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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O&#039;Leary&#039;s whole judgment process basically has two steps:

1.  Does the pitcher have his elbows above his shoulders at any point in the process?

2.  Does he generally look like Greg Maddux?

I&#039;ve learned a lot about mechanics from O&#039;Leary and generally respect the guy, but these two steps certainly aren&#039;t the whole story on pitching mechanics, I don&#039;t think.

I think he makes an important point about the elbow on the pitching arm side.  It shouldn&#039;t rise above the shoulder.  Just try holding your elbow above your shoulder for a while and you&#039;ll see this is right.

But Bonderman doesn&#039;t do it that badly.  His problems are much more likely due to the fact that he throws 37% sliders for 180+ innings a year.  Watch him or any other pitcher throw a fastball or changeup, and you&#039;ll see that just after the release point, the thumb is pointed down.  This, combined with arm slot, is most of the reason why fastballs tail in on same-handed hitters.  But when you throw a slider, you can&#039;t have your thumb pointing down as much as you can with a fastball.  It puts stress on the elbow - try it both ways.  There is a reason why sliders get a reputation as a pitch that is harder on the arm than a fastball, change, or even curve.

If Bonderman doesn&#039;t change anything about his mechanics, but throws maybe 27% sliders and 18% changeups next year instead of 37% and 8%, I would bet some money that he holds up better.

If he hates Bonderman&#039;s mechanics so much, I&#039;d love to see what he has to say about a guy like Peavy. 

PS - The SI list is not very good.  Joba Chamberlain is a better young pitcher than Jered Weaver?  Joba has pitched 22 innings.  Jered has pitched 10 times that, and had very good success as a starter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s whole judgment process basically has two steps:</p>
<p>1.  Does the pitcher have his elbows above his shoulders at any point in the process?</p>
<p>2.  Does he generally look like Greg Maddux?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned a lot about mechanics from O&#8217;Leary and generally respect the guy, but these two steps certainly aren&#8217;t the whole story on pitching mechanics, I don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>I think he makes an important point about the elbow on the pitching arm side.  It shouldn&#8217;t rise above the shoulder.  Just try holding your elbow above your shoulder for a while and you&#8217;ll see this is right.</p>
<p>But Bonderman doesn&#8217;t do it that badly.  His problems are much more likely due to the fact that he throws 37% sliders for 180+ innings a year.  Watch him or any other pitcher throw a fastball or changeup, and you&#8217;ll see that just after the release point, the thumb is pointed down.  This, combined with arm slot, is most of the reason why fastballs tail in on same-handed hitters.  But when you throw a slider, you can&#8217;t have your thumb pointing down as much as you can with a fastball.  It puts stress on the elbow &#8211; try it both ways.  There is a reason why sliders get a reputation as a pitch that is harder on the arm than a fastball, change, or even curve.</p>
<p>If Bonderman doesn&#8217;t change anything about his mechanics, but throws maybe 27% sliders and 18% changeups next year instead of 37% and 8%, I would bet some money that he holds up better.</p>
<p>If he hates Bonderman&#8217;s mechanics so much, I&#8217;d love to see what he has to say about a guy like Peavy. </p>
<p>PS &#8211; The SI list is not very good.  Joba Chamberlain is a better young pitcher than Jered Weaver?  Joba has pitched 22 innings.  Jered has pitched 10 times that, and had very good success as a starter.</p>
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