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Game 11: Tigers at White Sox

PREGAME: You know, after that 0-7 start the Tigers have been playing .667 ball. I’m just sayin’. They’ll try to improve that to .750 ball this afternoon with Justin Verlander taking on Gavin Floyd.

The Tigers can’t seem to hit Floyd at all so something needs to change. Floyd held them to 3 runs (all driven in by Brandon Inge) when he faced them on Saturday.

Verlander struggled in his last start, but wasn’t helped by poor infield defense. Including Carlos Guillen dropping a Miguel Cabrera throw. That won’t happen today because Guillen is out of the lineup due to the hammy he tweaked last night.

Your lineup courtesy of Jason Beck:

1. Thomas, CF
2. Polanco, 2B
3. Sheffield, DH
4. Ordonez, RF
5. Cabrera, 1B
6. Jones, LF
7. Renteria, SS
8. Rodriguez, C
9. Inge, 3B

Game Time 1:05

DET @ CHW, Saturday, April 12, 2008 Game Preview – Baseball-Reference.com

Posted by on April 12, 2008.

Categories: 2008 Season, Game Post

156 Responses

  1. I would have liked to see Leyland rest Cabrera today, too. That hamstring didn’t look too good last night. Play Thames at first.

    by Kyle J on Apr 12, 2008 at 12:40 pm

  2. clete thomas on fire

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:09 pm

  3. He’s gotta get the day off tomorrow then if he makes it through today.

    by Jim in Mac on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:10 pm

  4. lol that was a pretty bad decision to go home by clete though right?

    GET EM TIGERS

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:11 pm

  5. Does anyone else want to see Clete stay and Jones go when Grandy is back?

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:12 pm

  6. walt if he keeps producing for sure. if they are even results, keep the vet for a bench presence.

    also: so close for maggs!

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:15 pm

  7. Sheffield has become frustratingly useless in easy RBI opportunities.

    by Brian P on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:18 pm

  8. I don’t see how they could send Clete down. It’s not just that he’s producing, it’s that he’s doing it with such composure for a kid coming straight from AA ball.

    by Kyle J on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:19 pm

  9. How much would he have to be producing to be even with Jones though.

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:23 pm

  10. What is it about Gavin Floyd to whom the Tigers can’t seam to hit?

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:32 pm

  11. lets take avantage of these walks like everyone does to us!

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:40 pm

  12. WWCTD? woot woot. let’s get some runs this time, fellas.

    Aw crap.

    by Bix in Boise on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:40 pm

  13. GOSH!

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:40 pm

  14. That is what I am always afraid of with this lineup, Floyd walks two gus back to back and polanco swings at the first pitch. Not smart.

    by boombotti on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:42 pm

  15. Guillen being out may actually be very good for our pitching staff. No more meltdowns due to Guillen’s Defense, and Verlander should be able to pitch deeper into the game w/o Carlos giving the opponent additional outs.

    His bat will be missed.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:43 pm

  16. How many GIDPs are we up to now on the season?

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:43 pm

  17. Swisher looks ridiculous with the blond goatee…someone needs to tell him.

    by Bix in Boise on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:45 pm

  18. nice catch by jones

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:45 pm

  19. Nice grab by Jones. I wonder if Swisher knows about that thing growing on his chin.

    Dammit

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:46 pm

  20. Jeez! I wish Polanco could have made that a better AB at the very least. If we are not going to score when the opportunity arises, at the very least we need to get the opponent pitcher’s pitch count up. Grounding into a DP on the first pitch is the worst thing a hitter could do.

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:46 pm

  21. Yeah! Cabrera homer!

    oh, wait…

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:48 pm

  22. 18!? 18 double plays?

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:56 pm

  23. Was Maggs safe at first on that DP? I didn’t get a good angle, but it sure looked like he was through the base when the ball got there.

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 1:57 pm

  24. These DPs are killing us. Floyd is not that sharp today yet the Tiger’s heart of the order has simply helped him out by NOT working up the pitch count and hitting into DPs.

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:01 pm

  25. Not to be a jerk, but would anyone on this board mind if Pierzynski blew out his knee or something?

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:03 pm

  26. I thought so too, but I didn’t see a good replay. Short answer is: he was called out, so he’s out.

    Nice turn. Too bad it wasn’t in time.

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:03 pm

  27. i thought he was safe too, but maybe they are trying to make up for some bad calls yesterday…

    by boombotti on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:05 pm

  28. They have to be on an all time record setting pace for dp’s, no?

    Maybe they should get some H & R’s going, and/or have the hitters change their approach.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:08 pm

  29. COME ON GET A HIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:12 pm

  30. It looks like the home-plate umpire is the only one trying to knock Floyd out of the game.

    by Brian P on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:12 pm

  31. So help me, if Gavin Floyd no-hits us (and I have to listen to Hawk and DJ call it) I am going to absolutely flip out.

    How does this guy consistently dominate us and get shelled by the rest of the league?

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:13 pm

  32. I was thinking the same thing Brian.

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:14 pm

  33. What time did this game start? I turned on the TV (Comcast out of Chicago) at 1 PM Central time and the game is in the 6th already? WTF?!?!

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:21 pm

  34. This is why Polanco’s horrible DP on the 1st pitch is so costly. Gavin Floyd is getting into trouble by walking batters. Under such situations if, at the very worst, Polonco and Sheffield make Floyd work at ending the inning, his pitch count goes up and we can see a reliever sooner. Floyd’s mastery over the Tigers is limited to 6 innings. But instead, his pitch count remains low, he finds his groove in the middle innings and he’ll likely go into the eighth.

    He might even get a no-hitter.

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:21 pm

  35. There’s not going to be a reliever anyway.

    Not if Ozzie’s going to let him try to finish the No-Hitter.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:25 pm

  36. Quote

    This is why Polanco’s horrible DP on the 1st pitch is so costly. Gavin Floyd is getting into trouble by walking batters. Under such situations if, at the very worst, Polonco and Sheffield make Floyd work at ending the inning, his pitch count goes up and we can see a reliever sooner. Floyd’s mastery over the Tigers is limited to 6 innings. But instead, his pitch count remains low, he finds his groove in the middle innings and he’ll likely go into the eighth.

    This type of poor approach at the plate is why the Tigers so often make scrub pitchers look like Sandy Koufax. Its why they don’t score runs, its why they often lose.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:28 pm

  37. Is it possible to jinx a ho hitter?

    Just in case.

    NO HITTER
    NO HITTER
    NO HITTER
    NO HITTER
    NO HITTER

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:28 pm

  38. I was thinking the same thing walt. can you jinx the opposition? I dont know, but let’s give it a try.

    Floyd is gonna get this no hitter.

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:30 pm

  39. This is the inning folks.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:33 pm

  40. Mario and Rod are up to the same thing!

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:34 pm

  41. Floyd’s career ERA = 6.24

    Floyd’s ERA vs. Detroit = 3.03 (not counting today)

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:35 pm

  42. Buy a longer shirt, orange hat…

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:37 pm

  43. This is embarrassing.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:38 pm

  44. This is sickening.

    Gavin

    #$%^ing

    Floyd

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:39 pm

  45. Floyd is not going to get a no-hitter

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:39 pm

  46. Honestly, getting nohit might do them some good, the Brewer bats were in a funk last year, and Verlander’s No hitter woke them up from their sleepwalking at the plate, they went on a tear after that game.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:40 pm

  47. And to think…this game started so well in the first inning, too.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:41 pm

  48. A.J. = A** Jockey

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:41 pm

  49. Well…there could be some upside if Floyd gets the no hitter, it might cause Hawk Harrelson’s head to explode, which would be nice.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:42 pm

  50. “Buy a longer shirt, orange hat…”

    Ha!

    Maggs was doing his Thome impression, but at least he didn’t get himself thrown out.

    I would hate to see the team throw away the great effort by Verlander.

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:42 pm

  51. “Floyd’s career ERA = 6.24

    Floyd’s ERA vs. Detroit = 3.03 (not counting today)”

    We’ll see him struggle against Cleveland though. You can bet on it…..

    I HATE GAVIN FLOYD

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:42 pm

  52. Gavin is definitely going to get this no hitter. There is no doubt in my mind. There is just no way that he is going to give up a homer in the next inning. No way in hell.

    by Ken from Cincinnati on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:44 pm

  53. Maybe Clete Thomas can bunt for a hit and earn immortal status on this page.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  54. There’s no way Floyd makes it through this inning. He’s tired.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  55. If there’s any bright side to this game so far, at least Verlander has saved the pen after what happened last night.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm

  56. I was gunna say have Jaque try for a bunt

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:47 pm

  57. da dum dum – thank you rod you genus

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:48 pm

  58. Joke Jones tried to hit that one back to Detroit.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:49 pm

  59. Agreed. Definite no-hitter. No doubt. No batting around in the eighth today.

    Verlander so far: 7IP 2H 1ER 3K 3BB 87TP. And in line for the loss. Good times.

    by Ryan on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:49 pm

  60. swinging at balls out of the strike zone…..

    ….that makes it easy for them.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  61. Alright!

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  62. nvm thanks eddy

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  63. wooooooooohooooooooooo

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  64. AMEN

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  65. Told ya.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  66. Yay.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:50 pm

  67. The Jinx Works!!! Nice Job Guys….

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  68. Jones is an idiot. In this type of ballgame, when someone throws you 3 straight balls you take the next pitch. Instead he swings at ball 4 and then strikes out. He should be on 3rd base right now with no outs. Unbelievable.

    by Ken from Cincinnati on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  69. Thank GAWD for that hit. Screw Gavin. Floyd

    Overshadowed here is the terrific job Verlander did. Any chance we can push across acouple runs this inning?

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  70. hey hey, i was hoping it would rain harder and they would delay the game and gavin would most likely have to then get pulled once it restarted in 90 mins.

    by JOE Z on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:52 pm

  71. Now’s the time for runs, because they aint hitting Jenks.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:53 pm

  72. you have got to be kidding me…

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:54 pm

  73. Ken –

    Jones is an idiot. In this type of ballgame, when someone throws you 3 straight balls you take the next pitch. Instead he swings at ball 4 and then strikes out. He should be on 3rd base right now with no outs. Unbelievable.

    Amen, this is the scouting report on some of the hackers in the lineup, we saw that from Pudge and Inge the last 2 months of 2007, we’re seeing it now from Pudge and Jacque. Inge fortunately, has changed his approach. Pudge knows that’s all there is to it, but he just chooses not to. He’d rather ground out than take a walk.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm

  74. Jeez….GIDP….again.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm

  75. Yay! Floyd has his no-hitter broken up. Bad sportsmanship is all I have left now :)

    by Dave BW on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm

  76. Insert string of curse words here….

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:55 pm

  77. I won’t accept any credit until the score a run. How do we get that to happen?

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:56 pm

  78. Three shutouts in the first 11 games. Great.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:56 pm

  79. I know Floyd was pitching well but the Tigs sure made hin look like a rockstar.

    by Jim in Mac on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  80. So much for that… bring on Bobby “The Twitch” Jenks. Maybe he won’t be able to find time for throwing the ball between the rain and all his tics.

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  81. 19 GIDPs in 11 games. Unreal.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:57 pm

  82. Was there ever a doubt that Pudge would GIDP?

    ….of course not, we knew it before it happened.

    Its not bad luck, its a bad approach.

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:58 pm

  83. Is there some clause in Tigers’ contracts that state they get a bonus for GIDP?

    by T Smith on Apr 12, 2008 at 2:58 pm

  84. Our first great start from a starting pitchers and its going to be wasted…when it rains, it pours.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  85. We have one hit and grounded into 3 DPs.

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:00 pm

  86. ouch…

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  87. That was the bat that made that sound, not his head.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:03 pm

  88. This is starting to get a little scary

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:05 pm

  89. Got to keep this game at 1-0.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm

  90. Yeah, what we really don’t need is for Verlander to fall over and mess up his knee as well…

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:06 pm

  91. Don’t pull him. Let him get Konerko.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:07 pm

  92. It was his head.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:08 pm

  93. (Trying the jinx thing) Konerko won’t GIDP here.

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:09 pm

  94. Justin, are you kidding me?

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:10 pm

  95. That wasn’t his elbow, it was the handle of the bat.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:10 pm

  96. not smart

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:11 pm

  97. 5 million bucks that didn’t hit Konerko. What a stupid idiot.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:11 pm

  98. Keith: No – all it hit was Pudge’s glove.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:13 pm

  99. That was a bone-headed play not to get Konerko at first. Don’t Cabrera and Polanco both hable espanol.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:13 pm

  100. So…it didn’t hit him? Have to listen to the audio, since the MLB.tv is a no-go with Hawk and DJ.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:13 pm

  101. Yeah, let’s leave him in.

    Funny, Jim. Funny.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:15 pm

  102. Let’s Go Red Wings!

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:15 pm

  103. I really don’t think there’s anyone on the planet I hate more than Pierszinski.

    At least the Wings are winning.

    by Mark in Chicago on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:16 pm

  104. Well, that’s it.

    AJ, I’m sure you’re a great guy, but if you tear your knee in that mud today I won’t shed any tears.

    by Mike in CT on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:16 pm

  105. We hate Pierzynski even more than we hate Joe Crede, although it’s close.

    JL is kind of doing the Trammell thing where, although there are signs of trouble, he waits until runs are actually scored before pulling the pitcher. But I guess he doesn’t have all that much to work with.

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:17 pm

  106. Well, this is over.

    Wings just went up 2-0 on a holmstrom goal if anyone is interested.

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  107. Pierzynsky just kills this team.

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:18 pm

  108. I hate Manny more.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:19 pm

  109. Was it just me, or was leaving JV in after a walk and a HBP at 100 pitches indefensibly bad managing?

    by Ryan on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  110. Why was Verlander still pitching???

    Where was Seay to face Thome with 2 men on. Where was he again with a run in and the bases loaded to face AJ?

    It’s like Leyland had already conceded that we weren’t going to hit Jenks in the 9th and he wanted to save his bullets for tomorrow. I just don’t get it.

    by Sideshow Cecil on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  111. What is that thing on Jenks’ face? We were too busy drowning our sorrows by the end of the other Sox games to notice that.

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:20 pm

  112. I think it was actually Lidstrom’s goal. Holmstrom provided a perfect screen but it looked to me like it was a clean shot into the upper corner. In case anyone is interested….

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:21 pm

  113. I don’t know, maybe Verlander could have been pulled like…after he walked a guy and hit two guys?

    No?

    Oh, I guess you’re smarter than me then.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:21 pm

  114. Make it stop…

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:22 pm

  115. You may be right, I’ve been flipping back and forth and just caught a glimpse of it

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:22 pm

  116. I hate the entire Sox team, but Uribe might be at the very top of the list.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:23 pm

  117. What a shame. Verlander really puts together a good outing but will likely get tagged for six runs.

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:23 pm

  118. Umm, speaking of which, i flip back and it’s 2-2?

    April in the D, April in the D…

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:24 pm

  119. One positive to draw from this game…at least Jenks won’t get the save now.

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:25 pm

  120. I just flipped back too, and thought WHAT????

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm

  121. Mario and Rod not a fan of the facial hair either… also resorting to making fun of the other team… can’t blame them

    by McB. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:27 pm

  122. Of all the things to happen through these first 11 games, the complete disappearance of the Placido Polanco we all know and love–both at the plate and in the field–is the most baffling.

    by Kyle J on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:28 pm

  123. GOAL! 3-2. this is a damn good game, end your pain and switch to NBC

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:29 pm

  124. Do you think Jenks and Swisher went in together on the bottle of hair dye?

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  125. Also, I will stop flooding the page with hockey talk now. Sorry lol.

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  126. umm…….

    Lets go Redwngs?

    by Walt at CMU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  127. Ground ball that’s not a DP with a runner on 1B? Has that happened in 2008 yet?

    by greg on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:31 pm

  128. Polanco has been the biggest disappointment to me as well. Correct me if i’m wrong, but he has the lowest avg on the team i think. the entire offense is a disappointment thus far, and i cant wait til granderson gets back.

    As for swisher and jenks, i really hope they got drunk, passed out, and somebody did that to them. F’n morons.

    by Key @ GVSU on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:33 pm

  129. 3 shutouts in 11 games is simply unbelievable for this team. I think that matches last season’s total.

    by Tbone on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:35 pm

  130. New state slogan
    Welcome to Michigan, Baseball Used To Be Played Here

    by stephen on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:35 pm

  131. time to face it…we are currently the worst team in baseball.

    i was concerned when the second half of spring training brought an extended losing streak. i was more concerned with the two game set in houston when we pounded a pitcher who no longer has it but were shut down in the second game by one who does. we left the spring season sending down most of the top averages on the club even though none were expected to make the tigers. our best hitters presently are a double AA player and the guy we tried to trade all off season. the manager, the manager, MR hunch…why did bobby seay not come in to face pierzynski?

    if you think this is just going to be a quick turn around and back to winning ball…think again. we are in big trouble. no pen, questionable starting pitching, no regular first baseman and some guys coming off career years who are not showing much life to this point.

    so much promise…?

    by charlie on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:39 pm

  132. 3-3 road trip?

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:42 pm

  133. Maybe we should all offer one non-baseball recommendation as means of putting this in perspective and giving us reason to go on. Keep them apolitical and non-controversial!

    I say you can’t go wrong with Nick Lowe’s new record.

    by stephen on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:42 pm

  134. Gotta love the way Leyland uses that 8-man bullpen.

    by Vince in MN on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:46 pm

  135. When this place opens its doors for the season, spring will get much sweeter. Feeling down about Tigers Baseball? I recommend Wally’s. Best ice cream in the city!

    http://wallysfrozencustard.com/

    by Joey C. on Apr 12, 2008 at 3:49 pm

  136. Does Wally’s offer SPAM flavored ice cream?

    by Chris on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:03 pm

  137. Leyland pulled a Trammel today with leaving JV in wayy too long

    Wheras in Bondos last start he was classic Leyland taking him out after 5 and a bit then complaining the next day when Nate got bombed in the 4th and he had to take him out and complained that guys have to last longer

    If they have to last longer leave them IN LONGER DUMMY

    most of the time what happened today doesnt happen with him its the opposite, but still any idiot (the guy in the hat) could see Verlander was done

    Leyland IMO has already cost this team a few wins

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:06 pm

  138. Nothing beats a Caramel Marvel at Beaner’s Biggby Coffee. Yum!

    Note: Just following Stephen’s suggestion to offer one non-baseball recommendation – not spamming.

    by Andrew on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:11 pm

  139. Same here Andrew and Chris. Although after re-reading my post I get the criticism. Anyway, I don’t live in Detroit anymore, but if I did, the thought of that place opening would make me feel better about things.

    by Joey C. on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:21 pm

  140. The Masters on CBS is a reason to go on living….

    by Keith in IA on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:34 pm

  141. man this team sucks.

    by Matt on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:40 pm

  142. Will this team ever get serious this season? I swear, this team is awful. Leyland left Verlander in way too long and the rest of the team looks like they have their heads in the cloud. I hate to say it, but I think this team shouldn’t even be thinking about the playoffs this year, they should thinking about finishing at .500.

    by Brenden on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:44 pm

  143. Skipped the game today, just couldn’t take it. But I was just watching the Yankees-Red Sox game and Sean Casey turned in a backhanded, off balance putout that will certainly make Webgems tonight. Just saying.
    Have a great evening, all. Go Wings!!

    by cib on Apr 12, 2008 at 4:57 pm

  144. Why shouldn’t Casey join the club? That’s the “first basemen who suck while in Detroit, but play great for their new team” club.

    by Joey C. on Apr 12, 2008 at 5:08 pm

  145. I don’t think Sean Casey “sucked” here. He hit 300. Had a hit almost every time he was pulled off the bench to pinch.

    I mean, not only that, but he was a good fielder.

    by Adam on Apr 12, 2008 at 5:32 pm

  146. Well, here’s a bit of good news, hopefully. Raburn is being called up for tomorrow’s game and so is Galarraga.

    by Kathy on Apr 12, 2008 at 5:34 pm

  147. No Adam, Casey did suck here. He was a lead footed first baseman with no power who hit about .285 with a slugging % of about .385 over 2006 and 2007. Those are fine numbers for a backup catcher, not for a starting AL first baseman.

    by Stephen on Apr 12, 2008 at 5:59 pm

  148. I still get a kick out of the fact, that 25 plus years after Bill James made an impression that people still pull out the almighty nearly useless batting average stat when making an argument.

    by KS on Apr 12, 2008 at 6:47 pm

  149. “Almighty nearly useless?” Are you attempting to write something in English?

    And are you contesting the assertion that Casey wasn’t very good, or are you just belittling someone else’s comment for kicks. If it’s the former, why don’t you include something more illuminating in your post than a thinly veiled suggestion that another person is ignorant.

    by Joey C. on Apr 12, 2008 at 7:45 pm

  150. I’ll tell you one thing, when your team has a collective .240 BA it normally isn’t good (not assuming they dont hit for power/take walks)

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 8:05 pm

  151. http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/.....8;c_id=det

    WOW

    Grilli gains early confidence
    Leyland impressed by reliever’s recent outing

    “Hopefully that’ll get him going,” Leyland said, “because he’s got too good stuff not to pitch good. Jason Grilli’s got good stuff, no question about it. He’s got too good stuff to not pitch well, and I’m not talking about every single time out. Nobody pitches great every time out, but he gave us a big lift, and he should’ve given himself a big lift.

    “That should be a big plus for him and a nice little step forward to keep the confidence going a little bit. That’s what you’re hoping for. It’s kind of a wait and see.”

    Nobody pitches poorly every time out, that was Grillis one non-poor outing

    by David on Apr 12, 2008 at 8:10 pm

  152. And here I was thinking during that Thome at bat that if that last pitch had been called ball four, it could have been Grilli’s last pitch in the big leagues. (Because he would have been pulled from the game, released, and not picked up by any other teams.)

    But it’s clear that Leyland has some irrational affection for the guy and there’s probably nothing he can do to get cut.

    by Rick G on Apr 12, 2008 at 8:21 pm

  153. Joey, there’s nothing thinly veiled about it.

    by KS on Apr 12, 2008 at 8:53 pm

  154. Casey was good, but just not good enough. Plus, we were paying him millions. He’ll be fine in Boston and everyone will like him just like we did; then he’ll probably pull a muscle in his leg or hurt his back again.

    by Kathy on Apr 12, 2008 at 11:30 pm

  155. Get rid of Leyland before it’s too late to turn the season around. He’s unable to inspire this team. They’re playing with no heart.

    by ron on Apr 13, 2008 at 12:52 am

  156. In defense of the Mayor:

    I’m pretty sure I could beat Sean Casey in an arm restle and absolutely sure I could beat him in a straight-on foot race. Yes, his slugging numbers sucked — but that number is slightly skewed by the fact that so many of his singles could have been stretched into doubles, and so many of his doubles could have been stretched into triples — with just a modicum of speed. I’m not even talking Granderson-like speed, just average speed. The result: Good hitter who hits high for average, but whose slugging average sucks. (It also didn’t help that he couldn’t put a few more over the fence).

    But…. he was a consistant hitter, as I recall, and came thru with the one-bagger alot last year, just like we saw in Boston. Sometimes when you have a 1-9 lineup chock-full of bonifide sluggers, it doesn’t hurt to throw in a consistant hitter in the lineup who bats high for average to keep a rally alive every now and then. I would argue it helps the team chemistry. Sluggers tend to be much more streaky that hitters like Casey — if the whole lineup is on and slugging, well then, nobody is gonna beat them and you’d take anyone of those hitters over a powerless-bat like Casey, but we also see what happens when the whole lineup is off. All it would have taken to win 3 or 4 of the games we’ve already lost this year would have been a few timely singles up the middle — or a few hits to extend an inning for the next guy. We don’t always need the the long ball from every hitter to get the job done.

    by T Smith on Apr 13, 2008 at 11:50 am

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