Comments on: Robertson extended for 3 years http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:34:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75812 David Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:07:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75812 If any of our players stay healthy it would have been a plus Ie last year Bonderman Nate Shef Rogers to name a few If someone gets hurt in ST or during the season next year you can all but expect their stats to take a dive and/or go in the craper if they continue to play through them I think if Nate can even get league average run support and stay healthy he could win 17ish games out of 32 starts As far as Bonderman goes right now I'd love to trade him for Kazmir straight up. I hope I am not saying that a year from now. If any of our players stay healthy it would have been a plus

Ie last year

Bonderman
Nate
Shef
Rogers

to name a few

If someone gets hurt in ST or during the season next year you can all but expect their stats to take a dive and/or go in the craper if they continue to play through them

I think if Nate can even get league average run support and stay healthy he could win 17ish games out of 32 starts

As far as Bonderman goes right now I’d love to trade him for Kazmir straight up. I hope I am not saying that a year from now.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75805 Mike R Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:09:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75805 <blockquote>lol everyone predicts a breakout year for bonderman every year</blockquote> And everyone is rightful to. The breakout year was happening last year. His first 18 starts last year through July 19th: 10-1, 3.53 ERA, 119.2 IP, 117 H, 25 BB, 109 K, 1.19 WHIP, .681 OPS against. From July 24th through Sept. 9th, he only made 10 starts: 1-8, 8.23 ERA, 54.2 IP, 76 H, 23 BB, 36 K, 1.81 WHIP, .977 OPS against. July 29th, he had the big meltdown on Sunday night baseball on ESPN in Anaheim where he went 2.1 IP and gave up 9 hits and 11 runs. That is when I (and Billfer has said) think his elbow inflammation started. That would explain the fact that his first 18 starts yielded a 4.36 K/BB ratio and a 1.57 ratio in his final 10 starts. His control was effected, but his velocity wasn't. I think he was over throwing to keep his velocity which caused him to be wild. Conversely, someone like Nate who had a bum shoulder and saw his velocity dropping but his control wasn't slipping beyond his norms because he wasn't over throwing. His shoulder simply wouldn't allow him to throw his normal low 90's velocity and that is when he got burned because he can't live on 86-88 with his fastball since his slider and change aren't overly dynamic. Bonderman will blow any doubters away, provided he stays healthy, which is a mild concern.

lol everyone predicts a breakout year for bonderman every year

And everyone is rightful to. The breakout year was happening last year.

His first 18 starts last year through July 19th: 10-1, 3.53 ERA, 119.2 IP, 117 H, 25 BB, 109 K, 1.19 WHIP, .681 OPS against.

From July 24th through Sept. 9th, he only made 10 starts: 1-8, 8.23 ERA, 54.2 IP, 76 H, 23 BB, 36 K, 1.81 WHIP, .977 OPS against.

July 29th, he had the big meltdown on Sunday night baseball on ESPN in Anaheim where he went 2.1 IP and gave up 9 hits and 11 runs. That is when I (and Billfer has said) think his elbow inflammation started. That would explain the fact that his first 18 starts yielded a 4.36 K/BB ratio and a 1.57 ratio in his final 10 starts. His control was effected, but his velocity wasn’t. I think he was over throwing to keep his velocity which caused him to be wild.

Conversely, someone like Nate who had a bum shoulder and saw his velocity dropping but his control wasn’t slipping beyond his norms because he wasn’t over throwing. His shoulder simply wouldn’t allow him to throw his normal low 90’s velocity and that is when he got burned because he can’t live on 86-88 with his fastball since his slider and change aren’t overly dynamic.

Bonderman will blow any doubters away, provided he stays healthy, which is a mild concern.

]]> By: Dan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75777 Dan Fri, 18 Jan 2008 14:02:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75777 Nate is a great guy who gets some of the lowest run support of pitchers in the AL. In 2006, he was in the bottom five for starters. I think he has developed an attitude of I need to be very good to get a win because I can only count on 2-3 runs from my teammates. That is no way to pitch as you tend to nibble and then walk people. Then you HAVE to come in with a strike and virtually ANY Major League can hit a ball if they know it is going to be a strike. I hope this allows Nate to relax a little, and with the lineup behind him this year, even with 5 guys having an "off" night, they'll be good for 5-6 runs for him. Of Dontrelle, Bondo, Kenny, and Nate---Nate is the one Pitcher this year that will surprise people and win 16-17 games.... He's also the kind of person that will work harder now that he has the "big contract"....stay within yourself, Nate, and "go get'em Tiger!".... Nate is a great guy who gets some of the lowest run support of pitchers in the AL. In 2006, he was in the bottom five for starters. I think he has developed an attitude of I need to be very good to get a win because I can only count on 2-3 runs from my teammates.

That is no way to pitch as you tend to nibble and then walk people. Then you HAVE to come in with a strike and virtually ANY Major League can hit a ball if they know it is going to be a strike.

I hope this allows Nate to relax a little, and with the lineup behind him this year, even with 5 guys having an “off” night, they’ll be good for 5-6 runs for him.

Of Dontrelle, Bondo, Kenny, and Nate—Nate is the one Pitcher this year that will surprise people and win 16-17 games….

He’s also the kind of person that will work harder now that he has the “big contract”….stay within yourself, Nate, and “go get’em Tiger!”….

]]> By: Mark L http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75772 Mark L Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:46:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75772 Of course we all hope for a great year from all our guys. That's what it takes to win it all in such a competitive league. I do seem to remember in 2006 Robertson pitching well in some difficult situations. He seemed to rise to the occasion when necessary. Let's hope he can string together a great year. Contract seems like a good deal. He will probably be number 5 this year, number 4 next year, so we will need him even more. Of course we all hope for a great year from all our guys. That’s what it takes to win it all in such a competitive league. I do seem to remember in 2006 Robertson pitching well in some difficult situations. He seemed to rise to the occasion when necessary. Let’s hope he can string together a great year. Contract seems like a good deal. He will probably be number 5 this year, number 4 next year, so we will need him even more.

]]> By: Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75771 Jim Fri, 18 Jan 2008 05:30:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75771 lol everyone predicts a breakout year for bonderman every year lol everyone predicts a breakout year for bonderman every year

]]> By: Dave http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75767 Dave Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:20:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75767 in terms of next year, I think the order of success will go Bonderman, Willis, and then Robertson. But then, I predict a breakout for Bonderman every damn year. in terms of next year, I think the order of success will go Bonderman, Willis, and then Robertson. But then, I predict a breakout for Bonderman every damn year.

]]> By: Dave http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75766 Dave Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:18:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75766 Jim, you're right. Predicting Meche's '07 success based on his track record would have been roughly equivalent to predicting success for Robertson now. He did show traces of brilliances in '06, after all. Jim, you’re right. Predicting Meche’s ‘07 success based on his track record would have been roughly equivalent to predicting success for Robertson now. He did show traces of brilliances in ‘06, after all.

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75765 T Smith Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:06:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75765 I'm curious to see how Nate will stack up given a less vigorous throwing regiment during the off-season. Frankly, he looked extremely medicore to sub-par last year. But I also reserve a modicum of confidence in him after watching his 2006 campaign, during which he received absolutely no run suppport. This contract has the potential to make Dombrowski look both like a genius or a dolt. I'm on the fence, but leaning toward approving of the deal. I think Robertson will pleasantly surprise in 2008 and will figure out how to optimize his ability in the latter-half of his carreer. I’m curious to see how Nate will stack up given a less vigorous throwing regiment during the off-season. Frankly, he looked extremely medicore to sub-par last year. But I also reserve a modicum of confidence in him after watching his 2006 campaign, during which he received absolutely no run suppport.

This contract has the potential to make Dombrowski look both like a genius or a dolt. I’m on the fence, but leaning toward approving of the deal. I think Robertson will pleasantly surprise in 2008 and will figure out how to optimize his ability in the latter-half of his carreer.

]]> By: Tigers, Robertson Agree on Three-Year Deal-Detroit Tigers-GoTeamsGo Sports Fan Forum http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75764 Tigers, Robertson Agree on Three-Year Deal-Detroit Tigers-GoTeamsGo Sports Fan Forum Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:15:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75764 [...] Agree on Three-Year Deal The Tigers locked up Nate Robertson for the next three years by signing him to a $21.25 million deal on Wednesday. He's not a great pitcher by any stretch of the imagination, but he' left-handed and [...] [...] Agree on Three-Year Deal The Tigers locked up Nate Robertson for the next three years by signing him to a $21.25 million deal on Wednesday. He’s not a great pitcher by any stretch of the imagination, but he’ left-handed and [...]

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75762 BobS. Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:34:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2008/01/robertson-extended-for-3-years/#comment-75762 It's alot for a fifth starter,but he's also a #5 who eats innings,is relatively consistent from start-to-start, and could pitch higher in the rotation for most other teams in baseball.Not to mention the intangibles mentioned above. I'm assuming the reason we haven't heard from don yet is that he's in a state of catatonic rage over the fact that Robertson won't have to take a bus to the stadium or plow driveways in the off-season. It’s alot for a fifth starter,but he’s also a #5 who eats innings,is relatively consistent from start-to-start, and could pitch higher in the rotation for most other teams in baseball.Not to mention the intangibles mentioned above.
I’m assuming the reason we haven’t heard from don yet is that he’s in a state of catatonic rage over the fact that Robertson won’t have to take a bus to the stadium or plow driveways in the off-season.

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