Game 18: Tigers at Blue Jays

PREGAME: It’s an afternoon tilt today as the Tigers behind Jeremy Bonderman take on Dustin McGowan and the Blue Jays.

McGowan is off to a pretty good start this season. He sports a 3.71 ERA and has fanned 16 in 17 innings of work. But he hasn’t made it past the 6th inning because his pitch count has become elevated. The Blue Jays had to go to their pen early last night so making McGowan work could have benefits for the rest of the series.

Bonderman is coming off a pretty solid outing. He went 6 1/3 and probably could have gone farther were it not for 3 errors by his defense. He also fanned 5 which was a nice sign after he K’d only 3 in his other 2 starts.

DET @ TOR, Saturday, April 19, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

Game Time 1:07

POSTGAME: In a lot of ways, a loss like today’s is much more irksome than the shellacking they took in Cleveland. In the Indians game they were just flat out beat. In today’s game, there were several opportunities to swing the game in the Tigers favor yet they couldn’t take advantage.

Bonderman was awful, but he kept the damage to a minimum. Six walks though keeps him in line with the rest of the staff. Bonderman said he couldn’t find his slider, but I think that was only part of the problem. In the inning where he walked in a run, he was getting ahead of hitters. But he kept throwing the slider to the same spot. The hitters knew the slider was coming, and they knew where it was coming so it was easy to lay off. It’s a pattern we’ve seen from Bonderman in the past.

And once again he was the victim of an unearned run and this one decided the game.

Still, the offense had their chances. Twice there were 2nd and 3rd no out situations and twice they only came away with one run. I’m not one to harp on the LOB stat too much, because I tend to think it works itself out over the course of a season. But their inability to cash in cost them in a very winnable game.

117 Comments

  1. Dylan

    April 19, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Tigers will get the win for my birthday today.

  2. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    I just think that Jeremy Bonderman is due for a lights-out performance. And we may need it because Dustin McGowan is a tough and could keep the Tiger bats in check, if he has his game on.

    I’m just hoping for a split in this series. A win today would make that the worst outcome possible going forward.

  3. Ken from Cincinnati

    April 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    I’m feeling very good about today’s matchup. This will be the weakest lineup that Bonderman has faced yet, in my opinion, and he’s coming off a pretty good performance. Happy Bday Dylan. I just put a hundo on the Tigers, so they will come through for us.

  4. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    I think Bondo needs a good outing, 7.2 IP 8k’s 1BB

    How about a good 3-2 game with a Gullien HR in the top of the ninth and a save by Jones.

    Steve

  5. Ben in Denver

    April 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Anyone out there use Yahoo mobile alerts to get the final score of the game? I’m leaving for Ecuador tomorrow and will be away from civilization for about 2 weeks, but I do expect my cell phone to work occasionally and I’d like to get the scores. I just can’t get this Yahoo alert to work though. Is there another, preferably free, service out there?

    Let’s have a good game and happy birthday Dylan.

  6. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Am I the only one watching from afar that doesn’t exactly miss the wisdom and witticism of Rod Allen?

  7. JML

    April 19, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    I like Mario and Rod.

  8. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 1:08 pm

    Ken, I hope your last name is not Schlichter lol ;)

  9. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:13 pm

    wow…jones a hit with two-strikes, never saw that coming.

  10. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    No game on MLB EI, thanks to FOX, Radio only for me today. Enjoying Jim and Dan outside, its 82 in Rochester NY today.

    Yard work…………., hey maybe Sunday after Church (while the games on)

  11. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    That’s weird, you buy the TV package and it gets blacked out, but not on the web. Doesn’t make too much sense.

  12. Ken from Cincinnati

    April 19, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    Well ,Steve, I did grow up in Columbus??

  13. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Bondo needs to throw strikes

  14. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    The Bonderman grimace is always a scary thing.

  15. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    Good god, Grilli warming up in the second inning. Aye carumba.

  16. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    The inability of our starters to throw strikes is killing us.

  17. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    The last time Bondo got one of those 1-2-3 double plays he pitched the rest of the game and we shut out the Angels 12-0.

    Hopefully it’s a good omen.

  18. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    1-2-3 DP…prayers answered….though part of me expected Bonderman’s throw to Pudge to fly to the backstop.

  19. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Actually a nice recovery by Bondo only allowing 1 run there.

  20. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 1:50 pm

    Mike in CT, I was just thinking the exact thing……. Lets not use Grilli today or any day until August

  21. Ken from Cincinnati

    April 19, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    How the hell did we get out of that one. Geeesh. Bonderman’s slider looks like he’s puking the ball to the plate.

  22. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Tired of hearing Rod say “uncanny ability.” He must be reading X-Men this weekend.

  23. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    Question…when was the last time that Bonderman’s slider was actually working? Maybe Chuck Hernandez can answer that one.

  24. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    5 BB in 2 Innings, that concerns me, given his elbow problems last year and the consequent lack of control as a symptom.

  25. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Wow…bad luck. Should have bounced out, not back in.

  26. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    One good problem that the Tigers have is the depth of their position players. Raburn is a solid player who would get a lot more playing time on many other teams.

  27. Ken from Cincinnati

    April 19, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    How frustrating was that?! 1 inch from a 0 out 2 run bomb, and then we only get one. Not to mention the weird diving play in the infield to end the inning. Sheff…get it together dude.

  28. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Chris, I could agree more, Jones isnt hitting. Lets go with Rayburn and Thames in left.

    Bummer on the HR… and now the inning. Lets hope Bondo goes 1-2-3 to recover

  29. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 2:09 pm

    Don’t forget against the Tribe, Inge just missed a HR and settled for a double and the Tigers didn’t score.

  30. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    WOW. Another break.

  31. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    Carlos ………………………………………………….

  32. boombotti

    April 19, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    One thing I am concerned with all of our starters is that they are not striking anyone out.

  33. Ken from Cincinnati

    April 19, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    This game is going to give me gray hairs. Man, we need to bust this game open right now.

  34. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    “One thing I am concerned with all of our starters is that they are not striking anyone out.”

    Strike outs are nice, but I think they are a bit overrated. I’m not concerned that the Tiger starters are not striking people out. I’m concerned that they are often struggling to throw strikes and walking people.

  35. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Phugh

  36. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Not a good AB by Carlos. I understand that you have to swing at pitches that seem hittable. But McGowan is not sharp today and if you get him behind on the count, you are more likely to be able to get a really good pitch to hit. Plus, it gets us to the bullpen sooner.

  37. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Good grief, can Bonderman just throw a strike? It’s Joe Inglett for pete’s sake.

  38. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    “They’re not striking anyone out.”

    They’re striking David Eckstein out.

  39. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    I think this is going to be a 5 inning game for Bondo. Joe Inglett made him spend 12 pitches on a BB. That’s about 2/3 of an inning.

  40. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 2:42 pm

    Jeez. We’d be up 4-2 if Raburn had just lifted some more weights.

  41. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    If Bondo walks this guy we need another pitcher.

  42. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Bondo Strike/Ball ratio is way off. It should be 66/33% Strikes to balls and he is certainly not there today !!!

  43. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    Bonderman is truly lucky not to have given up at least 5-6 runs.

  44. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    This is why the at bat with Carlos was such a turning point in this game. McGowan was struggling a bit with his control, running up his pitch count and getting in trouble. Guillen hits into a GIDP on the first pitch, ending the 4th inning in an instant. Now McGowan, with his pitch count on track, gets his composure on track as well and is poised to go into the sixth or seventh innings for a strong performance.

  45. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    … Time to fire up the Grilli

  46. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Bondo’s luck finally ran out.

  47. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 2:57 pm

    Why isn’t Rapada coming in NOW? Against the lefty?

  48. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:00 pm

    Well, at least he finished the inning pretty strong. Now we need to get something going and hope the BP can get us through.

  49. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Bonderman has done a decent job today battling when he clearly doesn’t have his good stuff. Somehow he kept us in this thing (no thanks to Cabrera’s error).

    If we can somehow scratch out a couple runs, we can steal this game.

  50. Steve

    April 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    About one inch on Rayburns ball and a stab at third by Miggy and we are winning. Bondo has not been pretty but we are in the game.

    Lets get a few here

  51. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    According to fangraphs, Bonderman’s average fastball has gone down 1.7 MPH since 2006. Weird.

    Verlander has gone down by 3.2 MPH in the same period, btw

  52. Sky

    April 19, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Can someone tell me the score and inning………….I am stuck in California and no info…………..

  53. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    It’s always a killer when a team gets an unearned run, Carlos ought to know after his fiasco last week. The game is still close.

  54. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Tigers down 3-1 in the sixth. Grilli in.

  55. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Oh dear god, here comes the Grill man. This could get out of hand in a hurry…

  56. Sky

    April 19, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Better yet…where do I follow the game online?

  57. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Bottom of the 6th. Score 3-1 Toronto.

  58. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    Jeez, this guy’s going to pitch nine innings.

  59. Jeff M

    April 19, 2008 at 3:11 pm

    3-1 Jays in the 6th. Bonderman inefficient. Grilli’s pitching now.

    Future reference: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/scoreboard/index.jsp
    Click on the Gameday link if you really want to follow in detail.

  60. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Grilli just gave up a triple.

  61. Sky

    April 19, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    Thanks Kathy……..I am soooooooooooooo out of touch when the games are blacked out on Sats…….and I haven;t learned what website gives play by play if any

  62. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Wow! That was sweet!!!

  63. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:13 pm

    Wow. What a stupid idiot Gibbons.

    He has one out and a guy on third with David Eckstein up and…PUTS ON THE SQUEEZE? Against Grill. Anyway, Eck pops it up to the pitcher and Grilli throws to third to complete the double play. Wow.

  64. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Wow Grilli is a lucky SOB. Good for him, I suppose.

    Now let’s score some runs.

  65. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    We don’t much appreciate that National League nonsense here, Gibbons

  66. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    But it’s beautiful when it works like when Sheff did it last year.

  67. Forty

    April 19, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    Give Grilli credit, he threw his best “induce a bunt into double play” ball

  68. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 3:17 pm

    For all Toronto’s excellent pitching, there hitting lineup is pretty weak.

  69. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Gonna chase McGowan here…

  70. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    Tigers on first and third on Migg’s single and Carlos single, no outs.

  71. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    Just like that, we’re in business. Nice work, Miggy and Carlos!

  72. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Thanks Edgar. Just what I always wanted.

    ERGGHG.

  73. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    Gonna take a 2-out hit from Raburn, who’s stung the ball all day. C’mon Ryan!

  74. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    good job Pudge. gotta get at least one run out of this and he came through.

  75. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Let’s go CLETE!!!

  76. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    I’d pinch hit Inge here.

  77. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Grilli, you just make no sense to me at all

  78. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Anyone have the stats for Grilli AFTER the first inning he appears? I’m currious if its lower than his overall ERA.

  79. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I can’t believe I’m typing this, but….

    Nice inning by Grilli.

    Man, does that feel weird. OK, come on offense!

  80. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Thames for Jones, plz.

  81. Ken from Cincinnati

    April 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    I need Sheff to act like a future hall of famer this inning and at least get a base knock. New pitcher, let’s do this.

  82. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 3:33 pm

    Jason Grilli has really pitched well since his awful appearance in Boston.

  83. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    YAY HE ACTUALLY THAMES’D FOR JONES.

    But Scutaro. GOD.

  84. Sky

    April 19, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    Yes, Mark, I know what you feel. Just seeing him come in raises my BP 40 points, but once in a while he does it right. It’s just hard to believe someone in charge hasn’t noticed how often he does it wrong.

  85. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    Put one out, Maggs. PLEASE.

  86. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Seems as though Leyland NEVER pinch hits in close games unless its a L/R matchup situation.

  87. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    Horrible at-bats there, minus Thames.

    Top of the ninth anyone?

  88. Sky

    April 19, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Cabrera has to do it again

  89. Steve in OH

    April 19, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Disclaimer – I still love Cabrera and wouldn’t change a thing about the offseason pickup. His bat’s coming alive and he’s a huuuuge part of and addition to this team.

    But I’m still not a fan of the errors at 3B. Updating the stats I posted a few days ago (with the same shaky extrapolation) we see that… he now has 5 errors in 18 games, which projects out to 45 errors for the season.

    I think (and hope) things will improve over the course of the season, but it’s one thing about him that’s still bugging me.

    Inge had 18 last year.

  90. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:43 pm

    By all rights we should have lost this game already. So if we can somehow pull something out, that would be awesome.

  91. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 3:44 pm

    greg — Grilli has a combined 5 earned runs from his first innings (4.2 IP), while he has no earned runs from the remaining 3.1 IP

  92. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    There is always going to be a constant comparison between Miggy’s and Inge’s defense. Miggy will just never be as good defensively although he appears to be improving despite the errors just as Inge will never be Miggy at the plate.

  93. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 3:46 pm

    it’s games like today why grilli still manages to have a job.

  94. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    April in the D, April in the D

  95. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    I’ll take second and third with no one out plz.

  96. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    April in the D has been pretty good for Detroit economically. Hope it continues all month.

  97. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Interesting, thanks Dave. Obviously its too small of a sample size to draw any conclusions, but I wonder if he’d fare batter as a starter, or at least situations where you get 3-4 innings out of him.

    He’s got the velocity and decent movement on his pitches, but it seems that early control problems and mistake pitches do him in.

  98. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Grilli’s actually pretty effective with a couple caveats: never let him throw to left-handers. Or at home.

    Other than that, he’s awesome!

  99. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Oh God…. B.J. Ryan

  100. Sky

    April 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Can be frustrating…….3rd is where sluggers go to learn infield

  101. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Boy, bullpen did the job today, kept us close. Really nice job by Rapada who worked around Raburn’s error.

    Any chance we can push this thing to extras? BJ Ryan is very tough, but is he healthy? And we’ve got some good righty bats for him.

  102. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Never thought Miggy would wear his socks up but he seems pretty comfortable with that look!

  103. Mark in Chicago

    April 19, 2008 at 3:55 pm

    Wow, that slider dove, that is a nasty pitch. Ryan got the favorable call on 2-1, though. That pitch was inside.

  104. Dave BW

    April 19, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    a really strange base hit by pudge keeps the game going

    UPDATE: for about five seconds.

  105. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Rough day for Raburn.

  106. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    Ryan doing his best Todd Jones impression. C’mon Rayburn.

  107. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Well, at least we had a chance. We shouldn’t have.

  108. Mike in CT

    April 19, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Bah…two two-run HRs missed by a total of two feet. Bah!!!!

  109. greg

    April 19, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Wow, called strike 3 to end the game…..that should never happen.

  110. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    How about Pudge? Didn’t hit the ball hard all day and gets three hits.

    Okay, he hit the sac fly pretty hard.

  111. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    Mike: it’s more like 3. Guillen’s double, and Raburn’s double and fly-out.

  112. Adam

    April 19, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Leyland’s eating again! HAHA.

  113. Chris

    April 19, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    I think tomorrow’s game is the must win and likely the best chance to get a split in this series. God I hope Nate has his stuff because I’m not too optimistic about Monday. As much as I want to see Galarraga pitch again, I don’t like the chances of getting lightning to strike twice.

  114. Kathy

    April 19, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Maybe he’s hungry for a win, Adam!

  115. Matt

    April 19, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Chris:

    I’m far more optimistic about Galarraga pitching well as opposed to any of our other starters.

  116. Pimpbot 5000

    April 19, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    good point galarraga has pitched the best lately but, i don’t think that will last. they will figure him out eventually if they can’t fix the starters its gonna be a long year. rogers can win some games on grit, Robertson should win tomarrow if his whatever muscle holds up. Verlander and Bondo are scarry

  117. Pimpbot 5000

    April 19, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Scarry bad not scarry good
    and oh yeah Grilli still SUCKS