Comments on: The 2008 PECOTA’s are here http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76299 Chris in Dallas Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:46:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76299 Dave BW haha on the cancer curing changeup. I think Bonderman will surprise some people if he can stay healthy. He really needs to refine the 3rd pitch though (where have I heard that before?). Methinks his elbow problems in the second half were due to throwing 3419 sliders in the first half. If he's got a reliable third pitch, maybe he doesn't have to do that... Dave BW haha on the cancer curing changeup. I think Bonderman will surprise some people if he can stay healthy. He really needs to refine the 3rd pitch though (where have I heard that before?). Methinks his elbow problems in the second half were due to throwing 3419 sliders in the first half. If he’s got a reliable third pitch, maybe he doesn’t have to do that…

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76265 Dave BW Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:48:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76265 David - Come opening day, Bonderman will shock and awe us all with the unprecedented greatness of his changeup. It will make women swoon, men weep, and possibly cure cancer. Just you wait! David -

Come opening day, Bonderman will shock and awe us all with the unprecedented greatness of his changeup. It will make women swoon, men weep, and possibly cure cancer. Just you wait!

]]> By: David G. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76264 David G. Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:21:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76264 That was kind of my point, to be honest, I was perhaps using a bit of exxageration. Obviously a pitch you throw 2-5 times a game is not exactly an effective pitch, you really can't even set much up with it. That was kind of my point, to be honest, I was perhaps using a bit of exxageration. Obviously a pitch you throw 2-5 times a game is not exactly an effective pitch, you really can’t even set much up with it.

]]> By: Eric Cioe http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76263 Eric Cioe Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:31:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76263 David G., If you go to the pitch f/x graphs for Bonderman, it shows that from a sample of about 800 pitches, he threw 5% changes. So he has it, but he probably throws 2-5 a game. David G.,

If you go to the pitch f/x graphs for Bonderman, it shows that from a sample of about 800 pitches, he threw 5% changes. So he has it, but he probably throws 2-5 a game.

]]> By: David G. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76259 David G. Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:25:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76259 Ah, yes. Spring Training is almost here, get ready for the numerous pieces on how Bondy is working hard on a changeup and how it's really coming along well, maybe even how the old veteran Kenny R. is helping him with it. And then get ready to completely disregard that on 3/31 & beyond as won't have a 3rd pitch whatsoever. Ah, yes. Spring Training is almost here, get ready for the numerous pieces on how Bondy is working hard on a changeup and how it’s really coming along well, maybe even how the old veteran Kenny R. is helping him with it. And then get ready to completely disregard that on 3/31 & beyond as won’t have a 3rd pitch whatsoever.

]]> By: Lee Panas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76254 Lee Panas Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:33:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76254 Sky, I'm still pretty high on Bonderman as long as his elbow is healthy. He got off to a strong start last year and then completely fell apart when he tried to pitch through the elbow problem. The PECOTA estimate looks about right to me. He seems to get flustered on occasion when he doesn't have his his best stuff but I think the mental aspect gets overplayed. The bigger problem is his lack of a good third pitch beyond his fast ball slider. Sky, I’m still pretty high on Bonderman as long as his elbow is healthy. He got off to a strong start last year and then completely fell apart when he tried to pitch through the elbow problem. The PECOTA estimate looks about right to me.

He seems to get flustered on occasion when he doesn’t have his his best stuff but I think the mental aspect gets overplayed.
The bigger problem is his lack of a good third pitch beyond his fast ball slider.

]]> By: fordfieldrow2 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76249 fordfieldrow2 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:02:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76249 i'm worried about pitching staff. i’m worried about pitching staff.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76247 billfer Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:08:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76247 It was never a ban. It was a one week suspension which I explained in the numerous emails I sent to you. It was never a ban. It was a one week suspension which I explained in the numerous emails I sent to you.

]]> By: Dead Rabbit http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76246 Dead Rabbit Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:04:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76246 seeing if the ban has been lifted seeing if the ban has been lifted

]]> By: Eric Cioe http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76245 Eric Cioe Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:15:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76245 Dave - you're not. Dave – you’re not.

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76243 Dave BW Sun, 03 Feb 2008 20:15:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76243 Stupid BP. How am I supposed to judge a player if they don't even tell me his OE%? Stupid BP. How am I supposed to judge a player if they don’t even tell me his OE%?

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76231 billfer Sun, 03 Feb 2008 03:45:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76231 Sky - It depends who you ask. I'm pro Bonderman, but he does have to put a full season together soon. Fans have tagged him as mentally weak which I don't really buy into. As for his struggles last year, he was pitching with a sore elbow for quite awhile. Sky – It depends who you ask. I’m pro Bonderman, but he does have to put a full season together soon. Fans have tagged him as mentally weak which I don’t really buy into.

As for his struggles last year, he was pitching with a sore elbow for quite awhile.

]]> By: Dave BW http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76230 Dave BW Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:00:03 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76230 The general consensus is that his late-season troubles were due to pitching through an injury (Bonderman's said as much). The 1st inning problem can only be a bizarre psychological handicap. The general consensus is that his late-season troubles were due to pitching through an injury (Bonderman’s said as much). The 1st inning problem can only be a bizarre psychological handicap.

]]> By: Sky http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76228 Sky Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:39:10 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/02/the-2008-pecotas-are-here/#comment-76228 Jacque Jones will never face a left-hander pitcher, greatly increasing his expected OPS. Plus, he's a defensive addition. How do Tiger fans view Bonderman? What's with his first inning struggles and late-season collapse last year. An injury? There's just no way you can't like his skills and peripherals. Is he another Glendon Rusch type? Jacque Jones will never face a left-hander pitcher, greatly increasing his expected OPS. Plus, he’s a defensive addition.

How do Tiger fans view Bonderman? What’s with his first inning struggles and late-season collapse last year. An injury? There’s just no way you can’t like his skills and peripherals. Is he another Glendon Rusch type?

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