Game 22: Rangers at Tigers

by billfer on April 23, 2008 · 126 comments

in 2008 Season,Game Post

PREGAME: For those anxious to see the Tigers new defensive alignment, you’ll have to wait. Gary Sheffield and Placido Polanco miss tonight’s game so Miguel Cabrera DH’s and Carlos Guillen plays first. Here’s your lineup:

  1. Granderson CF
  2. Rodriguez C
  3. Guillen 1B
  4. Ordonez RF
  5. Cabrera DH
  6. Jones LF
  7. Renteria SS
  8. Inge 3B
  9. Santiago 2B

That line up will be taking on Luis Mendoza. In his last start Mendoza allowed 5 hits and 3 walks and 7 runs in 3 innings. In his two starts so far this year he has twice as many walks as strike outs.

He’ll be opposed by Kenny Rogers. Rogers nearly picked up quality start against the Blue Jays on Friday night but was hurt by 4 walks. For the season he has 12 walks and only 9 K’s over 4 starts.

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Game Time 7:05

POSTGAME: That was a nice offensive performance. Granted, the Rangers pitchers weren’t putting up much resistance (unless you count the 10 walks and 2 HBPs as resistance). But this one started off pretty ugly.

Kenny Rogers was doing a nice job of getting into two strike counts early on. And it wasn’t nibbling that was killing him. It was infield singers and choppers that made their way through that kept Kenny pitching from the stretch. Plus, his defense didn’t exactly help him.

The first run came when Carlos Guillen dropped a pick off throw. The second run came when Pudge Rodriguez ole’d a catchable pitch resulting in the runner from 3rd scoring. Twice Rogers had would be double play balls bobbled by his middle infielders (one each for Santiago and Renteria).

Bad luck turned to bad pitching as Rogers walked 3 in the 4th including the go ahead run. Fortunately Clay Rapada got out of a bases loaded situation and combined with Aquilino Lopez and Jason Grilli to go 5.2 innings of scoreless relief.

And the offense, just check out the box score. There’s too much to recap. But do note the stolen base by Carlos Guillen who didn’t appear hobbled for the first time in awhile

Tigers 19, Rangers 6

 
 

{ 126 comments }

Pimpbot 5000 April 23, 2008 at 5:42 pm

Welcome Back Grandy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve April 23, 2008 at 5:45 pm

Billfer

1. Whats the deal with the Player / Coach thing ?

2. I would rather see Clete in Left instead of Jones. I just cant get behind Jones this year.

Lets get a win for Kenny tonight

Steve

Zappatista April 23, 2008 at 6:00 pm

Bilf, I am eagerly awaiting your number crunching with the announced switch between Guillen and Cabrera. I expect charts and graphs!! You know things that my math skills don’t allow me to understand, but of course, I still try!

Oh ya, to piggy back on Steve’s comment..I totally agree. JJ needs to receive his pink slip. Keep Clete, err…as Ian says, ‘Clete’s Cult’.

Scott April 23, 2008 at 6:04 pm

Put up Some early runs tonight and let kenny cruise to the win

Joey the K in Portland OR April 23, 2008 at 6:44 pm

Dang is it to late to get my Clete shirt?!

I love that Guillen is at 1B after yesterdays announcement.

I used to coach some kids soccer, but I will never bring that up here. Crap, I just did. Sorry Billfer.

JOE Z April 23, 2008 at 6:45 pm

i found it kinda odd they announce that shift yet guillen is back playing 1st tonight, lol

Joel in Seattle April 23, 2008 at 6:47 pm

Joe Z:

That’s exactly what I thought. Does this mean that the move is more because of Cabrera’s woes at 3B than his comfort at 1B? Or is it just a function of who needs a night off?

JOE Z April 23, 2008 at 7:02 pm

JOEY AND JOEL, and JOE haha. i found that funny.

i would think the move is most because carlos just totally uncomfortable at first and i dunno, he doesnt have the body or the mindset of a first basemen.

i kinda wish carlos would fit in at first, or we got larrish or someone called up and/or traded for a bomb first baseman.

basically, i want inge at third and move miguel to LF , he played there one season while lowell was at third right? maybe i need read a report if he played good or not in LF. carlos can be a fill-in around the diamond when he doesnt want to DH (sheff looks pretty tore up!)

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 7:09 pm

I’m a little surprised Leyland didn’t hit Santiago third given last night’s performance. I mean, he hit Timo Perez there multiple times last year. Besides, Ramon brings that bunting ability the Jimmy likes in the 3rd spot.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 7:14 pm

Bats better stay awake tonight. Kenny is good for at least 4-5 runs allowed.

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 7:17 pm

Sheesh, we want to put Carlos at third?

Kevin in Austin April 23, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Too bad, b/c Kenny is really hitting his spots tonight. A couple of weak singles and some bad fielding. That’s a ball that Pudge used to get.

Zappatista April 23, 2008 at 7:20 pm

Pudge being old and lazy?

Joel in Seattle April 23, 2008 at 7:20 pm

What happened? Error on a pickoff attempt?

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 7:20 pm

well, it seems we are just in the mood of giving away runs tonight.

JOE Z April 23, 2008 at 7:20 pm

getting kind of sick of the other team always scoring first, and usally early!

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 7:21 pm

wow….talk about giving away two runs.

JOE Z April 23, 2008 at 7:22 pm

joel, yes, a throw to first got away from our 3rd basemen carlos guillen . rolled to the wall.

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 7:38 pm

they still haven’t hit a ball hard off Kenny. fortunately our defense is bad enough to give away a couple runs.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 7:42 pm

wow…these first two innings are unbelievable. luckily texas doesn’t have much of a pen.

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 7:42 pm

What a bunch of crap this is. We can’t catch the ball and Texas drops in 5 bloop hits and an infield single to plate 4 runs.

Unreal, this is reminiscent of our 0-7 Tigers where nothing goes our way.

Joel in Seattle April 23, 2008 at 7:43 pm

So it looks like they have 4 runs off of Texas-leaguers…

“Incoming pitch has been hit in play” is a warning of impending doom tonight.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 7:44 pm

hell…the way it’s looking, maybe willis comes back and replaces rogers.

Scott April 23, 2008 at 7:46 pm

Looks like mike in ct was right kenny good for 5 tonight thought he might pitch more than 2 though

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 7:50 pm

should Comerica cue up the GIDP music?

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 7:58 pm

Santiago MUST read this board. He’s fired up.

Joel in Seattle April 23, 2008 at 7:59 pm

The error man giveth, and the error man taketh away…

Joel in Seattle April 23, 2008 at 8:07 pm

New ballgame!

Brian P April 23, 2008 at 8:07 pm

I hope everyone is prepared to stay up until 11:00 for this one.

Andrew April 23, 2008 at 8:08 pm

I like the way our guys are battling the pitcher tonight. As Leyland is so fond of – “they’re grinding out at-bats” tonight.

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 8:16 pm

If it’s 15-12, I don’t care. As long we’re the 15.

Brian P April 23, 2008 at 8:18 pm

Yeesh. Kenny can’t buy a double play tonight — that’s two that have been bobbled now.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 8:34 pm

They call Kenny the Gambler, to me, he is the Nibbler.

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 8:35 pm

Man, awful job by Rogers. The #9 hitter is trying bunt and he walks him. Horrible.

Brian P April 23, 2008 at 8:35 pm

How do you not walk Young here?

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Eh, Kenny will oblige with a free pass anyway.

Brian P April 23, 2008 at 8:39 pm

Sure, why not another.

JOE Z April 23, 2008 at 8:40 pm

in my best rob parker voice “JUST HORRIBLE”

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 8:41 pm

Kenny absolutely blew himself up this inning. The defense did it for him earlier, though.

Given how bad our bullpen is at stranding inherited runners, I think we’re looking at at least another 3-4 run deficit.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 8:42 pm

Oops.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 8:42 pm

you cannot walk the No. 9 guy, especially when he’s trying to bunt. stick a fork in Kenny, he’s done.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 8:45 pm

Thank you Clay.

Why couldn’t we have started our bullpen?

JOE Z April 23, 2008 at 8:45 pm

*clapping* good job clay.

charlie April 23, 2008 at 8:45 pm

i swear…if our starting pitchers were any worse we would be in last place…j/k

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Awesome job by Rapada.

Kathy April 23, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Billfer

1. Whats the deal with the Player / Coach thing ?

2. I would rather see Clete in Left instead of Jones. I just cant get behind Jones this year.

Lets get a win for Kenny tonight

Steve

There it is Steve, someone named Brandon Inge as a user name.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 8:49 pm

what they really need, when willis is ready to come off the DL, is for Rogers to create a phantom injury so he can sort this out. If he doesn’t find his control he cannot pitch in the AL soft-tossing at 85 mph.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 8:57 pm

No GIDP, Maggs.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Brandon Inge…or Babe Ruth?

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:01 pm

A little egg on Mario’s face there…he thought that was a home run.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 9:04 pm

one run in that spot, kind of a let down. mario made it sound like maggs’ shot was gone and it was 20 feet short. bad job by him.

Tbone April 23, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Wow – this game is just crazy. 2 hours to play 4 innings, you’d think we were watching Yankees/BoSox.

Brian P April 23, 2008 at 9:06 pm

This is surprising, but I actually think our bullpen can outlast Texas’.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 9:09 pm

what was that? a 1-2-3 inning? get out!

charlie April 23, 2008 at 9:21 pm

STEPHEN

we got a pen, we got a pen

Steve April 23, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Kathy thanks…. Hey, with Grandy back you do not have to fend off Pudge leading off.

And Grandys on now………

Steve April 23, 2008 at 9:29 pm

Does any one like Pudge bunting here???,
he is a good contact hitter why not let him swing away with a 1 run lead?

Alex April 23, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Atta boy Carlos, great night.

Jeff April 23, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Bunting wasn’t the worst idea given who was coming up. I’m rarely in favor of it, but 1st and 2nd nobody out is one of the better situations.

It does annoy the heck out of me when Rod Allen says the Tigers “manufactured a run”. If Pudge had not bunted but rather struck out, that Guillen double still drives in both runs. The bunt had nothing to do with the runs. An extra base hit with men on base drove ‘em in.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:37 pm

I like this game.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:38 pm

MIGGY!!!!

Steve April 23, 2008 at 9:38 pm

MiGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggy

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Two five-run innings!

Jason April 23, 2008 at 9:39 pm

oh man, this is what i want to watch all year.

Alex April 23, 2008 at 9:40 pm

Booooooom!!!!

Matt April 23, 2008 at 9:42 pm

No matter how bad things get, just remind yourself: you could be the Texas Rangers.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Granderson is sure getting a big welcome back. 12 runs, two of which were him scoring. Nice.

billfer April 23, 2008 at 9:49 pm

I actually feel bad for Littleton. For the second night in a row he’s standing out there having absolutely no idea where the ball lis going.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:50 pm

GRANDY!!!

Adam April 23, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Yeah, Billfer I feel you. That guy does not deserve this.

Matt April 23, 2008 at 9:52 pm

There’s still one out. And it was a sacrifice. We did it on purpose! This inning may never end.

Brian P April 23, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Hmm. Maybe we can tie the Rangers’ 30 run record from last season.

Steve April 23, 2008 at 9:52 pm

This is getting ugly, Do we plunk one of their guys after two of ours get nailed or let it ride?

Kathy April 23, 2008 at 9:54 pm

Its kind of painful for me to watch at this point. You know the other team is completely demoralized. It’s great to see the hitting, but our starting pitchers don’t look too good. How willl we look against LAA, NYY and MINN.

Erik in DC April 23, 2008 at 9:56 pm

Curtis Granderson! Apply directly to the leadoff spot.

Curtis Granderson! Apply directly to the leadoff spot.

Curtis Granderson! Apply directly to the leadoff spot.

Curtis Granderson in your lineup is the cure for a sluggish offense.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Well…maybe this gets us back on track for 1,000 runs.

Joe in Holland April 23, 2008 at 9:58 pm

Took a quick look at the team batting stats. Before today’s game, the tigers had scored 92 runs on the season for 10th place in the AL. With tonights action, they are up to 110, good for 2nd behind Boston. About time . . .

Ryan in Brooklyn April 23, 2008 at 9:58 pm

I love football scores!

Ken from Cincinnati April 23, 2008 at 9:59 pm

I couldn’t be having more fun tonight. I think I’m the bloggers resident gambler, and I put $200 on the Tigers to cover 1.5 runs. After we went 0-5, I was ready to pack it in, but this is exactly what the MLB expected out of us this year. 11 runs in one inning?? That’s sick nasty folks. Just sick. BTW, I loooooveee Granderson. The outfield looks so much cooler with him in it. Break out the Little Debbies a bit early, Steve!

Adam April 23, 2008 at 10:00 pm

Joe: did you count the runs all the other teams have scored tonight too?

Steve April 23, 2008 at 10:02 pm

Ken, I on it !! Little Debbies for all.

Joe in Holland April 23, 2008 at 10:03 pm

Yeah, Angels have 103 + the 6 they have tonight.

Matt April 23, 2008 at 10:04 pm

I’m not near a TV. Have they said when the last Tigers double-digit inning happened? I can remember plenty of eight-run innings within in my memory, but this is just sick.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 10:05 pm

“Uncanny ability.” GRR.

charlie April 23, 2008 at 10:06 pm

i went for a walk at 7-6 and now i come back and we get 11 in the 6th…is this what we mean by a strong offensive ballclub lol?

Matt April 23, 2008 at 10:12 pm

…okay, but here’s the problem with football scores, even when they’re in your favor–doesn’t it always vaguely bother you when you’ve got, say, eighteen runs? Because that’s not a football score! That’s, what, six field goals? What are the odds of that happening? You just want them to hurry up and get to 21, so it’ll add up to three touchdowns.

But then again, this may just be me.

Scott April 23, 2008 at 10:14 pm

This team is a train wreck

Vince in MN April 23, 2008 at 10:15 pm

With the grand effort by the Rangers staff tonight, they have now passed the Tigers in BBs allowed, and lead MLB in that dept.

Matt April 23, 2008 at 10:15 pm

…and now they can tack on that extra field goal, if Santiago can just display his legendary power. :-)

Tim in TX April 23, 2008 at 10:18 pm

The Rangers just can’t develop or get anyone who can pitch; sadly, how many former Rangers end up pitching for us?

Kevin in Austin April 23, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Can’t we just mercy them?

Anne April 23, 2008 at 10:22 pm

You know what’s cool? The Rangers at one point had a 5-0 lead.

charlie April 23, 2008 at 10:22 pm

213 combined pitches by the rangers through 7 innings…wasn’t all that long ago that was us.

Tim in TX April 23, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Is it time to worry about Kenny yet?

Vince in MN April 23, 2008 at 10:25 pm

So, does Miner get to try and mop up tonight?

PHT in HK April 23, 2008 at 10:25 pm

What I like about this game is that they have scored all of the runs by taking 10 walks and hit only 2 home runs. I guess this means that they are being patient and taking what is given.

Matt April 23, 2008 at 10:27 pm

It also means this pitching staff should be euthanized.

Mark in Chicago April 23, 2008 at 10:27 pm

Did anyone catch the stat about the Tigers bullpen? I saw they had a 5-something ERA for the first 9 games, but I didn’t catch the rest.

I feel like they’ve been pitching much better lately than we give them credit for, but I’m curious what the numbers are.

Mike in CT April 23, 2008 at 10:33 pm

so what do you think will be the theme from the beat writers, all the runs because grandy is back in the lineup?

Chris April 23, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Aquilino Lopez has 17.1 innings with tiny 0.52 ERA….. Can we get him in as a starter?

Matt April 23, 2008 at 10:35 pm

Weirder things have happened. Aquilino Lopez and Armando Galarraga, anchors of the Detroit rotation! Yikes.

Scott April 23, 2008 at 10:36 pm

hey i am going tomarrow. Do they sit Grandy or does he play?

Adam April 23, 2008 at 10:38 pm

I would bet you Granderson doesnt miss more than five more games this season.

Chris April 23, 2008 at 10:38 pm

We need to get Jones in the 9th and hope he can spend one of his due 9th inning blow-ups on a easy blow-out win

Kevin in Austin April 23, 2008 at 10:38 pm

Erik in DC – genius annoying headache commercial reference.

Chris April 23, 2008 at 10:43 pm

Jason Grilli now has an ERA of 3.86…. Pretty respectable IMO.

Shouldn’t we all get off his case while his ERA is below 4.0?

T Smith April 23, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Here’s the thing:

This game was fun to watch, but the downside of this is, this formula ain’t gonna work when the Angels come to town, or when we go out to the Bronx next week… or play Cleveland or WSox again… sure, this lineup can score 20 runs off a pitching machine, or perhaps a slightly more challenging Texas Ranger’s pitching staff recently demoralized by Bosox, but when we fall behind 5-0 to a more formidable opponent, it’s gonna be an uphill battle to get back into the game. Tonight it worked out differently, but the starting pitching has to show up to these games. If we weren’t playing the Rangers tonight, I’d wage to say we’d all be alot less happy at this hour — and likely looking at a 6-4 loss after it was all said and done.

If we can’t get better preformances from Rogers, Bondo, Verlander, and Robertson, we’re not going to win a lot of games.

I like what I’m seeing from Rapada/Lopez/Bautista — and am optimistic about Cruceta — suddenly, the bullpen no longer seems the biggest concern — in addition, the offense is clicking — but the starting pitching just sucks. It just sucks. Unless it improves drastically, this is a .500 team.

Scott April 23, 2008 at 10:44 pm

Yes i think he is doing pretty well now too, don’t ever let him pitch under pressure though.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Good game when your 1-2-3-4-5 guys have a combined 14 RBI.

Kevin in Austin April 23, 2008 at 10:46 pm

Can’t believe Guillen left the bases loaded in the 7th. Trade him.

Ryan April 23, 2008 at 10:48 pm

19 runs on 14 hits with 8 LOB. Gotta be one of the odder lines I’ve ever seen.

Kevin in Austin April 23, 2008 at 10:49 pm

Can we talk about Kenny for a second? I thought he looked sharp in the 1st, despite giving up two runs, he went 0-2 on the first three batters. But it looks like he’s throwing BP out there. He’s lost 2 mph on his fastball, and that is making a huge difference. We need 12 wins from him, and I don’t think that he’ll get them.

Scott April 23, 2008 at 10:52 pm

this might not even matter but remember how he was in 06 playoffs, pitching angry yelling,

i seen a little of that tonight maybe it light a fire under his but?

a little pine tar wouldn’t hurt either!

Adam April 23, 2008 at 10:57 pm

Since starting 0-6 at Comerica we haven’t lost a game there. True?

Scott pb April 23, 2008 at 11:00 pm

hey i just found out i am not the only Scott in the universe, so if any of my comments made any sense its because they weren’t mine and i will change my name

Chris April 23, 2008 at 11:02 pm

A win for tomorrow has a simple stratagy. Make the opposing starting pitcher throw as may pitches as possible. The Ranger bullpen is absolutely worn out to where their manager will have to come in the game and pitch the 9th.

Adam April 23, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Think of this. If we’d just won 2 of our first seven games, we’d be at .500 right now.

Jim April 23, 2008 at 11:05 pm

I like that Rangers bullpen

Cameron in Singapore April 23, 2008 at 11:08 pm

Wow, that was fun!

Scottpb April 23, 2008 at 11:08 pm

if we were .500 we would be in second place! that sounds a little nicer than last

Kyle J April 23, 2008 at 11:12 pm

Play of the game: Miggy’s HR. How many hitters in all of baseball can hit an opposite-field HR with that much lift on it?

I’m digging the video highlights on Gameday–very fun to be able to watch plays like that one over and over right after the game.

tiff April 23, 2008 at 11:19 pm

hey ya’ll. I just got back from the game (with cib!) and it was a complete range of emotions. Kenny did not look good, we were in an 0-5 hole, then it was tied, then it was back and forth and we were on the edge of our seat, and then it was a explosion. A lot of fun! I know this won’t work against decent pitching staff, but you’ve got to take advantage of bad pitches, if you want to be good.

Anyway it was pretty invigorating (and not just the cold weather!). Great win. Go Tigs!

cib April 23, 2008 at 11:47 pm

What a night! Tiff, thanks for joining my pre-birthday gathering!
Let’s do it again tomorrow Tigers!!

Adam April 24, 2008 at 1:34 am

We’re tied for 2nd in walks taken (with Toronto). In 22nd place for strikeouts. 4th in OBP, 11th in SLG, 9th in AVG, tied for 8th in Hits, 4th in Runs Scored, are 11-0 in stolen base attempts (the only team except for the Padres who haven’t been caught, and they’ve only tried 6 times), and we started the season 0-7. We got shut-out twice in a row, and four times already in 22 games.

All things considered, that’s pretty darn good.

Not to mention that when we play the Yankees, we’ll actually HAVE our A-Rod.

Mike R April 24, 2008 at 2:28 am

The Rangers have walked 15 hitters, hit 5, and thrown a collective 374 pitches in the first two games of this series.

Not exactly a pitching coaches dream series.

Deaner April 24, 2008 at 11:06 am

The P.G. (Post Granderson) era has begun!

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