Comments on: The Cabrera- Willis Trade - early returns http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:40:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: William http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74631 William Thu, 06 Dec 2007 01:17:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74631 wow....unbelievable deal. I am a bit concerned about pitching going forward though--especially the bullpen--still a big ?. But still, we gave up prospects for one of the top 2-3 hitters in the game and a SP who hopefully can rebound--he's only 25. If Willis turns it around, this trade could be legendary. I was out last night and didn't see the news until around noon today. One of my wholesalers--a huge Indians fan, came into my office with a look on his face like he'd just seen a ghost. He said, "Jesus, were you guys THAT pissed that we won the Central last year?" What was the outlook on Trahern? I recall reading pretty good reports about him. Now that Jurrjens and Miller are both gone, who else beside Porcello has the best potential? I know that we have traded away our best 3-4 prospects, correct? wow….unbelievable deal. I am a bit concerned about pitching going forward though–especially the bullpen–still a big ?. But still, we gave up prospects for one of the top 2-3 hitters in the game and a SP who hopefully can rebound–he’s only 25. If Willis turns it around, this trade could be legendary.

I was out last night and didn’t see the news until around noon today. One of my wholesalers–a huge Indians fan, came into my office with a look on his face like he’d just seen a ghost. He said, “Jesus, were you guys THAT pissed that we won the Central last year?”

What was the outlook on Trahern? I recall reading pretty good reports about him. Now that Jurrjens and Miller are both gone, who else beside Porcello has the best potential? I know that we have traded away our best 3-4 prospects, correct?

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74604 T Smith Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:54:17 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74604 ***My guess is that Inge is going to stay in Detroit and at 3rd base. His defense is much better than Cabrera’s and that is important for building the pitching success. Cabrera can play left field*** An average -- or arguably below average -- defensive player can make a hell of a lot of gaffes in a spacious Comerica park LF as well. And usually those kind of errors result in an extra base or two, instead of a free base due to an error at third. I don't like the idea of putting Cabera in LF. Defensively, Renteria will be an upgrade at short while Cabera will be a downgrade at third, but my feeling is the Tiger's 2008 infield corps will not suffer too much overall relative their 2007 counterparts. Inge will not play 3rd base next year for the Tigers. If he stays, I see them using him as an all-around utility player or backup catcher depending on Wilson. Personally, I'm hoping DD shops him for some quality pitching depth, throwing in whoever else it may take to land somebody exciting. I understand Inge is an extremely polarizing figure for Tiger fans, so I'm not surprised to see the subtle "lobbying" begin for him to stay at third. But I don't see it happening -- nor do I feel it would be a good move to do so. ***My guess is that Inge is going to stay in Detroit and at 3rd base. His defense is much better than Cabrera’s and that is important for building the pitching success. Cabrera can play left field***

An average — or arguably below average — defensive player can make a hell of a lot of gaffes in a spacious Comerica park LF as well. And usually those kind of errors result in an extra base or two, instead of a free base due to an error at third. I don’t like the idea of putting Cabera in LF. Defensively, Renteria will be an upgrade at short while Cabera will be a downgrade at third, but my feeling is the Tiger’s 2008 infield corps will not suffer too much overall relative their 2007 counterparts.

Inge will not play 3rd base next year for the Tigers. If he stays, I see them using him as an all-around utility player or backup catcher depending on Wilson. Personally, I’m hoping DD shops him for some quality pitching depth, throwing in whoever else it may take to land somebody exciting. I understand Inge is an extremely polarizing figure for Tiger fans, so I’m not surprised to see the subtle “lobbying” begin for him to stay at third. But I don’t see it happening — nor do I feel it would be a good move to do so.

]]> By: Scott http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74593 Scott Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:44:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74593 Good gosh, how far have we come from the days of Kevin Witt, Mark Lewis and Hiram Bocachica? Good gosh, how far have we come from the days of Kevin Witt, Mark Lewis and Hiram Bocachica?

]]> By: Scott http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74591 Scott Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:41:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74591 I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think we should keep Inge around. With three lefties in the rotation and a SS with questionable range, we can afford to carry Inge's weak stick in the lineup. He is an above average defender with excellent range. Move Miggy to LF and let him play there for the next dozen years. Basically, DD has to decide who is out of a job here, Inge or Jones. I hope he doesn't decide on Inge because of $$$$. Like many of you, I hate to lose prospects like Maybin and Miller. But this was too good to pass up and these are young guys we can build around for 10 years Dombrowski MUST sign Miggy long term... I'd say wait and see on Dontrelle. I want to see if he can bounce back from two really poor seasons. If he continues downward, better to let him walk after 09. I'm very excited about all of this, too. But lets not hand the Tigers the World Series just yet. Cleveland is still going to be excellent and Boston will be tough, especially if they get Santana. The Yankees fortunes rest upon their young arms. If those guys come through, they'll be right there, too. Their offense will rival the Tigers. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I think we should keep Inge around. With three lefties in the rotation and a SS with questionable range, we can afford to carry Inge’s weak stick in the lineup. He is an above average defender with excellent range. Move Miggy to LF and let him play there for the next dozen years.

Basically, DD has to decide who is out of a job here, Inge or Jones. I hope he doesn’t decide on Inge because of $$$$.

Like many of you, I hate to lose prospects like Maybin and Miller. But this was too good to pass up and these are young guys we can build around for 10 years Dombrowski MUST sign Miggy long term… I’d say wait and see on Dontrelle. I want to see if he can bounce back from two really poor seasons. If he continues downward, better to let him walk after 09.

I’m very excited about all of this, too. But lets not hand the Tigers the World Series just yet. Cleveland is still going to be excellent and Boston will be tough, especially if they get Santana. The Yankees fortunes rest upon their young arms. If those guys come through, they’ll be right there, too. Their offense will rival the Tigers.

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]]> By: Steve in OH http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74576 Steve in OH Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:09:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74576 Good stuff... I'm in Dayton, OH now so the former 45 minute drive is now closer to 3 hours, 45 minutes... so unless I burn through vacation days I'm gonna have to aim for a weekend plan. Thanks again! Good stuff… I’m in Dayton, OH now so the former 45 minute drive is now closer to 3 hours, 45 minutes… so unless I burn through vacation days I’m gonna have to aim for a weekend plan. Thanks again!

]]> By: cib http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74568 cib Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:18:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74568 Yes they designate the plans as Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or weekday. That means the majority of the games are on those days. I have the Friday night plan but because of the freakish schedule last year there were fewer Friday night games than in 2006 so I had games all over the place. Some weekday day games, but I work downtown and was able to cut out and use the tickets!! They usually post the breakdown by late December/early Jan so you can see how the 27 games fall. Yes they designate the plans as Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or weekday. That means the majority of the games are on those days. I have the Friday night plan but because of the freakish schedule last year there were fewer Friday night games than in 2006 so I had games all over the place. Some weekday day games, but I work downtown and was able to cut out and use the tickets!! They usually post the breakdown by late December/early Jan so you can see how the 27 games fall.

]]> By: Steve in OH http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74567 Steve in OH Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:15:56 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74567 ^ Thanks for the info - I really appreciate it! Any idea if there's a plan comprised of mostly weekend games? ^ Thanks for the info - I really appreciate it!

Any idea if there’s a plan comprised of mostly weekend games?

]]> By: cib http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74566 cib Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:05:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74566 Steve in OH - I have the small season plan; the discount for buying a package depends on where you sit. I sit in sec 338 (near some very nice people from the Toledo area as a matter of fact!) and for the past two years the seat which retails for $20 ends up being $14 on the plan. I think this year it goes up $2 per seat per game. In 2006 we got some free weekday game passes and weekday food coupons, last year just food coupons. I like the view from up there, it is a good seat and very reasonable IMO. Steve in OH - I have the small season plan; the discount for buying a package depends on where you sit. I sit in sec 338 (near some very nice people from the Toledo area as a matter of fact!) and for the past two years the seat which retails for $20 ends up being $14 on the plan. I think this year it goes up $2 per seat per game. In 2006 we got some free weekday game passes and weekday food coupons, last year just food coupons. I like the view from up there, it is a good seat and very reasonable IMO.

]]> By: Anne http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74565 Anne Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:51:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/the-cabrera-willis-trade-early-returns/#comment-74565 Can I just say right now, I cannot WAIT for Opening Day?!! I can't remember being this excited for baseball since, well, last winter. :) The only downside I can see to this deal is losing out on watching Miller and Maybin play. They've been so highly touted for so long, I was really looking forward to watching them play for Detroit. However, I'll gladly trade that for what we have now--a chance to win big. Really, really big. I can't wait! Can I just say right now, I cannot WAIT for Opening Day?!! I can’t remember being this excited for baseball since, well, last winter. :) The only downside I can see to this deal is losing out on watching Miller and Maybin play. They’ve been so highly touted for so long, I was really looking forward to watching them play for Detroit. However, I’ll gladly trade that for what we have now–a chance to win big. Really, really big. I can’t wait!

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