Comments on: Should Detroit option Zumaya to Toledo? http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:22:19 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Eddie http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77532 Eddie Thu, 20 Mar 2008 02:16:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77532 I thought this as well, but I doubt it's much of an issue aside from possibly pushing his free agency back. I highly doubt Zumaya will command much in arbitration. I thought this as well, but I doubt it’s much of an issue aside from possibly pushing his free agency back. I highly doubt Zumaya will command much in arbitration.

]]> By: John http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77528 John Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:57:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77528 Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Detroit has made a habit of buying out the arbitration years lately, not demoting players to avoid paying up. Also, outside of 2006, Zumaya hasn't shown anything to prove to an arbitrator that he's worth any money. Let him get healthy, let him prove he can be effective again. Neither are a given -- he's had one mild, one sizeable, AND one career threatening injury at this point, and he's 24. If he's healthy, and he throws 100 mph again, the fans will continue to love him and the team will be happy to pay for him. If not.. K-rod will be on the market next year anyway. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Detroit has made a habit of buying out the arbitration years lately, not demoting players to avoid paying up. Also, outside of 2006, Zumaya hasn’t shown anything to prove to an arbitrator that he’s worth any money. Let him get healthy, let him prove he can be effective again. Neither are a given — he’s had one mild, one sizeable, AND one career threatening injury at this point, and he’s 24.

If he’s healthy, and he throws 100 mph again, the fans will continue to love him and the team will be happy to pay for him. If not.. K-rod will be on the market next year anyway.

]]> By: Steve http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77527 Steve Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:41:51 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77527 I think we we need to look at a good balance, Z probably needs to pitch in Toledo as he has pitched very little. While doing this he also needs to put the money thing aside. While its nice making the money in the majors, pitching in Toledo because you need to needs to be the paramount thing. Z is trying to be a stud big league pitcher and while maybe the exploding finger thing could not have been avoided, maybe (not looking for an argument here) moving the boxs could have been. So lets look at this from both sides. The club has an investment in him and he needs to develop his skill not just his bank account. Its called acountability. The money will be there if he has quality stuff and proves himself. If I were considering this move, I would sit him down and talk with him man to man. Joel this is about your career and getting you back to top form. We will make the lost money up to you and get you the contract you desire once we see that you are ready to go. We know you love Detroit and Detroit loves you. Now lets go get you some innings so you are ready to have a great 2nd half in Detroit and help us with the championship. What can he really say to that?. He knows he needs innings and that the move is really the best for him and the club. Steve I think we we need to look at a good balance, Z probably needs to pitch in Toledo as he has pitched very little. While doing this he also needs to put the money thing aside. While its nice making the money in the majors, pitching in Toledo because you need to needs to be the paramount thing.

Z is trying to be a stud big league pitcher and while maybe the exploding finger thing could not have been avoided, maybe (not looking for an argument here) moving the boxs could have been. So lets look at this from both sides. The club has an investment in him and he needs to develop his skill not just his bank account. Its called acountability.

The money will be there if he has quality stuff and proves himself. If I were considering this move, I would sit him down and talk with him man to man. Joel this is about your career and getting you back to top form. We will make the lost money up to you and get you the contract you desire once we see that you are ready to go. We know you love Detroit and Detroit loves you. Now lets go get you some innings so you are ready to have a great 2nd half in Detroit and help us with the championship.

What can he really say to that?. He knows he needs innings and that the move is really the best for him and the club.

Steve

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77526 Kyle J Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:13:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77526 TC Chris raises a good point. I'd have to believe it'd be hard to pull this off, as the injury would obviously be the reason. TC Chris raises a good point. I’d have to believe it’d be hard to pull this off, as the injury would obviously be the reason.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77523 Chris in Dallas Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:21:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77523 I dunno. It's an interesting theory anyway. At this point you aren't sure if he'll be anywhere remotely close to the 2006 Zumaya again so I don't think there's much risk in burning an arb year. If he ends up being a stud closer it could cost them (K-Rod got $10 million when he "lost" in arbitration), but I'm skeptical that he'll be able to reach that level. I dunno. It’s an interesting theory anyway. At this point you aren’t sure if he’ll be anywhere remotely close to the 2006 Zumaya again so I don’t think there’s much risk in burning an arb year. If he ends up being a stud closer it could cost them (K-Rod got $10 million when he “lost” in arbitration), but I’m skeptical that he’ll be able to reach that level.

]]> By: Blake http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77521 Blake Wed, 19 Mar 2008 14:02:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77521 I was actually thinking about that but wasn't real sure on the rules, so thanks. I really don't think they can option him to Toledo, it would be perceived as a jerk move I think. None of this has been his fault and I wonder how much money he'll be able to demand when it gets to that point given his injury history? I was actually thinking about that but wasn’t real sure on the rules, so thanks. I really don’t think they can option him to Toledo, it would be perceived as a jerk move I think. None of this has been his fault and I wonder how much money he’ll be able to demand when it gets to that point given his injury history?

]]> By: Deryl G http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77520 Deryl G Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:23:38 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77520 Just because one can do something, does not mean one ought to. I'd be against doing anything like this. If my employer figured out a way to pay me less than I was expecting, I'd be pretty upset. And I'd start looking for a new job as soon as I possibly could. Just because one can do something, does not mean one ought to. I’d be against doing anything like this. If my employer figured out a way to pay me less than I was expecting, I’d be pretty upset. And I’d start looking for a new job as soon as I possibly could.

]]> By: tiff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77519 tiff Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:24:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77519 They need to keep him close and keep an eye on him. I think an option to Toledo might be demoralizing for poor ol' sensitive Joel. They need to keep him close and keep an eye on him.
I think an option to Toledo might be demoralizing for poor ol’ sensitive Joel.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77518 Anthony Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:10:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77518 They should make sure there are no places to ride dune buggies in Toledo if they are going to do this. They should make sure there are no places to ride dune buggies in Toledo if they are going to do this.

]]> By: rings http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77517 rings Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:46:56 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77517 Unless Zoom gets healthy, smarter about his off-the-field activities, and recovers at least a portion of his former effectiveness, they won't have to worry much about his "payday" or arbitration number. Unless Zoom gets healthy, smarter about his off-the-field activities, and recovers at least a portion of his former effectiveness, they won’t have to worry much about his “payday” or arbitration number.

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77514 Vince in MN Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:39:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77514 That would be a PR nightmare, whether or not it makes sense (cents). Besides, I think the organization truly does take care of its players. That would be a PR nightmare, whether or not it makes sense (cents). Besides, I think the organization truly does take care of its players.

]]> By: Eric Cioe http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77513 Eric Cioe Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:14:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77513 Sure, if Zumaya brought this to the Tigers as a way of saying, "I'm sorry I've been injured so much. I want to stay in Detroit, and I want the team to be in a winning position when I come back in June (May). If this helps achieve that goal, then I would be willing to accept the assignment, provided that when it finally does come for me to get a payday, your wallet isn't empty." That quote is much easier to imagine if you picture him throwing up the devilhorns periodically, mouth guitaring random Metallica riffs, and saying, "I throw 103, braw, deal with it!" Sure, if Zumaya brought this to the Tigers as a way of saying, “I’m sorry I’ve been injured so much. I want to stay in Detroit, and I want the team to be in a winning position when I come back in June (May). If this helps achieve that goal, then I would be willing to accept the assignment, provided that when it finally does come for me to get a payday, your wallet isn’t empty.”

That quote is much easier to imagine if you picture him throwing up the devilhorns periodically, mouth guitaring random Metallica riffs, and saying, “I throw 103, braw, deal with it!”

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77512 David Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:36:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77512 It might teach him not to go around playing guitar hero before the playoffs/flipping bikes er ahem dropping a trophy on himself. That being said, they are getting record attendance, adding new seats, raising seat prices, and are probably generating a lot of other revenue from the team being more popular than its ever been (kinda nice kinda not - but thats another story) In any event because of the two injuries (hopefully there are no more in the future ;)) he will be seen as a risk, and thus will probably make more if they go to arbitration after this year (whether it is good or bad) That effect is somewhat negated if he has a spectacular end to '08 and does well in '09 Either way, like many have already posted, just like you don't push Cabrera from his most comfortable position, bat Sheffield 9th, etc. (well except for moving Guillen over to 1st) you don't try to do something that would piss off or anger a potential star. And I'm sure they won't Anyways thats my take on it. It might teach him not to go around playing guitar hero before the playoffs/flipping bikes er ahem dropping a trophy on himself.

That being said, they are getting record attendance, adding new seats, raising seat prices, and are probably generating a lot of other revenue from the team being more popular than its ever been (kinda nice kinda not – but thats another story)

In any event because of the two injuries (hopefully there are no more in the future ;) )

he will be seen as a risk, and thus will probably make more if they go to arbitration after this year (whether it is good or bad)

That effect is somewhat negated if he has a spectacular end to ‘08 and does well in ‘09

Either way, like many have already posted, just like you don’t push Cabrera from his most comfortable position, bat Sheffield 9th, etc. (well except for moving Guillen over to 1st) you don’t try to do something that would piss off or anger a potential star. And I’m sure they won’t

Anyways thats my take on it.

]]> By: TC Chris http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77511 TC Chris Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:17:18 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77511 I remember something from last season that might apply here. Anibal Sanchez of the Marlins was ineffective, demoted to AAA, then proven to be injured and placed on the DL down there. I think that he filed a grievance through the Player's Union, suggesting that the Marlins didn't check if he were injured before demoting him. It may be against the rules for the Tigers to option a player to AAA simply because he's injured. I'm not sure where to look for this rule. Not positive, but maybe that's something they'll have to consider. I remember something from last season that might apply here. Anibal Sanchez of the Marlins was ineffective, demoted to AAA, then proven to be injured and placed on the DL down there. I think that he filed a grievance through the Player’s Union, suggesting that the Marlins didn’t check if he were injured before demoting him.

It may be against the rules for the Tigers to option a player to
AAA simply because he’s injured. I’m not sure where to look for this rule. Not positive, but maybe that’s something they’ll have to consider.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77510 Jeff Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:02:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/should-detroit-option-zumaya-to-toledo/#comment-77510 You may save some money in arbitration, but you'd also probably guarantee that he leaves Detroit sooner rather than later. I agree with Sam, it's a move the Pirates would make. And I agree with your other point, it sends one hell of a signal to Cabrera. The secondary effects of such a move are not beneficial to the franchise. I'm glad you raised the issue and discussed it, that's the point of having a blog, but I don't see a net positive out of such a move. You may save some money in arbitration, but you’d also probably guarantee that he leaves Detroit sooner rather than later. I agree with Sam, it’s a move the Pirates would make. And I agree with your other point, it sends one hell of a signal to Cabrera.

The secondary effects of such a move are not beneficial to the franchise. I’m glad you raised the issue and discussed it, that’s the point of having a blog, but I don’t see a net positive out of such a move.

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