yourself, could you provide me with an explanation of how?

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78341 Mike R Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:39:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/pitch-fx-bonderman-4-3-08/#comment-78341 Seems pretty spot on with me from what I saw -- but I found myself far more captivated with Johnny Cueto, the 22 year old RHP for the Reds -- dominating the D-Backs to the tune of 10 Ks/0 bb's and 1 hit (A HR to 20 year old Justin Upton) being his lone blemish in 7 innings. But that's because I like prospects and get excited when they do well. All the graphs were easy to read (to me at least ... I think I spotted the change up that Gordon smoked out ... get used to him Mashing too, he's so good. Well, will be). I've never seen the big deal with Bonderman being bad in 1st innings. I'd rather he give up 2-3 runs in the first, be lights out for 6 more, and win the game 4-3 (obviously didn't happen today, but he was equally as bad last year in the first innings of each of his first 18 starts where he was 10-1, with a mid 3's ERA and crazy 4+:1 K:BB ratio or, in short, one of the 5 best pitchers in baseball in that stretch). Well done, Bill. Seems pretty spot on with me from what I saw — but I found myself far more captivated with Johnny Cueto, the 22 year old RHP for the Reds — dominating the D-Backs to the tune of 10 Ks/0 bb’s and 1 hit (A HR to 20 year old Justin Upton) being his lone blemish in 7 innings. But that’s because I like prospects and get excited when they do well.

All the graphs were easy to read (to me at least … I think I spotted the change up that Gordon smoked out … get used to him Mashing too, he’s so good. Well, will be).

I’ve never seen the big deal with Bonderman being bad in 1st innings. I’d rather he give up 2-3 runs in the first, be lights out for 6 more, and win the game 4-3 (obviously didn’t happen today, but he was equally as bad last year in the first innings of each of his first 18 starts where he was 10-1, with a mid 3’s ERA and crazy 4+:1 K:BB ratio or, in short, one of the 5 best pitchers in baseball in that stretch).

Well done, Bill.

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