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	<title>Comments on: Game 17:  Tigers at Blue Jays</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Spicer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/game-17-tigers-at-blue-jays/#comment-80985</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Spicer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 18:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the game last night, and Cabrera was impressive.  Everything he hit was incredibly hard.

Like others here I was disappointed with the decisions to lead-off Pudge and bunt Inge.  But it all worked out fine in the end.  I don&#039;t know whose idea the bunt was.  During a stoppage in play just before the bunt, Inge walked down the line and had a long chat with Lamont.  Maybe it was Inge&#039;s idea?

Lots of Tiger fans at the dome, and I&#039;ll be back on Sunday and Monday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the game last night, and Cabrera was impressive.  Everything he hit was incredibly hard.</p>
<p>Like others here I was disappointed with the decisions to lead-off Pudge and bunt Inge.  But it all worked out fine in the end.  I don&#8217;t know whose idea the bunt was.  During a stoppage in play just before the bunt, Inge walked down the line and had a long chat with Lamont.  Maybe it was Inge&#8217;s idea?</p>
<p>Lots of Tiger fans at the dome, and I&#8217;ll be back on Sunday and Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link.  Apparently a subject of great concern for Ryans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.  Apparently a subject of great concern for Ryans.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 14:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan,

check out this site for a Vance Wilson update. http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2008/04/vance_wilson_update_and_other.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan,</p>
<p>check out this site for a Vance Wilson update. <a href="http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2008/04/vance_wilson_update_and_other.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mlive.com/tigers/in.....other.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 13:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone heard anything about how Vance&#039;s rehab is going?  I&#039;m pretty sure a Pudge playing 145 games is going to be a very bad Pudge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone heard anything about how Vance&#8217;s rehab is going?  I&#8217;m pretty sure a Pudge playing 145 games is going to be a very bad Pudge.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and if we talk about velocity - there&#039;s not just one reading. If they&#039;re measuring speed simply based on the time it takes to leave the pitcher&#039;s hand and hit the glove divided by the distance to produce an average velocity, that&#039;s different than, say, radar gun. Or determining through video analysis the actual momentary velocity of the baseball as it passes through the strike zone.

All I&#039;m saying is there&#039;s always going to be different readings. Hence: they can all be &quot;right.&quot; And even if you had a consistent reading, you&#039;d have to know how it was calculated for you to understand just which speed you&#039;re actually referencing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and if we talk about velocity &#8211; there&#8217;s not just one reading. If they&#8217;re measuring speed simply based on the time it takes to leave the pitcher&#8217;s hand and hit the glove divided by the distance to produce an average velocity, that&#8217;s different than, say, radar gun. Or determining through video analysis the actual momentary velocity of the baseball as it passes through the strike zone.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is there&#8217;s always going to be different readings. Hence: they can all be &#8220;right.&#8221; And even if you had a consistent reading, you&#8217;d have to know how it was calculated for you to understand just which speed you&#8217;re actually referencing.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s talk about Cabrera. 

The other night I was watching the game (I don&#039;t know which, maybe it was yesterday&#039;s? Yeah?). Anyway, Cabrera&#039;s up, and he takes two pitches that are clearly balls. He gets back in the box, and the next pitch is a strike right down the middle. Thing is, as it&#039;s coming, he just steps back out of the box, as if he doesn&#039;t care that anyone&#039;s trying to pitch to him. The next pitch he just watches, calmly. It&#039;s another strike. 2-2. At this point, I&#039;m getting from his body language that he knows he&#039;s going to get a pitch to hit, and that he&#039;s going to hit it hard somewhere, and that he&#039;s absolutely not worried about it. He doesn&#039;t even have to try. I&#039;m like, &quot;He&#039;s going to get a hit.&quot;

The next pitch comes and he rips a single up the middle.

And I&#039;ve seen the way A-Rod presses at the plate - I mean, the guy is great but if he just let his talent loose and didn&#039;t worry so much he&#039;d be so much better. And I feel like Cabrera is doing that. He&#039;s A-Rod without the pressure. Just a lot of gentle, nourishing encouragement. And I feel like he&#039;s going to take off and take us with him.

Gonna mash.

I said it here first. MVP 2008? Miguel Cabrera.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s talk about Cabrera. </p>
<p>The other night I was watching the game (I don&#8217;t know which, maybe it was yesterday&#8217;s? Yeah?). Anyway, Cabrera&#8217;s up, and he takes two pitches that are clearly balls. He gets back in the box, and the next pitch is a strike right down the middle. Thing is, as it&#8217;s coming, he just steps back out of the box, as if he doesn&#8217;t care that anyone&#8217;s trying to pitch to him. The next pitch he just watches, calmly. It&#8217;s another strike. 2-2. At this point, I&#8217;m getting from his body language that he knows he&#8217;s going to get a pitch to hit, and that he&#8217;s going to hit it hard somewhere, and that he&#8217;s absolutely not worried about it. He doesn&#8217;t even have to try. I&#8217;m like, &#8220;He&#8217;s going to get a hit.&#8221;</p>
<p>The next pitch comes and he rips a single up the middle.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve seen the way A-Rod presses at the plate &#8211; I mean, the guy is great but if he just let his talent loose and didn&#8217;t worry so much he&#8217;d be so much better. And I feel like Cabrera is doing that. He&#8217;s A-Rod without the pressure. Just a lot of gentle, nourishing encouragement. And I feel like he&#8217;s going to take off and take us with him.</p>
<p>Gonna mash.</p>
<p>I said it here first. MVP 2008? Miguel Cabrera.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 06:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince, I&#039;m with you. I don&#039;t find it inconceivable that he hit 93 (or hovered there for a few pitches), but I do find it to be less than likely. Gameday&#039;s data is a bit off on some readings. JJ Putz for the Mariners was recorded as hitting 95 in the game before he got hurt and everything I read on that game said he hit 91.

But either way, so long as Jones isn&#039;t walking anyone he should be okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince, I&#8217;m with you. I don&#8217;t find it inconceivable that he hit 93 (or hovered there for a few pitches), but I do find it to be less than likely. Gameday&#8217;s data is a bit off on some readings. JJ Putz for the Mariners was recorded as hitting 95 in the game before he got hurt and everything I read on that game said he hit 91.</p>
<p>But either way, so long as Jones isn&#8217;t walking anyone he should be okay.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike R:

Thanks for the stat. I guess I stand somewhat corrected. 91.7 isn&#039;t 93, but then it is faster than what I remembered from the end of the season last year. But, then I guess everybody is slowing down some by the end of the season. My judgement may have been skewed to the later games, since early in the season I wasn&#039;t paying as much attention to Gameday pitch data.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike R:</p>
<p>Thanks for the stat. I guess I stand somewhat corrected. 91.7 isn&#8217;t 93, but then it is faster than what I remembered from the end of the season last year. But, then I guess everybody is slowing down some by the end of the season. My judgement may have been skewed to the later games, since early in the season I wasn&#8217;t paying as much attention to Gameday pitch data.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vince in MN: &lt;a href=&quot;http://baseball.bornbybits.com/php/combined_tool.php?pit=116734&amp;bat=0&amp;type=-1&amp;result=-1&amp;count=-1&amp;r_spd=1&amp;spd=-1&amp;r_brx=1&amp;brx=-100&amp;r_brz=1&amp;brz=-100&amp;l_b=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Todd Jones average fastball&lt;/a&gt; last year was 91.68 mph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vince in MN: <a href="http://baseball.bornbybits.com/php/combined_tool.php?pit=116734&amp;bat=0&amp;type=-1&amp;result=-1&amp;count=-1&amp;r_spd=1&amp;spd=-1&amp;r_brx=1&amp;brx=-100&amp;r_brz=1&amp;brz=-100&amp;l_b=0" rel="nofollow">Todd Jones average fastball</a> last year was 91.68 mph.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bullpen seems to be coming around (with the exception of Grilli, who vacillates between decent and awful and Miner, who is just awful), but the rotation still seems to be stuck in neutral. The lack of command (high pitch counts and way to many BBs) are killing us there.  Rogers and Verlander are particularly missing the strike zone a lot. And Willis - yikes! (his going on the DL may be a blessing in disguise). It wasn&#039;t supposed to be this way. 

Speaking of relief pitchers, who is this Neal Blaine guy in Toledo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bullpen seems to be coming around (with the exception of Grilli, who vacillates between decent and awful and Miner, who is just awful), but the rotation still seems to be stuck in neutral. The lack of command (high pitch counts and way to many BBs) are killing us there.  Rogers and Verlander are particularly missing the strike zone a lot. And Willis &#8211; yikes! (his going on the DL may be a blessing in disguise). It wasn&#8217;t supposed to be this way. </p>
<p>Speaking of relief pitchers, who is this Neal Blaine guy in Toledo?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 04:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Chris. Dombrowski has taken some flak regarding the bull-pen, but he could be looking like a genius in a month or two. Bautista is a stud, and hopefully Cruceta proves to be one as well. If Zumaya re-builds arm strength during the offseason, we could be sitting &lt;i&gt;very&lt;/i&gt; pretty in &#039;09. But that&#039;s looking way ahead.

In response to the postgame: I&#039;m enjoying watching Cabrera (now that he&#039;s put the slow start behind him) too. A game or two ago, he argued a strike call, only to blow a kiss to the ump after calling the next pitch a ball. Iluhvit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Chris. Dombrowski has taken some flak regarding the bull-pen, but he could be looking like a genius in a month or two. Bautista is a stud, and hopefully Cruceta proves to be one as well. If Zumaya re-builds arm strength during the offseason, we could be sitting <i>very</i> pretty in &#8216;09. But that&#8217;s looking way ahead.</p>
<p>In response to the postgame: I&#8217;m enjoying watching Cabrera (now that he&#8217;s put the slow start behind him) too. A game or two ago, he argued a strike call, only to blow a kiss to the ump after calling the next pitch a ball. Iluhvit.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bautista is proving to be a good 8th inning man. Lopez is making a strong case as a front-line middle reliever. Seay, despite having a rough week, still deserves our confidence as a good situational lefty reliever. And Jones has been his usual scary-yet-reliable self.

If somehow they can hold the line until we get Zumaya, Rodney and Cruceta -- assuming these pitchers are as effective as advertised-- the Tiger&#039;s bullpen could shape up to be one of the best in the majors.

This is a big what-if, but there is real potential here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bautista is proving to be a good 8th inning man. Lopez is making a strong case as a front-line middle reliever. Seay, despite having a rough week, still deserves our confidence as a good situational lefty reliever. And Jones has been his usual scary-yet-reliable self.</p>
<p>If somehow they can hold the line until we get Zumaya, Rodney and Cruceta &#8212; assuming these pitchers are as effective as advertised&#8211; the Tiger&#8217;s bullpen could shape up to be one of the best in the majors.</p>
<p>This is a big what-if, but there is real potential here.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>billfer:

As to Jones&#039; fastball, my memory may be off, but I seem to recall he was consistently in the high 80s but rarely got over 90 last year with his &quot;heater&quot;. He is more of a finesse pitcher (fewer Ks and Ws) than the power pitcher he was earlier in his career. It seems that if he was consistently in the mid 90s he would have a higher K total. I don&#039;t  mean to say that he can never get it up there, but Gameday had him consistently at 93MPH on the fastball, and I just don&#039;t believe that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>billfer:</p>
<p>As to Jones&#8217; fastball, my memory may be off, but I seem to recall he was consistently in the high 80s but rarely got over 90 last year with his &#8220;heater&#8221;. He is more of a finesse pitcher (fewer Ks and Ws) than the power pitcher he was earlier in his career. It seems that if he was consistently in the mid 90s he would have a higher K total. I don&#8217;t  mean to say that he can never get it up there, but Gameday had him consistently at 93MPH on the fastball, and I just don&#8217;t believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Kzoo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in Kzoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont know pimpbot but I think that Bautista should keep rondney&#039;s job until proven other wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont know pimpbot but I think that Bautista should keep rondney&#8217;s job until proven other wise.</p>
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		<title>By: Pimpbot 5000</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pimpbot 5000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 03:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we can get some starting pitching we may have a chance this year. How Good is Rodney gonna be if he comes back?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can get some starting pitching we may have a chance this year. How Good is Rodney gonna be if he comes back?????</p>
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