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		<title>By: Chris in Nashville</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-5-white-sox-at-tigers/#comment-78771</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Nashville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to point out that Chris, is not Chris in Nashville....come on man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to point out that Chris, is not Chris in Nashville&#8230;.come on man.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-5-white-sox-at-tigers/#comment-78769</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 00:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Chris.  I&#039;ll bite.  $100 says they don&#039;t finish in last.</description>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-5-white-sox-at-tigers/#comment-78762</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record, I&#039;m not officially an Inge hater -- and I wasn&#039;t &quot;dissing&quot; him, per se -- I&#039;m very pleased Inge is playing well -- and I will be the first to give Inge credit where credit is due -- yet I still hold this forum needs some balance to David, who, if he had it his way, would bench Cabrera in favor of Inge given the five-game sample that we&#039;ve all suffered through this first dismal week of April.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record, I&#8217;m not officially an Inge hater &#8212; and I wasn&#8217;t &#8220;dissing&#8221; him, per se &#8212; I&#8217;m very pleased Inge is playing well &#8212; and I will be the first to give Inge credit where credit is due &#8212; yet I still hold this forum needs some balance to David, who, if he had it his way, would bench Cabrera in favor of Inge given the five-game sample that we&#8217;ve all suffered through this first dismal week of April.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave BW</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave BW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 23:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeez, Tsmith, what on earth do you want Inge to do?  He gets hits in his at bats - he can&#039;t magically switch his place in the batting order at will for the sake of being &quot;clutch&quot; (bleh) when you think it matters.  And if blasting a two run HR with a 0-0 score isn&#039;t when it matters, well, when DOES it matter?

Also, we all know that you and Steven are the same person so stop pretending already!!! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, Tsmith, what on earth do you want Inge to do?  He gets hits in his at bats &#8211; he can&#8217;t magically switch his place in the batting order at will for the sake of being &#8220;clutch&#8221; (bleh) when you think it matters.  And if blasting a two run HR with a 0-0 score isn&#8217;t when it matters, well, when DOES it matter?</p>
<p>Also, we all know that you and Steven are the same person so stop pretending already!!! <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-5-white-sox-at-tigers/#comment-78754</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith - The Tigers went into the season as the favorites in 2007- at least to win the division.  There was no magical day when they were annointed.  

And dissing Inge for his performance this year just isn&#039;t fair.  He isn&#039;t giving away at-bats and is doing better than anyone else.  I don&#039;t expect it to continue but give him his due.  He drove in runs yesterday when it was 0-0 and 1-0.  That his teammates couldn&#039;t do more shouldn&#039;t be held against him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith &#8211; The Tigers went into the season as the favorites in 2007- at least to win the division.  There was no magical day when they were annointed.  </p>
<p>And dissing Inge for his performance this year just isn&#8217;t fair.  He isn&#8217;t giving away at-bats and is doing better than anyone else.  I don&#8217;t expect it to continue but give him his due.  He drove in runs yesterday when it was 0-0 and 1-0.  That his teammates couldn&#8217;t do more shouldn&#8217;t be held against him.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-5-white-sox-at-tigers/#comment-78753</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 22:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of comments... 0-5 sucks.

Stephen: There were some commentators that debunked your theory, but it absolutely carries weight.  After a while, you can&#039;t keep chalking up this pattern the Tigers exhibit to coincidence.  I&#039;ve noticed the exact same trend.  I don&#039;t know what it is, but when this team is expected to win, they fold.  When they&#039;re discounted, they rebound.  I made a comment earlier in the year that I was concerned with all the hype, for fear that it would kinda jinx the team.  I&#039;ll support your theory with yet another example -- almost to the day last year, when the baseball world finally gave Detroit its due, right around the all-star break after the Tigers swept the Red Sox, when every arm-chair expert and baseball analyst finally conceded and touted the Tigers as the #1 team in baseball -- across the board -- the Tigers began their epic descent.  To the day.

Chris:  As much as I&#039;m cursing the team and disappointed in their performance, 120 losses is a bit far fetched.  Last in the division is a bit far fetched.   80 losses are not out of the realm of possibility -- albeit 80 losses will definitely render an extremely disappointing season.   But after about 68 or 70 losses, what difference does it make?  It&#039;s still Octoberless baseball whether you lose 70 games or 120 games.    

David:  Inge has had a few good games.  Let&#039;s not get carried away.   And solely to balance your irrational exuberance about the Baseball-God-Who-Is-Inge, when he actually gets a clutch hit that matters to the outcome of the win/loss column, let&#039;s talk again.  He always seems to come thru when the score is 11-0 or 0-11.  I exaggerate to make a point, but the fact is, Inge and his surprising bat the past few games haven&#039;t tipped the scale to result in a single W.   The fact is, Inge hasn&#039;t made a bit of difference as far as the win column is concerned.

Finally, what&#039;s the issue with Cruceta and his visa?  Call me naive, but you would think an employer with a 135 M payroll should be able to pull some strings, at the very least, &quot;expedite&quot; the process.  Need I offer my services?  Come on.  Who&#039;s in charge here?  Who&#039;s dropping the ball?  I feel we need to call the Wolf character from Pulp Fiction, the guy who &quot;solves problems&quot; and gets things done.   Seriously, though, give me the resources and I&#039;ll get that visa and he’ll be in the bullpen by the Red Sox series.  I officially offer my services to Dombrowski et al. if the yahoos they have working on this can’t make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of comments&#8230; 0-5 sucks.</p>
<p>Stephen: There were some commentators that debunked your theory, but it absolutely carries weight.  After a while, you can&#8217;t keep chalking up this pattern the Tigers exhibit to coincidence.  I&#8217;ve noticed the exact same trend.  I don&#8217;t know what it is, but when this team is expected to win, they fold.  When they&#8217;re discounted, they rebound.  I made a comment earlier in the year that I was concerned with all the hype, for fear that it would kinda jinx the team.  I&#8217;ll support your theory with yet another example &#8212; almost to the day last year, when the baseball world finally gave Detroit its due, right around the all-star break after the Tigers swept the Red Sox, when every arm-chair expert and baseball analyst finally conceded and touted the Tigers as the #1 team in baseball &#8212; across the board &#8212; the Tigers began their epic descent.  To the day.</p>
<p>Chris:  As much as I&#8217;m cursing the team and disappointed in their performance, 120 losses is a bit far fetched.  Last in the division is a bit far fetched.   80 losses are not out of the realm of possibility &#8212; albeit 80 losses will definitely render an extremely disappointing season.   But after about 68 or 70 losses, what difference does it make?  It&#8217;s still Octoberless baseball whether you lose 70 games or 120 games.    </p>
<p>David:  Inge has had a few good games.  Let&#8217;s not get carried away.   And solely to balance your irrational exuberance about the Baseball-God-Who-Is-Inge, when he actually gets a clutch hit that matters to the outcome of the win/loss column, let&#8217;s talk again.  He always seems to come thru when the score is 11-0 or 0-11.  I exaggerate to make a point, but the fact is, Inge and his surprising bat the past few games haven&#8217;t tipped the scale to result in a single W.   The fact is, Inge hasn&#8217;t made a bit of difference as far as the win column is concerned.</p>
<p>Finally, what&#8217;s the issue with Cruceta and his visa?  Call me naive, but you would think an employer with a 135 M payroll should be able to pull some strings, at the very least, &#8220;expedite&#8221; the process.  Need I offer my services?  Come on.  Who&#8217;s in charge here?  Who&#8217;s dropping the ball?  I feel we need to call the Wolf character from Pulp Fiction, the guy who &#8220;solves problems&#8221; and gets things done.   Seriously, though, give me the resources and I&#8217;ll get that visa and he’ll be in the bullpen by the Red Sox series.  I officially offer my services to Dombrowski et al. if the yahoos they have working on this can’t make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris -

Last place, really?  That&#039;s just foolish.  You honestly think that the White Sox, Royals, and especially the Twins have better clubs than we do?  They don&#039;t, even given this first week of games.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris -</p>
<p>Last place, really?  That&#8217;s just foolish.  You honestly think that the White Sox, Royals, and especially the Twins have better clubs than we do?  They don&#8217;t, even given this first week of games.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>billfer,

Yea, I don&#039;t really think they will lose 120 games, but i can see how a big disappointing season is in the making--  probably last place in the division, given the apparent strength of the division. This losing streak-- which is not going to end tonight-- is going to put them in a huge hole to start the season. The hitting will get on track at some point and they can put together some good winning stretches that can get them out of the hole. But the relief pitching is looking to be the significant weakness which is going to kill a lot of those streaks. The current struggles are due to the piss-poor hitting that we have seen, but we have also already seen how the relief pitching situation is at best not helping.

Tigers will finish the season in last place of the division. How about us making a wager on that prediction. I would love to proven so wrong that look foolish by mid-season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>billfer,</p>
<p>Yea, I don&#8217;t really think they will lose 120 games, but i can see how a big disappointing season is in the making&#8211;  probably last place in the division, given the apparent strength of the division. This losing streak&#8211; which is not going to end tonight&#8211; is going to put them in a huge hole to start the season. The hitting will get on track at some point and they can put together some good winning stretches that can get them out of the hole. But the relief pitching is looking to be the significant weakness which is going to kill a lot of those streaks. The current struggles are due to the piss-poor hitting that we have seen, but we have also already seen how the relief pitching situation is at best not helping.</p>
<p>Tigers will finish the season in last place of the division. How about us making a wager on that prediction. I would love to proven so wrong that look foolish by mid-season.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t worry so much but their seems to be a pattern here. They were expected to win the WS hands down in 2006 and they folded. In 2007 they were expected to be their again and could not fight thru that 5 week losing streak. This year with this lineup they&#039;re 0 fer. Of course its early, but their past recent history doesn&#039;t show they can fight thru adversity. I lay this problem directly at the feet of Leyland. He&#039;s responsible for getting the guys ready to play each and every game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t worry so much but their seems to be a pattern here. They were expected to win the WS hands down in 2006 and they folded. In 2007 they were expected to be their again and could not fight thru that 5 week losing streak. This year with this lineup they&#8217;re 0 fer. Of course its early, but their past recent history doesn&#8217;t show they can fight thru adversity. I lay this problem directly at the feet of Leyland. He&#8217;s responsible for getting the guys ready to play each and every game.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in OH</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in OH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilfer... thanks for the note about the comments... I was gonna email you if it kept up. Not that there was much good to post last night, anyway - sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilfer&#8230; thanks for the note about the comments&#8230; I was gonna email you if it kept up. Not that there was much good to post last night, anyway &#8211; sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was out last night so I just now got through the comments.

Steve in OH - for some reason your comments were getting caught in the spam filter.  Let me know if you have any more problems.

Chris - 120 losses?  Yeah.  I don&#039;t think so but am willing to make a wager if you&#039;re that confident.

Stephen - The Tigers had big expectations heading into 2007 and managed to do quite well for a big portion of the season.  In fact they were more heavily favored last year than this year.

As for the outlook, it&#039;s not time to panic yet of course.  I still think everything will be fine.  But the problem becomes this team is using up a chunk of its margin for error in the first week of the season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was out last night so I just now got through the comments.</p>
<p>Steve in OH &#8211; for some reason your comments were getting caught in the spam filter.  Let me know if you have any more problems.</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; 120 losses?  Yeah.  I don&#8217;t think so but am willing to make a wager if you&#8217;re that confident.</p>
<p>Stephen &#8211; The Tigers had big expectations heading into 2007 and managed to do quite well for a big portion of the season.  In fact they were more heavily favored last year than this year.</p>
<p>As for the outlook, it&#8217;s not time to panic yet of course.  I still think everything will be fine.  But the problem becomes this team is using up a chunk of its margin for error in the first week of the season.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You think a pitching line of 5 IP, 1 H, 7 BB, 0 K is good?  He was garbage and he knew it.  He said so after the game.  Luckily he kept them off the board, but that was more luck than anything else.  When you are walking more than a batter per inning and striking out none, luck is the reason that you don&#039;t let runs in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think a pitching line of 5 IP, 1 H, 7 BB, 0 K is good?  He was garbage and he knew it.  He said so after the game.  Luckily he kept them off the board, but that was more luck than anything else.  When you are walking more than a batter per inning and striking out none, luck is the reason that you don&#8217;t let runs in.</p>
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		<title>By: Aidan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think willis pitched great, even with 7 walks the other team can&#039;t score if they can&#039;t hit, his offense just didn&#039;t help out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think willis pitched great, even with 7 walks the other team can&#8217;t score if they can&#8217;t hit, his offense just didn&#8217;t help out</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys,

Let&#039;s all relax here a bit. 

Someone pointed out that the Phillies started 3-10 last year.

The 1998 Yankees who won 114 games started 1-4!

The 2006 Tigers (AL Champs) lost there last 5 games.

This team win 30 of the next 45 (Which they are very capable of, they are 30-20).

-Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s all relax here a bit. </p>
<p>Someone pointed out that the Phillies started 3-10 last year.</p>
<p>The 1998 Yankees who won 114 games started 1-4!</p>
<p>The 2006 Tigers (AL Champs) lost there last 5 games.</p>
<p>This team win 30 of the next 45 (Which they are very capable of, they are 30-20).</p>
<p>-Sam</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Phillies last year started 3-10, in reality it really doesn&#039;t matter a whole lot how they are playing now.

It matters how they play in every month that will get them to October.

Didn&#039;t we have the best record in baseball last year by the ASB...?

Still I think we should go after Bonds b/c Shef is done</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Phillies last year started 3-10, in reality it really doesn&#8217;t matter a whole lot how they are playing now.</p>
<p>It matters how they play in every month that will get them to October.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t we have the best record in baseball last year by the ASB&#8230;?</p>
<p>Still I think we should go after Bonds b/c Shef is done</p>
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