Comments on: The best defense http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76175 Chris in Dallas Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:09:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76175 Sky: Good work - enjoyed checking it out. Sky: Good work – enjoyed checking it out.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76165 billfer Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:18:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76165 David - There really isn't the a means to analyze the old timers, beyond what is already done at this time. Sky - Thanks for the info. I'll probably readdress this and add in SGs work as well. David -

There really isn’t the a means to analyze the old timers, beyond what is already done at this time.

Sky –

Thanks for the info. I’ll probably readdress this and add in SGs work as well.

]]> By: Sky http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76161 Sky Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:19:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76161 Between Sean's TotalZone and SG's work on compiling STATS zone rating numbers since 1987 (that's why Sean stopped TZ at 1986), you've got full data for the past 50 years. No, neither system is as good as UZR, but they're better than nothing (or next to nothing, like I consider gold gloves and fielding percentage.) Links to the fielding data I use (50 years of range, catcher career numbers, four years of outfielder arms, six years of UZR) are at this page: http://skyking162.com/2008/01/fielding-stats-for-everybody/ Between Sean’s TotalZone and SG’s work on compiling STATS zone rating numbers since 1987 (that’s why Sean stopped TZ at 1986), you’ve got full data for the past 50 years. No, neither system is as good as UZR, but they’re better than nothing (or next to nothing, like I consider gold gloves and fielding percentage.) Links to the fielding data I use (50 years of range, catcher career numbers, four years of outfielder arms, six years of UZR) are at this page:

http://skyking162.com/2008/01/.....everybody/

]]> By: Kathy http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76160 Kathy Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:23:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76160 Al Kaline was my hero, David. I absolutely loved him as a young lady. Yes, he was all the things you read and hear about him. Al Kaline was my hero, David. I absolutely loved him as a young lady. Yes, he was all the things you read and hear about him.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76157 David Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:45:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76157 I wonder if you could do anything on Ty Cobb Sam Crawford or Gehringer finding out arm strength/accuracy, fielding skills and range comparing them to their contemporaries... Also another thought in my mind that I would do except I have no idea how to collect the data would be to look at Inge's 2006 season. Comparing his 2006 range to other top notch seasons because I don't know how many I've seen that were even close (granted I'm not very old, but do watch quite a bit of baseball) In any event I wish I would have seen Kaline play. Was he that fast? All I've heard about his his rocket for an arm in RF. I wonder if you could do anything on Ty Cobb Sam Crawford or Gehringer finding out arm strength/accuracy, fielding skills and range comparing them to their contemporaries…

Also another thought in my mind that I would do except I have no idea how to collect the data would be to look at Inge’s 2006 season.

Comparing his 2006 range to other top notch seasons because I don’t know how many I’ve seen that were even close (granted I’m not very old, but do watch quite a bit of baseball)

In any event I wish I would have seen Kaline play. Was he that fast? All I’ve heard about his his rocket for an arm in RF.

]]> By: Slashpyne http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76155 Slashpyne Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:16:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76155 As they say on another site: Damn Interesting! I'd like to see a Ryne Sandberg (sp) vs. Lou Whitaker As they say on another site: Damn Interesting!
I’d like to see a Ryne Sandberg (sp) vs. Lou Whitaker

]]> By: Rob V. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76151 Rob V. Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:20:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76151 Good stuff, Bill. I'd love to see a top 10 list at each position (or even deeper, if possible). Good stuff, Bill. I’d love to see a top 10 list at each position (or even deeper, if possible).

]]> By: Chris in Dallas http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76149 Chris in Dallas Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:34:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76149 Skyking 162 did a similar study, ranking the best fielders at each position in all of baseball historically. They actually had Whitaker at +113 runs, which was the best for a 2B. Kaline had the best single season at RF with +22. You can check out the link here: http://skyking162.com/2008/01/fun-with-historical-fielding-numbers/ They also had a nice little Tram/Lou feature, posted here: http://skyking162.com/2008/01/bosom-buddies-trammel-and-whitaker/ I don't know if bilfer has linked to these before, but it's pretty interesting reading. Skyking 162 did a similar study, ranking the best fielders at each position in all of baseball historically. They actually had Whitaker at +113 runs, which was the best for a 2B. Kaline had the best single season at RF with +22. You can check out the link here:

http://skyking162.com/2008/01/.....g-numbers/

They also had a nice little Tram/Lou feature, posted here:

http://skyking162.com/2008/01/.....-whitaker/

I don’t know if bilfer has linked to these before, but it’s pretty interesting reading.

]]> By: SJC in Detroit http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76148 SJC in Detroit Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:59:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76148 So the numbers confirm what we saw with our eyes with Kaline -- that's comforting. What about Mickey Stanley? I always thought that he, like Kaline, positioned himself well, ran good routes and didn't make mistakes. Did he not cover as much ground as Chester? So the numbers confirm what we saw with our eyes with Kaline — that’s comforting. What about Mickey Stanley? I always thought that he, like Kaline, positioned himself well, ran good routes and didn’t make mistakes. Did he not cover as much ground as Chester?

]]> By: Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76146 Jim Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:42:33 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76146 what about catchers? what about catchers?

]]> By: Mike http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76145 Mike Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:08:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/the-best-defense/#comment-76145 I'd be curious to see where Fryman fits in at third. I know you only did '86 and back so he didn't come up but he was a good defensive third basemen. Although part of his strong suit was a strong arm which you said this doesn't measure but he was very accurate too. I’d be curious to see where Fryman fits in at third. I know you only did ’86 and back so he didn’t come up but he was a good defensive third basemen. Although part of his strong suit was a strong arm which you said this doesn’t measure but he was very accurate too.

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