Comments on: Bullpen woes spawn trade talk http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:38:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Tigers linked to crappy relievers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77245 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Tigers linked to crappy relievers Fri, 07 Mar 2008 20:30:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77245 [...] in the week there was talk of Ryan Dempster as a potential target from the Cubs. But again, it’s for a below average player that would [...] [...] in the week there was talk of Ryan Dempster as a potential target from the Cubs. But again, it’s for a below average player that would [...]

]]> By: Drew http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77226 Drew Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:04:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77226 D-Backs, rather. D-Backs, rather.

]]> By: Drew http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77196 Drew Thu, 06 Mar 2008 01:16:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77196 Ken, the only possibility I can find is Miguel Montero of the D-Rays. Thus concludes my dream-research for the day. Ken, the only possibility I can find is Miguel Montero of the D-Rays. Thus concludes my dream-research for the day.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77195 Chris in Dallas Wed, 05 Mar 2008 22:06:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77195 Well keeping in mind that rumors are just that - rumors - I'd lean more towards Dempster than Sosa. Mostly I look at his K rate to make that decision (he kills Sosa on that front). Plus when he falls apart, he's got the whole built in 'Dumpster' nickname and all. I don't really think either guy is worth getting excited over. I'd rather hang on to Thames and/or Inge and use an internal option if the need arises for relief help. Odds are you'll get similar production from a guy like Tata or Vasquez or someone like that if you need to. Well keeping in mind that rumors are just that - rumors - I’d lean more towards Dempster than Sosa. Mostly I look at his K rate to make that decision (he kills Sosa on that front). Plus when he falls apart, he’s got the whole built in ‘Dumpster’ nickname and all. I don’t really think either guy is worth getting excited over. I’d rather hang on to Thames and/or Inge and use an internal option if the need arises for relief help. Odds are you’ll get similar production from a guy like Tata or Vasquez or someone like that if you need to.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77182 Mark in Chicago Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:10:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77182 Just noticed on mlbtraderumors that.... MetsBlog passes along a Jon Heyman WFAN appearance tidbit. The SI.com writer said the Mets and Tigers are discussing a Marcus Thames for Jorge Sosa swap. Thames definitely fits the Mets' needs, though Sosa seems a little light for him. Double ugh. Sosa is only marginally better than Dempster. And since Marcus figures to get 300 ABs this year, I would venture that getting only Sosa back is indeed very light. Just noticed on mlbtraderumors that….

MetsBlog passes along a Jon Heyman WFAN appearance tidbit. The SI.com writer said the Mets and Tigers are discussing a Marcus Thames for Jorge Sosa swap. Thames definitely fits the Mets’ needs, though Sosa seems a little light for him.

Double ugh. Sosa is only marginally better than Dempster. And since Marcus figures to get 300 ABs this year, I would venture that getting only Sosa back is indeed very light.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77181 Mark in Chicago Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:02:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77181 Dempster is awful. It's baffling that the Cubs are considering putting him in the rotation when he's had one good season (out of 6) as a starter. He's also had exactly one good season (out of 3) as a reliever. Career WHIP of 1.55. This is a guy we want to pay $5.5 million to instead of Inge? He's just not any better than the guys we already have, now imagine him pitching in the AL Central. It's going to be tough to trade for bullpen help until we get closer to the end of spring and teams figure who they need to fill holes from injuries and who can't get through waivers. Zach Miner is a guy they could call upon if they need, and if they get healthy later, he has options to be sent down. I won't even discuss the lack of fit Inge is for the Cubs. Dempster is awful. It’s baffling that the Cubs are considering putting him in the rotation when he’s had one good season (out of 6) as a starter. He’s also had exactly one good season (out of 3) as a reliever. Career WHIP of 1.55. This is a guy we want to pay $5.5 million to instead of Inge? He’s just not any better than the guys we already have, now imagine him pitching in the AL Central.

It’s going to be tough to trade for bullpen help until we get closer to the end of spring and teams figure who they need to fill holes from injuries and who can’t get through waivers. Zach Miner is a guy they could call upon if they need, and if they get healthy later, he has options to be sent down.

I won’t even discuss the lack of fit Inge is for the Cubs.

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77172 Chris in Dallas Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:11:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77172 Honestly the bullpen woes are kind of overstated. Cumulatively they were just slightly below league average in '07, which looks bad. That's until you remember that Joe Table and Capellan were prominently involved in those numbers. I'm no mathematician, but I think 26 ER in 25.2 IP is going to inflate the group's ERA. Note that neither of those guys are on the club anymore. Add in some innings thrown by guys named Aquilino Lopez and that further skews the numbers. The core group is, at very least, serviceable. I'm more concerned with the defense on the left side of the infield. That's going to be a horror show. Honestly the bullpen woes are kind of overstated. Cumulatively they were just slightly below league average in ‘07, which looks bad. That’s until you remember that Joe Table and Capellan were prominently involved in those numbers. I’m no mathematician, but I think 26 ER in 25.2 IP is going to inflate the group’s ERA. Note that neither of those guys are on the club anymore. Add in some innings thrown by guys named Aquilino Lopez and that further skews the numbers. The core group is, at very least, serviceable. I’m more concerned with the defense on the left side of the infield. That’s going to be a horror show.

]]> By: charlie http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77169 charlie Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:54:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77169 i used to look at the yankee lineup and think the same thing i'm thinking about the tigers today...how can you spend that much money and have so many potential holes in the lineup. i used to look at the yankee lineup and think the same thing i’m thinking about the tigers today…how can you spend that much money and have so many potential holes in the lineup.

]]> By: Ken from Cincinnati http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77168 Ken from Cincinnati Wed, 05 Mar 2008 14:42:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77168 I had a really vivid dream last night that Jacque Jones was traded for a catcher with the initials MM. I can't quite grasp the name. Help me out here. I'm pretty sure he exists. I had a really vivid dream last night that Jacque Jones was traded for a catcher with the initials MM. I can’t quite grasp the name. Help me out here. I’m pretty sure he exists.

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77167 Dave BW Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:45:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/03/bullpen-woes-spawn-trade-talk/#comment-77167 If only we'd had some clear sign that the bullpen was going to be a problem this year If only we’d had some clear sign that the bullpen was going to be a problem this year

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