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	<title>Comments on: Carlos Guillen appreciation time</title>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/carlos-guillen-appreciation-time/#comment-80734</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg,

Fair point that Pierre may no longer be as overrated, but until last year he was a starter ahead of a younger, cheaper, better player.  So people that matter in baseball circles thought enough of him to bat him leadoff, even.

I still maintain David Eckstein is the most overrated player in the game.  Most beat writers, analysts, and baseball people think he's a "gamer", which apparently is a euphemism for "not very good at the game of baseball".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg,</p>
<p>Fair point that Pierre may no longer be as overrated, but until last year he was a starter ahead of a younger, cheaper, better player.  So people that matter in baseball circles thought enough of him to bat him leadoff, even.</p>
<p>I still maintain David Eckstein is the most overrated player in the game.  Most beat writers, analysts, and baseball people think he&#8217;s a &#8220;gamer&#8221;, which apparently is a euphemism for &#8220;not very good at the game of baseball&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/carlos-guillen-appreciation-time/#comment-80688</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Billfer, yes, really.  We'll have to agree to disagree, as in my opinion, Carlos Guillen at SS last year made Jeter look like Ozzie Smith.  I think we agree, for the most part(I don't want to digress on that point), on his offense.  I just wish he was a DH....yes I know that's not happening.

Keep in mind overrated doesn't mean the worst, just overrated.

IMHO, I wouldn't call Juan Pierre overrated because, for the past 4-5 years, the circles I mix with, and the articles I read, the majority of sources I've read/heard rip him pretty bad, quite often stating that he has no business starting in the Majors.  I guess he's so overrated that he's no longer overrated, if that makes sense.  Of course most of what I read is saber/roto oriented, Baseball Prospectus, Baseball HQ etc. that genre.  

If Guillen can return to the form I saw briefly last year at 1B towards the end of the year, I'll be happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Billfer, yes, really.  We&#8217;ll have to agree to disagree, as in my opinion, Carlos Guillen at SS last year made Jeter look like Ozzie Smith.  I think we agree, for the most part(I don&#8217;t want to digress on that point), on his offense.  I just wish he was a DH&#8230;.yes I know that&#8217;s not happening.</p>
<p>Keep in mind overrated doesn&#8217;t mean the worst, just overrated.</p>
<p>IMHO, I wouldn&#8217;t call Juan Pierre overrated because, for the past 4-5 years, the circles I mix with, and the articles I read, the majority of sources I&#8217;ve read/heard rip him pretty bad, quite often stating that he has no business starting in the Majors.  I guess he&#8217;s so overrated that he&#8217;s no longer overrated, if that makes sense.  Of course most of what I read is saber/roto oriented, Baseball Prospectus, Baseball HQ etc. that genre.  </p>
<p>If Guillen can return to the form I saw briefly last year at 1B towards the end of the year, I&#8217;ll be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/carlos-guillen-appreciation-time/#comment-80685</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to nominate Juan Pierre as perhaps the most overrated, expecially since he makes like $10 million a year.  He consistently makes more outs than any other player in the game, due to his refusal to take a walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to nominate Juan Pierre as perhaps the most overrated, expecially since he makes like $10 million a year.  He consistently makes more outs than any other player in the game, due to his refusal to take a walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/carlos-guillen-appreciation-time/#comment-80684</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most overrated player in the game today is David Eckstein, although at one time a case could be made for Barry Zito, I suppose.  I won't even venture a guess who is the most overrated player of all time.  But I am 100% certain it's silly to say it's Carlos Guillen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most overrated player in the game today is David Eckstein, although at one time a case could be made for Barry Zito, I suppose.  I won&#8217;t even venture a guess who is the most overrated player of all time.  But I am 100% certain it&#8217;s silly to say it&#8217;s Carlos Guillen.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most overrated of all time?  Really?  Up until the end of last year he was better than Jeter defensively.  And there's no knocking Guillen's offense.  And yes, he had a rough first week defensively but has he had a miscue since that?  I think other than that first week his play at first has been fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most overrated of all time?  Really?  Up until the end of last year he was better than Jeter defensively.  And there&#8217;s no knocking Guillen&#8217;s offense.  And yes, he had a rough first week defensively but has he had a miscue since that?  I think other than that first week his play at first has been fine.</p>
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		<title>By: cib</title>
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		<dc:creator>cib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Tiff said.</description>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/04/carlos-guillen-appreciation-time/#comment-80678</link>
		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>overrated player of &lt;i&gt;all time&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>overrated player of <i>all time</i>?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't expect greg to post again.  I think he was just struck by lightning.  Anyway, I love me some Carlos but he's starting to become one of those guys who gets called underrated so much by so many people that I think he's now overrated.  OK maybe not overrated.  I'd say he's rated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t expect greg to post again.  I think he was just struck by lightning.  Anyway, I love me some Carlos but he&#8217;s starting to become one of those guys who gets called underrated so much by so many people that I think he&#8217;s now overrated.  OK maybe not overrated.  I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s rated.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I better duck while I say this, but in my opinion, I think Carlos Guillen just might be the most overrated player of all time, at least the most overrated that I can think of at the moment.  I'll grant you he swings a good bat.  No dispute there, but his defense is x-rated, Children shouldn't be allowed to see it, brutal to watch, i mean excruciating.  As a Tiger fan the last 3 years, he's the most frustrating, painful Tiger to watch, at least for me.

I will admit that, there was a brief stretch last year in which he played an average 1B.  That was tolerable.  But this year the snafus in the field have returned, in batallions .  Seeing him do his part, defensively, to turn 1 run gems by Verlander into 10+ run routes, its tough to take.  Last year we saw him blow scores of double play balls, not catch literally dozens of ground balls that he would catch easily if he just bent over farther, I'm not even asking him to dive, just bend over a little more and he'd field it and retire the batter easily.  But no.  Like Bartleby the scriviner, he prefers not to.

Kudos to him this week though for his key contributions offensively during the rallies.   I'd also love nothing more than for him to turn it around defensively and make this post look silly, but until he does, I'll have to start closing my eyes when the ball is hit his way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I better duck while I say this, but in my opinion, I think Carlos Guillen just might be the most overrated player of all time, at least the most overrated that I can think of at the moment.  I&#8217;ll grant you he swings a good bat.  No dispute there, but his defense is x-rated, Children shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to see it, brutal to watch, i mean excruciating.  As a Tiger fan the last 3 years, he&#8217;s the most frustrating, painful Tiger to watch, at least for me.</p>
<p>I will admit that, there was a brief stretch last year in which he played an average 1B.  That was tolerable.  But this year the snafus in the field have returned, in batallions .  Seeing him do his part, defensively, to turn 1 run gems by Verlander into 10+ run routes, its tough to take.  Last year we saw him blow scores of double play balls, not catch literally dozens of ground balls that he would catch easily if he just bent over farther, I&#8217;m not even asking him to dive, just bend over a little more and he&#8217;d field it and retire the batter easily.  But no.  Like Bartleby the scriviner, he prefers not to.</p>
<p>Kudos to him this week though for his key contributions offensively during the rallies.   I&#8217;d also love nothing more than for him to turn it around defensively and make this post look silly, but until he does, I&#8217;ll have to start closing my eyes when the ball is hit his way.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Detroit Tigers Weblog points out that Carlos Guillen has been a beast all season, even when the team was struggling and he did it all on a bad wheel. [...]</description>
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