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		<title>By: The Spotstarters &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Baseball and other fun links&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/third-baseman-for-sale/#comment-76672</link>
		<dc:creator>The Spotstarters &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Baseball and other fun links&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has got out of control.  This is more drama than a 10th grade Valentine&#8217;s Day dance.  Here is a mention on a Tiger blog back at the beginning of January and here is more as recently as this weekend.  Not even the Jason Kidd trade from the Nets to the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has got out of control.  This is more drama than a 10th grade Valentine&#8217;s Day dance.  Here is a mention on a Tiger blog back at the beginning of January and here is more as recently as this weekend.  Not even the Jason Kidd trade from the Nets to the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BobS.</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobS.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good observation about the failure of most professional players to reap the rewards of their sport,Tim D.Personally,I&#039;d be happy to see more of baseball&#039;s $billions diffused downward,possibly in the form of pensions and health care for the majority of the players who fail to make the bigs.Similarly,I could do without the welfare to the rich that&#039;s masked as public stadium financing and the anti-trust exemption.
I&#039;m not advocating Inge give anything up.My own advice to him would be to take the money and sit(assuming the Tigers are unable to pull off a trade).But,so far as I know,his contract does not guarantee him to start at third base.Assuming THAT&#039;S his highest priority,he could probably reach an agreement with the Tigers to abrogate the contract and negotiate a deal with a team in need of a third baseman.If he&#039;s the player he seems to think he is,he should welcome the opportunity to sell his superior skills on the free market and improve his present situation(it&#039;s capitalism).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good observation about the failure of most professional players to reap the rewards of their sport,Tim D.Personally,I&#8217;d be happy to see more of baseball&#8217;s $billions diffused downward,possibly in the form of pensions and health care for the majority of the players who fail to make the bigs.Similarly,I could do without the welfare to the rich that&#8217;s masked as public stadium financing and the anti-trust exemption.<br />
I&#8217;m not advocating Inge give anything up.My own advice to him would be to take the money and sit(assuming the Tigers are unable to pull off a trade).But,so far as I know,his contract does not guarantee him to start at third base.Assuming THAT&#8217;S his highest priority,he could probably reach an agreement with the Tigers to abrogate the contract and negotiate a deal with a team in need of a third baseman.If he&#8217;s the player he seems to think he is,he should welcome the opportunity to sell his superior skills on the free market and improve his present situation(it&#8217;s capitalism).</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin in Austin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello friends - sorry to go off subject here, but my Scoresheet league has a few available teams.  If anyone is interested, email me at kmvela@yahoo.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello friends &#8211; sorry to go off subject here, but my Scoresheet league has a few available teams.  If anyone is interested, email me at <a href="mailto:kmvela@yahoo.com">kmvela@yahoo.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/third-baseman-for-sale/#comment-75530</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see an interesting argument generated. 

Most professional ballplayers make squat. They don&#039;t get big bonuses, they toil in the minors for nothing, and they might get a brief shot at the bigs. 2 of 3 professional careers end due to injury. It&#039;s like trying to make money as an actor in Hollywood. Make sure you can wait tables. 

Inge agreed to a contract. He should GIVE THAT UP? To prove that he really wants to play? How far has he come? Why should he give anything up? Would anyone in his position do that?

Notwithstanding the high prices, the multi-millionaire players, the publicly funded stadiums, the strikes and/or lockouts and the steroids, baseball attendance is at an all-time high. There are WAY more season tickets sold as a percentage of tickets than ever in the past. More fans, not less, go to multiple games per year. Fans pay double, triple and more the face value of tickets on Stub Hub and so forth: money that the sport generates that neither the players or owners share in. 

If you don&#039;t like it and don&#039;t want to support it that&#039;s fine, and exactly what I suggest. Just don&#039;t give me a knee-jerk &quot;the players make too much.&quot; It&#039;s capitalism. A lot of people think autoworkers are overpaid. If Ford had more demand than Toyota they could give the UAW a better deal. I doubt the UAW would give it back. 

We are a sports-crazed culture.  If you don&#039;t like it, write a book, or vote for people who will change it or speak out on behalf of the downtrodden, etc. Don&#039;t bang on Brandon Inge for knowing a good deal when he sees it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see an interesting argument generated. </p>
<p>Most professional ballplayers make squat. They don&#8217;t get big bonuses, they toil in the minors for nothing, and they might get a brief shot at the bigs. 2 of 3 professional careers end due to injury. It&#8217;s like trying to make money as an actor in Hollywood. Make sure you can wait tables. </p>
<p>Inge agreed to a contract. He should GIVE THAT UP? To prove that he really wants to play? How far has he come? Why should he give anything up? Would anyone in his position do that?</p>
<p>Notwithstanding the high prices, the multi-millionaire players, the publicly funded stadiums, the strikes and/or lockouts and the steroids, baseball attendance is at an all-time high. There are WAY more season tickets sold as a percentage of tickets than ever in the past. More fans, not less, go to multiple games per year. Fans pay double, triple and more the face value of tickets on Stub Hub and so forth: money that the sport generates that neither the players or owners share in. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t like it and don&#8217;t want to support it that&#8217;s fine, and exactly what I suggest. Just don&#8217;t give me a knee-jerk &#8220;the players make too much.&#8221; It&#8217;s capitalism. A lot of people think autoworkers are overpaid. If Ford had more demand than Toyota they could give the UAW a better deal. I doubt the UAW would give it back. </p>
<p>We are a sports-crazed culture.  If you don&#8217;t like it, write a book, or vote for people who will change it or speak out on behalf of the downtrodden, etc. Don&#8217;t bang on Brandon Inge for knowing a good deal when he sees it.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do the Detroit area’s residents have some sort of inferiority complex?&quot;

You&#039;re just learning this now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do the Detroit area’s residents have some sort of inferiority complex?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re just learning this now?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Birdy makes a valid point about the moans and groans that probably will come from missing Inge&#039;s glove.  Miggy is still young enough to learn and hopefully improve his defensive skills and keep the weight off.  Personally, I think Brandon is a cancer in the clubhouse with his exhaulted opinion of himself.  He&#039;s the last reminder of that godawful team of &#039;03.  He was the best of the worst and is the last reminder of a franchise that almost turned out the lights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Birdy makes a valid point about the moans and groans that probably will come from missing Inge&#8217;s glove.  Miggy is still young enough to learn and hopefully improve his defensive skills and keep the weight off.  Personally, I think Brandon is a cancer in the clubhouse with his exhaulted opinion of himself.  He&#8217;s the last reminder of that godawful team of &#8216;03.  He was the best of the worst and is the last reminder of a franchise that almost turned out the lights.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have a thing to say about the money these players make because if I was ever good enough to stick in the bigs long enough to his free agency, I am running for the biggest pile of cash I can find -- and I&#039;d argue that 99 out of 100 people would do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have a thing to say about the money these players make because if I was ever good enough to stick in the bigs long enough to his free agency, I am running for the biggest pile of cash I can find &#8212; and I&#8217;d argue that 99 out of 100 people would do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Birdy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don’t blame the players for it, but I realize that there’s some reason for cynicism when it comes to baseball and money.  But is this situation really that hard to figure out?  Inge is in the league because he is an outstanding fielder.  Now you say to him at 30 years of age, you have two choices:

you can play everyday and continue to hone your skills in the game you love to play, in the only career you’ve ever known, which will likely extend your career in this sport

or you can sit on the bench, play a few different positions and essentially watch the beginning of the end of the career from the bench, in the sport you love – but you’ll have a better chance of winning a championship.  

I personally think that money and championships mean less to Inge than just getting to play the game he loves.

And I’m just sick of fans acting like a dumped girlfriend when they suspect someone wants out – for whatever reason.  Do the Detroit area’s residents have some sort of inferiority complex?  Are these posters re-experiencing the rejection that comes from being from a broken family?  I’d like to see some sabermetrics on that.

Tim D, I’m with you for the most part.  Someone will need a 3B at some point.  Hopefully, we’ll be able to get a contributor for Inge then.  I’m not sure if Cabrera in the outfield is the answer.  Thankfully, I have Jim Leyland to make that decision for me.  I do know there’s going to be a collective groan from Tigers fans the first time a pop fly in foul territory behind 3rd base eludes Cabrera instead of winding up in Inge’s glove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don’t blame the players for it, but I realize that there’s some reason for cynicism when it comes to baseball and money.  But is this situation really that hard to figure out?  Inge is in the league because he is an outstanding fielder.  Now you say to him at 30 years of age, you have two choices:</p>
<p>you can play everyday and continue to hone your skills in the game you love to play, in the only career you’ve ever known, which will likely extend your career in this sport</p>
<p>or you can sit on the bench, play a few different positions and essentially watch the beginning of the end of the career from the bench, in the sport you love – but you’ll have a better chance of winning a championship.  </p>
<p>I personally think that money and championships mean less to Inge than just getting to play the game he loves.</p>
<p>And I’m just sick of fans acting like a dumped girlfriend when they suspect someone wants out – for whatever reason.  Do the Detroit area’s residents have some sort of inferiority complex?  Are these posters re-experiencing the rejection that comes from being from a broken family?  I’d like to see some sabermetrics on that.</p>
<p>Tim D, I’m with you for the most part.  Someone will need a 3B at some point.  Hopefully, we’ll be able to get a contributor for Inge then.  I’m not sure if Cabrera in the outfield is the answer.  Thankfully, I have Jim Leyland to make that decision for me.  I do know there’s going to be a collective groan from Tigers fans the first time a pop fly in foul territory behind 3rd base eludes Cabrera instead of winding up in Inge’s glove.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilfer, didn&#039;t realize the players had to wait so long to loosen the bonds and achieve financial security. Presumtuous and inconsistent, indeed. Glad you picked up on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilfer, didn&#8217;t realize the players had to wait so long to loosen the bonds and achieve financial security. Presumtuous and inconsistent, indeed. Glad you picked up on that.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 10:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg - you&#039;re right about the anti-trust exemption, but it is the landscape and it isn&#039;t going to change any time soon.

Ron - how should we minimize the player&#039;s leverage?  Already they have to acquire 6 years of Major League service time - which often times means 8-10 years of professional baseball time - before they can even talk to other teams.  Players don&#039;t even get any relief until they have 3 years of major league experience before teams are forced to pay them anymore than the league minimum.  Should we make it that when they reach free agency, they can pick 3 names out of a hat and those are the only teams that they are allowed to negotiate with?  

And your arguments aren&#039;t even consistent.  On one hand you are saying that Inge should be focusing more on hitting off a tee and honing his skills to help his performance and by extension his career (which is quite presumptuous to assume that he sits around like a sloth during the offseason anyways - maybe he doesn&#039;t train but you and I don&#039;t really know what he does).  And then you fault him for thinking about his career and his  next contract.  And really, what does struggling financially have to do with hitting off a tee.  Trammell was a millionaire when it wasn&#039;t such a common thing and it didn&#039;t inhibit him from training in the offseason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211; you&#8217;re right about the anti-trust exemption, but it is the landscape and it isn&#8217;t going to change any time soon.</p>
<p>Ron &#8211; how should we minimize the player&#8217;s leverage?  Already they have to acquire 6 years of Major League service time &#8211; which often times means 8-10 years of professional baseball time &#8211; before they can even talk to other teams.  Players don&#8217;t even get any relief until they have 3 years of major league experience before teams are forced to pay them anymore than the league minimum.  Should we make it that when they reach free agency, they can pick 3 names out of a hat and those are the only teams that they are allowed to negotiate with?  </p>
<p>And your arguments aren&#8217;t even consistent.  On one hand you are saying that Inge should be focusing more on hitting off a tee and honing his skills to help his performance and by extension his career (which is quite presumptuous to assume that he sits around like a sloth during the offseason anyways &#8211; maybe he doesn&#8217;t train but you and I don&#8217;t really know what he does).  And then you fault him for thinking about his career and his  next contract.  And really, what does struggling financially have to do with hitting off a tee.  Trammell was a millionaire when it wasn&#8217;t such a common thing and it didn&#8217;t inhibit him from training in the offseason.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chiming in as the third attendee of the pennant-clincher</description>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg

It was really something.  I was there too.  Only the 3rd Tiger game I&#039;ve ever attended.</description>
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<p>It was really something.  I was there too.  Only the 3rd Tiger game I&#8217;ve ever attended.</p>
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		<title>By: jim-mt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard Price say on the radio this summer that Inge is his own batting coach-that Inge knows his swing better than anybody else, so Inge doesn&#039;t think he needs a batting coach.  After all the check swing strikeouts last year, I would say he needs professional help.   He also has a tendency to make errors on routine plays in critical times.  He was one of my favorites, but .....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Price say on the radio this summer that Inge is his own batting coach-that Inge knows his swing better than anybody else, so Inge doesn&#8217;t think he needs a batting coach.  After all the check swing strikeouts last year, I would say he needs professional help.   He also has a tendency to make errors on routine plays in critical times.  He was one of my favorites, but &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When people who used to go to 15 games a year can only afford to attend a couple games now, that is bothersome.</description>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, Clemens does not know the difference between Lidocaine and linocaine. If he stammered anymore on that lie detector question....Oh, what a web we weave... It wasn&#039;t the money, it was for the team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, Clemens does not know the difference between Lidocaine and linocaine. If he stammered anymore on that lie detector question&#8230;.Oh, what a web we weave&#8230; It wasn&#8217;t the money, it was for the team.</p>
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