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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-dontrelle-files/#comment-75212</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Dontrelle just signed a three year deal with the Tigers for a reported 29M.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Dontrelle just signed a three year deal with the Tigers for a reported 29M.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does everyone think about the Tigers 3-4 years down the road?  There's all this gloomy talk out there in the press about the future of the Tigers, that they 'mortgaged' their future because they traded away these prospects, but I'm not convinced.

April, 2011:

C - ?
1B - Guillen - 35
2B - Polanco - 35
SS - Renteria - 35
3B - Cabrera - 28
RF - ?
CF - Granderson - 30
LF - Thames - 34(vs. lefties)/?(platoon guy)
DH - Ordonez - 37
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1 - Verlander - 28
2 - Bonderman - 28
3 -  Porcello - 22
4 - Willis - 29
5 - Robertson - 33
CL/setup - Zumaya - 26
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A couple holes to fill, but not many.....doesn't exactly look like 'chopped liver' to me.  In fact, that looks like a very solid, and still young(in 2011) rotation.  Infield would have decreased range by then, but that shouldn't be a disaster.

There's also plenty of time to reload through the draft or free agency, and only a couple of spots to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does everyone think about the Tigers 3-4 years down the road?  There&#8217;s all this gloomy talk out there in the press about the future of the Tigers, that they &#8216;mortgaged&#8217; their future because they traded away these prospects, but I&#8217;m not convinced.</p>
<p>April, 2011:</p>
<p>C - ?<br />
1B - Guillen - 35<br />
2B - Polanco - 35<br />
SS - Renteria - 35<br />
3B - Cabrera - 28<br />
RF - ?<br />
CF - Granderson - 30<br />
LF - Thames - 34(vs. lefties)/?(platoon guy)<br />
DH - Ordonez - 37<br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
1 - Verlander - 28<br />
2 - Bonderman - 28<br />
3 -  Porcello - 22<br />
4 - Willis - 29<br />
5 - Robertson - 33<br />
CL/setup - Zumaya - 26<br />
&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>A couple holes to fill, but not many&#8230;..doesn&#8217;t exactly look like &#8216;chopped liver&#8217; to me.  In fact, that looks like a very solid, and still young(in 2011) rotation.  Infield would have decreased range by then, but that shouldn&#8217;t be a disaster.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also plenty of time to reload through the draft or free agency, and only a couple of spots to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: ez</title>
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		<dc:creator>ez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is to memories:

http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2006/B10060DET2006.htm

I remember getting half of my section to chant "M-V-P" when Jeter hit into the double play. We did it again on his next ab, the world's weakest grounder back to the Gambler...

Granderson's long, long home run sailing deep into the Detroit sky seemed to take a day to land...

Casey knocking Johnson out of the game with a ripped double....

Matsui, Giaimbi caught looking. And looking REALLY foolish doing so...

Rogers tipping his hat to the crowd.... Friggin goose bumps just typing it...

By the end you could see the Yankees were in a state of shock... The crowd going crazy, the Tigers ripping them in every aspect of the game. Nope, that series ended when Rogers walked off the mound in the 8th...

Sorry, what was this thread about again? I seemed to have been daydreaming....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is to memories:</p>
<p><a href="http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2006/B10060DET2006.htm" rel="nofollow">http://retrosheet.org/boxesetc.....ET2006.htm</a></p>
<p>I remember getting half of my section to chant &#8220;M-V-P&#8221; when Jeter hit into the double play. We did it again on his next ab, the world&#8217;s weakest grounder back to the Gambler&#8230;</p>
<p>Granderson&#8217;s long, long home run sailing deep into the Detroit sky seemed to take a day to land&#8230;</p>
<p>Casey knocking Johnson out of the game with a ripped double&#8230;.</p>
<p>Matsui, Giaimbi caught looking. And looking REALLY foolish doing so&#8230;</p>
<p>Rogers tipping his hat to the crowd&#8230;. Friggin goose bumps just typing it&#8230;</p>
<p>By the end you could see the Yankees were in a state of shock&#8230; The crowd going crazy, the Tigers ripping them in every aspect of the game. Nope, that series ended when Rogers walked off the mound in the 8th&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, what was this thread about again? I seemed to have been daydreaming&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best sporting event i have witnessed in my young life, the best 30 bucks i ever spent and will probably ever spend</description>
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		<title>By: Rings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's make at least three of us who were there, and I'd agree: best sporting event I'd ever seen live, no question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s make at least three of us who were there, and I&#8217;d agree: best sporting event I&#8217;d ever seen live, no question.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at Game 3 and have almost certainly uttered that exact same sentence about Kenny about 100 times.  No game will ever compete with that one for me - absolutely everything about it was perfect.  I'd keep signing Kenny until his arm fell off if they'd let me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at Game 3 and have almost certainly uttered that exact same sentence about Kenny about 100 times.  No game will ever compete with that one for me - absolutely everything about it was perfect.  I&#8217;d keep signing Kenny until his arm fell off if they&#8217;d let me.</p>
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		<title>By: ez</title>
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		<dc:creator>ez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

A fair point on Meche.

Although I would not take him and his salary and contract over Bondo, Nate, D-Train, or the Gambler. 

-I still think Bondo has more upside.
-I like Nate for what we pay him (I am not researching this, but if memory serves it is in the ballpark that Nate is about 4 million cheaper than Gil)
-I like D-Train's age and upside, though his contract could become too bloated in the blink of an eye.
-And I like the Gambler waaaay better for two reasons: His one year contract this year, and Kenny gets a life time free pass from me for DESTROYING the Yankees in Game 3 in '06. Homer reason to be sure, but that one I will NEVER forget. Magg's home run was memorable, but that Series was decided. Steet was pitching in the 19th consecutive inning and his 82nd consecutive day (sarcasm there lads and lasses). That series was D-O-N-E. Nice shot Maggs, but for me the memory of '06 was when the Yankees, WITH THEIR GREATEST LINE-UP EVER were set to destroy the Kitties. 19 out 19 at ESPN had the Yanks that series. Everyone thought Verlander's gutty performance in game 2 was a nice "show me" effort. The Yanks were supposed to come in with Randy Acne Face and dime the Tigers and playoff choker Rogers... Bong! Not quite, there East Coast Media Biased Pinheads. I am fairly certain Hideki Matsui is STILL talking to himself after that last change-up... 

Wow. Sorry. But that rant felt GREAT. 

However, I took a swipe at Meche that was perhaps a little unwarrented and give you props for calling me out. Mea culpa. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>A fair point on Meche.</p>
<p>Although I would not take him and his salary and contract over Bondo, Nate, D-Train, or the Gambler. </p>
<p>-I still think Bondo has more upside.<br />
-I like Nate for what we pay him (I am not researching this, but if memory serves it is in the ballpark that Nate is about 4 million cheaper than Gil)<br />
-I like D-Train&#8217;s age and upside, though his contract could become too bloated in the blink of an eye.<br />
-And I like the Gambler waaaay better for two reasons: His one year contract this year, and Kenny gets a life time free pass from me for DESTROYING the Yankees in Game 3 in &#8216;06. Homer reason to be sure, but that one I will NEVER forget. Magg&#8217;s home run was memorable, but that Series was decided. Steet was pitching in the 19th consecutive inning and his 82nd consecutive day (sarcasm there lads and lasses). That series was D-O-N-E. Nice shot Maggs, but for me the memory of &#8216;06 was when the Yankees, WITH THEIR GREATEST LINE-UP EVER were set to destroy the Kitties. 19 out 19 at ESPN had the Yanks that series. Everyone thought Verlander&#8217;s gutty performance in game 2 was a nice &#8220;show me&#8221; effort. The Yanks were supposed to come in with Randy Acne Face and dime the Tigers and playoff choker Rogers&#8230; Bong! Not quite, there East Coast Media Biased Pinheads. I am fairly certain Hideki Matsui is STILL talking to himself after that last change-up&#8230; </p>
<p>Wow. Sorry. But that rant felt GREAT. </p>
<p>However, I took a swipe at Meche that was perhaps a little unwarrented and give you props for calling me out. Mea culpa. <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EZ -

Based on last year's stats, Meche ranks ahead of all of our starters, though only slightly ahead of Verlander (ERA+ 128 vs. 125).  I would never claim Meche to be the superior talent to Justin, but at the moment I'd take him over any of our other starters without a second thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EZ -</p>
<p>Based on last year&#8217;s stats, Meche ranks ahead of all of our starters, though only slightly ahead of Verlander (ERA+ 128 vs. 125).  I would never claim Meche to be the superior talent to Justin, but at the moment I&#8217;d take him over any of our other starters without a second thought.</p>
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		<title>By: EZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don, 

Good point except that there are times when a manager can massage rotations in order to get #1 guys more starts. For example, Bonderman (our Opening Day starter and considered #1 at the time) had two starts before our #5 Durbin got his first. So managers try to have a "slotting" system to have their best pitchers go as often as possible. Because they are worried first and foremost about their own team first (The Tigers wouldn't worry about facing Sabathia if Cleveland wasn't on the schedule for the next month) you often time see #1's facing other number ones as a result of a manager looking to get his best on the field as soon as possible.

Of course this is not gospell, I did indicate that it was. Pitchers can fade, no question Verlander is our #1 this year, and injuries can occur, Kenny for us and Francisco for Minny.

My point to your rebuttle is that it is not as random as your post would imply. It is not "just" as likely that a #1 faces a #5. Bondo opened against the best and lo and behold his 3rd start was against Halladay. His forth start was against Gil Meche, who granted is about a #1 as Grilli, was none the less KC's number one guy. 

Like I said this system isn't like clockwork, but the best often, I would argue usually, gets sent up against the other teams best. During the season Bondo faded, Verlander took over number one and was sent, when possible, against the other teams best. Or at least the top of their rotation.

Were I Jim Leyland and have the luxery of our line-up going into a 3 game series I would do my best to try and take two of the games by arranging a rotation where Verlander goes up against their best (I will take Verlander over anyone in the AL with the possible exception of Becket and Santana), I would try to have our #2 battle against their #2, and I would look to take the series with our superior back end of our rotation guys.  By and large I consider Rogers, Robertson, and either Bondo or Willis better than most any other team's #3,#4,#5 not located on Lake Erie or Boston Harbor, especially given our line-up. No excuse to lose a series to KC, Tampa, Seattle, Baltimore....not this year.

It isn't an exact science, but it isn't random either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don, </p>
<p>Good point except that there are times when a manager can massage rotations in order to get #1 guys more starts. For example, Bonderman (our Opening Day starter and considered #1 at the time) had two starts before our #5 Durbin got his first. So managers try to have a &#8220;slotting&#8221; system to have their best pitchers go as often as possible. Because they are worried first and foremost about their own team first (The Tigers wouldn&#8217;t worry about facing Sabathia if Cleveland wasn&#8217;t on the schedule for the next month) you often time see #1&#8217;s facing other number ones as a result of a manager looking to get his best on the field as soon as possible.</p>
<p>Of course this is not gospell, I did indicate that it was. Pitchers can fade, no question Verlander is our #1 this year, and injuries can occur, Kenny for us and Francisco for Minny.</p>
<p>My point to your rebuttle is that it is not as random as your post would imply. It is not &#8220;just&#8221; as likely that a #1 faces a #5. Bondo opened against the best and lo and behold his 3rd start was against Halladay. His forth start was against Gil Meche, who granted is about a #1 as Grilli, was none the less KC&#8217;s number one guy. </p>
<p>Like I said this system isn&#8217;t like clockwork, but the best often, I would argue usually, gets sent up against the other teams best. During the season Bondo faded, Verlander took over number one and was sent, when possible, against the other teams best. Or at least the top of their rotation.</p>
<p>Were I Jim Leyland and have the luxery of our line-up going into a 3 game series I would do my best to try and take two of the games by arranging a rotation where Verlander goes up against their best (I will take Verlander over anyone in the AL with the possible exception of Becket and Santana), I would try to have our #2 battle against their #2, and I would look to take the series with our superior back end of our rotation guys.  By and large I consider Rogers, Robertson, and either Bondo or Willis better than most any other team&#8217;s #3,#4,#5 not located on Lake Erie or Boston Harbor, especially given our line-up. No excuse to lose a series to KC, Tampa, Seattle, Baltimore&#8230;.not this year.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t an exact science, but it isn&#8217;t random either.</p>
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		<title>By: don</title>
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		<dc:creator>don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The idea of "our #4 matching up with other teams' #4" is only ever really applicable during playoffs.  during the regular season, when every team has different schedules, different days off, and minor injuries, a #1 is just as likely to face another team's 2, 3, 4 or 5 as the other team's #1.  It doesn't make sense to say that the starter leyland designates as "#2 or #3" will have any better chance at winning games than he would if he were called the #5 guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The idea of &#8220;our #4 matching up with other teams&#8217; #4&#8243; is only ever really applicable during playoffs.  during the regular season, when every team has different schedules, different days off, and minor injuries, a #1 is just as likely to face another team&#8217;s 2, 3, 4 or 5 as the other team&#8217;s #1.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense to say that the starter leyland designates as &#8220;#2 or #3&#8243; will have any better chance at winning games than he would if he were called the #5 guy.</p>
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