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		<title>By: Andre</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-23-rangers-at-tigers/#comment-81979</link>
		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tiff - are you involved in Law at all (i ask because of the &quot;re:&quot;)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tiff &#8211; are you involved in Law at all (i ask because of the &#8220;re:&#8221;)?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-23-rangers-at-tigers/#comment-81976</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiff&#039;s right on with that.  Inge hasn&#039;t said anything publicly for quite a while.  Alot of times he&#039;ll do radio interviews but I haven&#039;t heard a peep out of him lately.  But I&#039;m not gonna hold my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiff&#8217;s right on with that.  Inge hasn&#8217;t said anything publicly for quite a while.  Alot of times he&#8217;ll do radio interviews but I haven&#8217;t heard a peep out of him lately.  But I&#8217;m not gonna hold my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 18:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: the &quot;livid&quot; quote.. I really think they were reusing old quotes from Spring Training in an attempt to make a story.  None of the local media had any quotes mentioning anything from Inge and you know he is their go-to guy when they want to cause some controversy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the &#8220;livid&#8221; quote.. I really think they were reusing old quotes from Spring Training in an attempt to make a story.  None of the local media had any quotes mentioning anything from Inge and you know he is their go-to guy when they want to cause some controversy.</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg - isn&#039;t it just as reasonable to assume that, when he reacts like that to runners he&#039;s responsible for scoring, he&#039;s angry at himself for letting the team down, and isn&#039;t directing that towards the bullpen? I would think that was a fairly normal reaction to have. You think the reliever on the mound would appreciate that reaction when it wasn&#039;t Bondo&#039;s guys scoring? Seems to me that if Bondo was trashing the dugout when a reliever was giving up their own earned runs would be a huge disrespect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211; isn&#8217;t it just as reasonable to assume that, when he reacts like that to runners he&#8217;s responsible for scoring, he&#8217;s angry at himself for letting the team down, and isn&#8217;t directing that towards the bullpen? I would think that was a fairly normal reaction to have. You think the reliever on the mound would appreciate that reaction when it wasn&#8217;t Bondo&#8217;s guys scoring? Seems to me that if Bondo was trashing the dugout when a reliever was giving up their own earned runs would be a huge disrespect.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be honest, that&#039;s really all we have to go on with most of what we talk about here, our observations and our interpretation of our observations.

And you&#039;re right, there could be some explanation why he throws things in the dugout and/or slams things around, on more than one occassion, and every single time I&#039;ve observed it, its only when it effects him personally(W or earned run charged to him), and yet, I&#039;ve never seen him one single time ever react that way when he doesn&#039;t have a personal stake(not that it hasn&#039;t happened, but with as many games as I&#039;ve seen, you&#039;d think I&#039;d see it at least once).

Its also true that if something looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck.......it might not be a duck.

But call me crazy, and I could be wrong, but I still say &#039;quack&#039;!

I think, and I&#039;m not alone in this, that it disrespects his teammate.  If I were any reliever on the Tigers team, I&#039;d have about as much love for Bondo as Renteria does for Orlando Cabrera.  In fact, I&#039;m surprised we haven&#039;t seen Miner or another reliever get into a Zambrano/Barrett type fight with Bondo.

But you&#039;re right, there&#039;s no way to be certain, but why would he only act that way when he&#039;s got a personal stake?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be honest, that&#8217;s really all we have to go on with most of what we talk about here, our observations and our interpretation of our observations.</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right, there could be some explanation why he throws things in the dugout and/or slams things around, on more than one occassion, and every single time I&#8217;ve observed it, its only when it effects him personally(W or earned run charged to him), and yet, I&#8217;ve never seen him one single time ever react that way when he doesn&#8217;t have a personal stake(not that it hasn&#8217;t happened, but with as many games as I&#8217;ve seen, you&#8217;d think I&#8217;d see it at least once).</p>
<p>Its also true that if something looks like a duck, acts like a duck, sounds like a duck&#8230;&#8230;.it might not be a duck.</p>
<p>But call me crazy, and I could be wrong, but I still say &#8216;quack&#8217;!</p>
<p>I think, and I&#8217;m not alone in this, that it disrespects his teammate.  If I were any reliever on the Tigers team, I&#8217;d have about as much love for Bondo as Renteria does for Orlando Cabrera.  In fact, I&#8217;m surprised we haven&#8217;t seen Miner or another reliever get into a Zambrano/Barrett type fight with Bondo.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right, there&#8217;s no way to be certain, but why would he only act that way when he&#8217;s got a personal stake?</p>
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		<title>By: Andre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean wrote:

I’m reminded of the article alleging that Inge is “livid” over the Cabrea-Guillen switch. Makes no sense. He’ll get more time at third with Guillen ahead of him for sure (injuries). Maybe there’s some “reading into” of Inge’s reactions going on. If Inge is still frustrated or even livid, they should keep him that way - has he ever had an April this good? Next time Guillen is out for a while, they should take Inge to the next level by announcing that Dontrelle Willis is moving to 3B.

Can we get Craig Monroe back for Jacque Jones? I’m just sayin’.  

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I haven&#039;t laughed this hard in a while, thank you and I couldn&#039;t agree more (whats worse is that Willis can &quot;hit&quot;). I do think that the media exaggerates any possible Inge situation. I remember reading ESPN reports early in the season that seemed to make pretty significant leaps and assumptions based on Inge comments that, when you read what he actually said, seemed more like flat out fiction than anything.

As far as JJones, I think its the Cubs getting back at us for Monroe...which totally isn&#039;t fair, I mean we took N Perez off their hands right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean wrote:</p>
<p>I’m reminded of the article alleging that Inge is “livid” over the Cabrea-Guillen switch. Makes no sense. He’ll get more time at third with Guillen ahead of him for sure (injuries). Maybe there’s some “reading into” of Inge’s reactions going on. If Inge is still frustrated or even livid, they should keep him that way &#8211; has he ever had an April this good? Next time Guillen is out for a while, they should take Inge to the next level by announcing that Dontrelle Willis is moving to 3B.</p>
<p>Can we get Craig Monroe back for Jacque Jones? I’m just sayin’.  </p>
<p>end quote</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t laughed this hard in a while, thank you and I couldn&#8217;t agree more (whats worse is that Willis can &#8220;hit&#8221;). I do think that the media exaggerates any possible Inge situation. I remember reading ESPN reports early in the season that seemed to make pretty significant leaps and assumptions based on Inge comments that, when you read what he actually said, seemed more like flat out fiction than anything.</p>
<p>As far as JJones, I think its the Cubs getting back at us for Monroe&#8230;which totally isn&#8217;t fair, I mean we took N Perez off their hands right?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Greg, next time out I&#039;ll be watching Bondo&#039;s eye reactions.  Just last week I mentioned how Poly had stopped clenching his teeth as much this season.  Well, yesterday, he clenched &#039;em like crazy and still didn&#039;t get a hit.  So much for the jaw clenching theory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Greg, next time out I&#8217;ll be watching Bondo&#8217;s eye reactions.  Just last week I mentioned how Poly had stopped clenching his teeth as much this season.  Well, yesterday, he clenched &#8216;em like crazy and still didn&#8217;t get a hit.  So much for the jaw clenching theory!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonderman was 10-1 with a sub-4.00 ERA at one point last year and foolishly tried to pitch through pain.  Verlander has had a rough start but I think it&#039;s too early to say he&#039;s &quot;regressing&quot;.  Sabathia had worse numbers than JV to start this year, is he regressing too?  I have read that many scouts don&#039;t think pitchers throw enough meaningful innings during spring training, and thus aren&#039;t ready for the season.  They spend their time throwing 5 innings to AA-hitters and in simulated games on practice fields.  An exception to that this year was Danny Haren, who threw 7 innings his last couple starts in the spring, and he&#039;s off and running to start the season (he&#039;s also hurt, but that&#039;s a different story).

I think our starters will get better as the season progresses, they&#039;ll find their command and tweak the mechanics to fix the  minor problems.  We&#039;ve been lucky that our bullpen has kept us in it (I really didn&#039;t think I&#039;d be writing those words), let&#039;s give the starters some time to put things together.  If we&#039;re still having this conversation in June, I&#039;ll be worried.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonderman was 10-1 with a sub-4.00 ERA at one point last year and foolishly tried to pitch through pain.  Verlander has had a rough start but I think it&#8217;s too early to say he&#8217;s &#8220;regressing&#8221;.  Sabathia had worse numbers than JV to start this year, is he regressing too?  I have read that many scouts don&#8217;t think pitchers throw enough meaningful innings during spring training, and thus aren&#8217;t ready for the season.  They spend their time throwing 5 innings to AA-hitters and in simulated games on practice fields.  An exception to that this year was Danny Haren, who threw 7 innings his last couple starts in the spring, and he&#8217;s off and running to start the season (he&#8217;s also hurt, but that&#8217;s a different story).</p>
<p>I think our starters will get better as the season progresses, they&#8217;ll find their command and tweak the mechanics to fix the  minor problems.  We&#8217;ve been lucky that our bullpen has kept us in it (I really didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d be writing those words), let&#8217;s give the starters some time to put things together.  If we&#8217;re still having this conversation in June, I&#8217;ll be worried.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean C. in Illinois</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean C. in Illinois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on quotes and what little I&#039;ve actually seen of Bonderman, I&#039;d give him the benefit of the doubt. He seems like an emotional, competetive guy who hates to be taken out and hates to see his runners score for all the right reasons. 

I&#039;m reminded of the article alleging that Inge is &quot;livid&quot; over the Cabrea-Guillen switch. Makes no sense. He&#039;ll get more time at third with Guillen ahead of him for sure (injuries). Maybe there&#039;s some &quot;reading into&quot; of Inge&#039;s reactions going on. If Inge is still frustrated or even livid, they should keep him that way - has he ever had an April this good? Next time Guillen is out for a while, they should take Inge to the next level by announcing that Dontrelle Willis is moving to 3B.

Can we get Craig Monroe back for Jacque Jones? I&#039;m just sayin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on quotes and what little I&#8217;ve actually seen of Bonderman, I&#8217;d give him the benefit of the doubt. He seems like an emotional, competetive guy who hates to be taken out and hates to see his runners score for all the right reasons. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the article alleging that Inge is &#8220;livid&#8221; over the Cabrea-Guillen switch. Makes no sense. He&#8217;ll get more time at third with Guillen ahead of him for sure (injuries). Maybe there&#8217;s some &#8220;reading into&#8221; of Inge&#8217;s reactions going on. If Inge is still frustrated or even livid, they should keep him that way &#8211; has he ever had an April this good? Next time Guillen is out for a while, they should take Inge to the next level by announcing that Dontrelle Willis is moving to 3B.</p>
<p>Can we get Craig Monroe back for Jacque Jones? I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tiff - I certainly hope you are right here, but Kenny&#039;s age and Bonderman&#039;s head issues are headed in the wrong direction.  If JV can turn out to be the Cy Young candidate we think he is, and the rest of the guys can be average, then we&#039;ve got a shot with this offense.  Problem is, I don&#039;t think the rest of the guys are average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tiff &#8211; I certainly hope you are right here, but Kenny&#8217;s age and Bonderman&#8217;s head issues are headed in the wrong direction.  If JV can turn out to be the Cy Young candidate we think he is, and the rest of the guys can be average, then we&#8217;ve got a shot with this offense.  Problem is, I don&#8217;t think the rest of the guys are average.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg - Am I reading this right in interpreting that you&#039;re saying Bondo is more concerned with personal numbers than team?

I hardly think this is fair to judge from watching his reactions.  Keep in mind that if the runs score and he becomes ineligible for the W, it means the score has been tied or the other team has gone ahead meaning that the TEAM is no longer in line for a win either.   It just seems plausible that he is frustrated with himself for not keeping the team in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211; Am I reading this right in interpreting that you&#8217;re saying Bondo is more concerned with personal numbers than team?</p>
<p>I hardly think this is fair to judge from watching his reactions.  Keep in mind that if the runs score and he becomes ineligible for the W, it means the score has been tied or the other team has gone ahead meaning that the TEAM is no longer in line for a win either.   It just seems plausible that he is frustrated with himself for not keeping the team in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean wrote:

Jojo, I don’t know, but I would hope that any professional pitcher with his head in the right place would realize he’s not off the hook for leaving runners on whether they score or not. He’d be focused on his team winning the game rather than his ERA or second-guessing his manager.

unquote

You want to know an MLB&#039;s starting pitchers priority?  Let&#039;s start with Bondo, have you ever watched his reactions?  Next time he gets taken out of the game by Leyland with runners on, look at the glare he gives Leyland.  Then, notice his reaction when any of the runners he&#039;s &#039;responsible&#039; for scores(or if someone scores making him ineligible for a W).   Next compare that to his reaction when the opponent scores and he&#039;s not responsible for the runs.  The difference is quite extreme indeed.

Add to that the fact that pitchers like Bondo, in this regard, are a dime a dozen, and you&#039;ll discern alot about MLB pitchers priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean wrote:</p>
<p>Jojo, I don’t know, but I would hope that any professional pitcher with his head in the right place would realize he’s not off the hook for leaving runners on whether they score or not. He’d be focused on his team winning the game rather than his ERA or second-guessing his manager.</p>
<p>unquote</p>
<p>You want to know an MLB&#8217;s starting pitchers priority?  Let&#8217;s start with Bondo, have you ever watched his reactions?  Next time he gets taken out of the game by Leyland with runners on, look at the glare he gives Leyland.  Then, notice his reaction when any of the runners he&#8217;s &#8216;responsible&#8217; for scores(or if someone scores making him ineligible for a W).   Next compare that to his reaction when the opponent scores and he&#8217;s not responsible for the runs.  The difference is quite extreme indeed.</p>
<p>Add to that the fact that pitchers like Bondo, in this regard, are a dime a dozen, and you&#8217;ll discern alot about MLB pitchers priority.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No trading Guillen!

I do worry about the starting pitching, but like someone mentioned, there is nothing to do but to wait for it to come around.  These guys were capable last year.  Unless they got labotomies and forgot how to pitch, they are still capable.  I think back to Verlanders terrific start in Chicago and how he fell apart in the 8th.  Is it focus?  I don&#039;t think Hernadez is to blame, since the pen is performing well and keeping us in games.  

This weekend will be a good test to see if they&#039;re rounding the corner.  I&#039;m excited to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No trading Guillen!</p>
<p>I do worry about the starting pitching, but like someone mentioned, there is nothing to do but to wait for it to come around.  These guys were capable last year.  Unless they got labotomies and forgot how to pitch, they are still capable.  I think back to Verlanders terrific start in Chicago and how he fell apart in the 8th.  Is it focus?  I don&#8217;t think Hernadez is to blame, since the pen is performing well and keeping us in games.  </p>
<p>This weekend will be a good test to see if they&#8217;re rounding the corner.  I&#8217;m excited to watch.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 05:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin Verlander&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://baseball.bornbybits.com/2008/Justin_Verlander.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;average Fastball Velocity&lt;/a&gt; is up to 93.55 mph. That&#039;s a good sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin Verlander&#8217;s <a href="http://baseball.bornbybits.com/2008/Justin_Verlander.html" rel="nofollow">average Fastball Velocity</a> is up to 93.55 mph. That&#8217;s a good sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 04:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there&#039;s no way theyd trade guillen.</description>
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