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		<title>By: Winter Meeting Eve Rumor Roundup</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/holy-freakin-crap/#comment-109284</link>
		<dc:creator>Winter Meeting Eve Rumor Roundup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to people. It was at the winter meetings last year (a year ago last Thursday to be exact) when the Tigers traded for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. It was a move that came out of nowhere, so you never know what will happen. With that in mind, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to people. It was at the winter meetings last year (a year ago last Thursday to be exact) when the Tigers traded for Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. It was a move that came out of nowhere, so you never know what will happen. With that in mind, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Behind the Jersey &#187; Tigers make a blockbuster trade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Behind the Jersey &#187; Tigers make a blockbuster trade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] @ The Detroit Tigers Weblog: When Dave Dombrowski decides to go for it, boy does he go for it. Like in 1997 when he loaded up [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] @ The Detroit Tigers Weblog: When Dave Dombrowski decides to go for it, boy does he go for it. Like in 1997 when he loaded up [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/holy-freakin-crap/#comment-74688</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a good trade - as long as the &quot;injury bugaboo&quot; stays away. But that&#039;s unpredictable, so we just have to ride with that. Does this trade help the team? Of course. In my mind, Maybin and Miller weren&#039;t quite ready for The Show. Maybin has a weak arm out there; LF would be the only spot out there for him. And Miller - - watching him last year...he just didn&#039;t have good command of his pitches. So, both these guys, while great prospects, just weren&#039;t ready. But the real key will be the injury situation: if Willis + Cabrera stay healthy, the Tigers will&#039;ve gotten the better end of this. 

And Inge - what can you say about him? He&#039;s great defensively, but you can&#039;t keep anybody in the lineup who K&#039;s +150 times. You just can&#039;t. If they can trade him, then do it.....immediately. If not, then it&#039;s utility-time for him - he&#039;s got some value, being able to play C, 3B, or OF. But every day player? No mas, no mas. 

I hope the Tiges got a SS in the minors; the next &quot;problem spot.&quot; Renteria is a short-term fix; he&#039;s not young. They had to move Guillen to 1st, his gimpy knees can&#039;t handle the strain at SS anymore, and his power needs to be utilized. Casey, while a great guy, exhibited no power (what, 3 HR&#039;s?) from a position that should be a &quot;power position.&quot; Isn&#039;t there a 20 year old Trammell around somewhere? So, if we could trade Inge for a young SS.....even a top SS prospect, I say: go for it.

Ok Baseball Gods......I&#039;m making offerings to yous guys.......NO INJURIES.......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a good trade &#8211; as long as the &#8220;injury bugaboo&#8221; stays away. But that&#8217;s unpredictable, so we just have to ride with that. Does this trade help the team? Of course. In my mind, Maybin and Miller weren&#8217;t quite ready for The Show. Maybin has a weak arm out there; LF would be the only spot out there for him. And Miller &#8211; - watching him last year&#8230;he just didn&#8217;t have good command of his pitches. So, both these guys, while great prospects, just weren&#8217;t ready. But the real key will be the injury situation: if Willis + Cabrera stay healthy, the Tigers will&#8217;ve gotten the better end of this. </p>
<p>And Inge &#8211; what can you say about him? He&#8217;s great defensively, but you can&#8217;t keep anybody in the lineup who K&#8217;s +150 times. You just can&#8217;t. If they can trade him, then do it&#8230;..immediately. If not, then it&#8217;s utility-time for him &#8211; he&#8217;s got some value, being able to play C, 3B, or OF. But every day player? No mas, no mas. </p>
<p>I hope the Tiges got a SS in the minors; the next &#8220;problem spot.&#8221; Renteria is a short-term fix; he&#8217;s not young. They had to move Guillen to 1st, his gimpy knees can&#8217;t handle the strain at SS anymore, and his power needs to be utilized. Casey, while a great guy, exhibited no power (what, 3 HR&#8217;s?) from a position that should be a &#8220;power position.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t there a 20 year old Trammell around somewhere? So, if we could trade Inge for a young SS&#8230;..even a top SS prospect, I say: go for it.</p>
<p>Ok Baseball Gods&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;m making offerings to yous guys&#8230;&#8230;.NO INJURIES&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/holy-freakin-crap/#comment-74599</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 20:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This can&#039;t be true.  Let me pinch myself.  When I heard this news last night my immediate first thought was I feel sorry for the other teams pitchers - NOT!!!  For all of you Brandon Inge lovers out there, stop thinking the Tigers are going to play him anymore.  As a matter of fact, I bet DD is trying to unload him and his contract right now.  Has anyone heard how Wilson&#039;s repaired arm is coming along?  He is a key to everything right now.  Maybe DD has it in the back of his mind that Inge would be willing to be the back-up catcher.  The other back-up positions are taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This can&#8217;t be true.  Let me pinch myself.  When I heard this news last night my immediate first thought was I feel sorry for the other teams pitchers &#8211; NOT!!!  For all of you Brandon Inge lovers out there, stop thinking the Tigers are going to play him anymore.  As a matter of fact, I bet DD is trying to unload him and his contract right now.  Has anyone heard how Wilson&#8217;s repaired arm is coming along?  He is a key to everything right now.  Maybe DD has it in the back of his mind that Inge would be willing to be the back-up catcher.  The other back-up positions are taken.</p>
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		<title>By: Jojo Sun Devil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jojo Sun Devil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great deal!</description>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willis got heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willis got heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/holy-freakin-crap/#comment-74572</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cameronmaybin.tv/
get a last glimpse of this website, i&#039;m guessing it&#039;s going to have a &#039;under construction&#039; banner on it at any moment. no more &#039;eye of the tiger&#039; music, no more proclamations of cam as most exciting position player since kirk gibson...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cameronmaybin.tv/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cameronmaybin.tv/</a><br />
get a last glimpse of this website, i&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s going to have a &#8216;under construction&#8217; banner on it at any moment. no more &#8216;eye of the tiger&#8217; music, no more proclamations of cam as most exciting position player since kirk gibson&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrap those boys in bubble wrap til Spring!

Just bought my Tigerfest tickets, now extremely considering season tickets, as single game tickets will probably be impossible!

And weren&#039;t we saying that the Nashville meetings would be relatively quiet for the Tigers?  Way to go, DD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrap those boys in bubble wrap til Spring!</p>
<p>Just bought my Tigerfest tickets, now extremely considering season tickets, as single game tickets will probably be impossible!</p>
<p>And weren&#8217;t we saying that the Nashville meetings would be relatively quiet for the Tigers?  Way to go, DD.</p>
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		<title>By: EZ</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/holy-freakin-crap/#comment-74569</link>
		<dc:creator>EZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait to buy a hot dog from Inge :)))))

Hey Brandon, I will take two with mustard!

Phenominal trade. No more 150k&#039;s in 500 ab&#039;s from 3rd base, coupled with a shocking lack of power. We just traded a Porche to replace a jaloppy. Yeah, most everyone loves that old jaloppy, but that jaloppy really it isn&#039;t worth anything.

Starting pitching has been improved. The only thing that can beat us now is our own bullpen... Jimmy, please no more Todd Jones for two innings. Pitch him 3-4 days per week, 1 (that&#039;s one!) inning per outing. Zumaya, please please heal that wing.

Also, there is no way Bondo and Verlander pitch on consecutive days.... look for R-L-R-L-L or R-L-L-R-L

My guess (and hope) is:

Verlander
Willis
Rogers
Bondo
Robertson

Bondo and Nate should dominate against other teams fourth and fifth starters. Willis gets the tough task of matching up against other number two pitchers. Verlander should get us 15-19 wins and Bondo and Nate should get us 13-16 each from those slots, while eating up a ton of innings saving our pullpen for use when Rogers and Willis is on the hill. If Kenny can stay healthy and get us 6 innings per start and our lineup produces like it should... this is a 100 win team, even in the Central.

If I see Dave Dombrowski in a bar he will never have to pay for a drink as long as I am there! Thanks Mr. I and DD!

Brandon, where are my dogs???????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait to buy a hot dog from Inge <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ))))</p>
<p>Hey Brandon, I will take two with mustard!</p>
<p>Phenominal trade. No more 150k&#8217;s in 500 ab&#8217;s from 3rd base, coupled with a shocking lack of power. We just traded a Porche to replace a jaloppy. Yeah, most everyone loves that old jaloppy, but that jaloppy really it isn&#8217;t worth anything.</p>
<p>Starting pitching has been improved. The only thing that can beat us now is our own bullpen&#8230; Jimmy, please no more Todd Jones for two innings. Pitch him 3-4 days per week, 1 (that&#8217;s one!) inning per outing. Zumaya, please please heal that wing.</p>
<p>Also, there is no way Bondo and Verlander pitch on consecutive days&#8230;. look for R-L-R-L-L or R-L-L-R-L</p>
<p>My guess (and hope) is:</p>
<p>Verlander<br />
Willis<br />
Rogers<br />
Bondo<br />
Robertson</p>
<p>Bondo and Nate should dominate against other teams fourth and fifth starters. Willis gets the tough task of matching up against other number two pitchers. Verlander should get us 15-19 wins and Bondo and Nate should get us 13-16 each from those slots, while eating up a ton of innings saving our pullpen for use when Rogers and Willis is on the hill. If Kenny can stay healthy and get us 6 innings per start and our lineup produces like it should&#8230; this is a 100 win team, even in the Central.</p>
<p>If I see Dave Dombrowski in a bar he will never have to pay for a drink as long as I am there! Thanks Mr. I and DD!</p>
<p>Brandon, where are my dogs???????????</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson in Austin, Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson in Austin, Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, Willis was runner up in 2005....Chris Carpenter barley beat him out.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, Willis was runner up in 2005&#8230;.Chris Carpenter barley beat him out&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson in Austin, Texas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson in Austin, Texas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We traded for 2 proven stars and gave up a couple of can&#039;t miss prospects with Cameron and Andrew....but the best trades work out for both teams.....I think that this also increases the chances of Graderson being a Tiger for life...That alone makes it good....I like the idea of keeping Inge at 3rd...I just hope Bonderman and Rogers stay healthy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We traded for 2 proven stars and gave up a couple of can&#8217;t miss prospects with Cameron and Andrew&#8230;.but the best trades work out for both teams&#8230;..I think that this also increases the chances of Graderson being a Tiger for life&#8230;That alone makes it good&#8230;.I like the idea of keeping Inge at 3rd&#8230;I just hope Bonderman and Rogers stay healthy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in Kzoo</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/12/holy-freakin-crap/#comment-74556</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve in Kzoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HOLY CRAP!!!!!  Of all the days to be in my car all day.   Geez, an unbelievable, incredible, insane, selling the farm, sweet, awesome, spactacular TRADE!!!!  When I was listening to 97.1fm and they said during the Red Wings game that the Tigers pulled off a blockbuster trade, I was like who did we get and who did we give up.  

Here&#039;s what I thought at first:

Andrew Miller + prospects ----&gt; Dan Haren

or 

Cameron Maybin, Miller, +prospects ----&gt; J. Santana, and J. Nathan

Then the trade was announced.  This came out from nowhere.  I was speechless then just started to swear because it was just unbelievable.  I couldn&#039;t believe we just got the best 3B and SP on the market(besides Santana).  Holy S*** I thought. 

This trade was a true masterpiece done by DD.  While we gave up awesome prospects for Cabrera and Willis we want it now.  I said before that we weren&#039;t in a WIN NOW mode well I difinitely stand corrected.  DD is in WIN NOW.  Though signing Cabrera to a 5-8 year deal for 150 million would be very satifying and him being only 24 and Willis 25 (2005 Cy Young winner) we have solid young talent in return for prospects.  They may be awesome but they have only potential and were not proven.  Miggy and D-Train are proven and we needed to move.  Willis will bounce back and Miggy will regress slightly like Maggs.  But this is one team to FEAR!!!!! in 2008.  We are now Murderers row and the Evil Empire.  

Lineup 2008

1. Granderson CF
2. Polanco 2B
3. Cabrera 3B
4. Ordonez RF
5. Sheffield DH
6. Guillen 1B
7. Renteria SS
8. Jones/Thames LF
9. Pudge C

Rotation

1. Verlander
2. Bonderman
3. Willis
4. Rodgers
5. Robertson

Setup/Closer
SU - ????
CP - Jones

This is just an unbelievable team in 2008 a very special team.  Tigers are the TEAM to be in 2008.  And even the WS champs BoSox manager Terry Franconone said &quot;Im glad we arent in the same division, that lineup just got scary.&quot;

GO TIGERS 2008 and beyond!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HOLY CRAP!!!!!  Of all the days to be in my car all day.   Geez, an unbelievable, incredible, insane, selling the farm, sweet, awesome, spactacular TRADE!!!!  When I was listening to 97.1fm and they said during the Red Wings game that the Tigers pulled off a blockbuster trade, I was like who did we get and who did we give up.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what I thought at first:</p>
<p>Andrew Miller + prospects &#8212;-&gt; Dan Haren</p>
<p>or </p>
<p>Cameron Maybin, Miller, +prospects &#8212;-&gt; J. Santana, and J. Nathan</p>
<p>Then the trade was announced.  This came out from nowhere.  I was speechless then just started to swear because it was just unbelievable.  I couldn&#8217;t believe we just got the best 3B and SP on the market(besides Santana).  Holy S*** I thought. </p>
<p>This trade was a true masterpiece done by DD.  While we gave up awesome prospects for Cabrera and Willis we want it now.  I said before that we weren&#8217;t in a WIN NOW mode well I difinitely stand corrected.  DD is in WIN NOW.  Though signing Cabrera to a 5-8 year deal for 150 million would be very satifying and him being only 24 and Willis 25 (2005 Cy Young winner) we have solid young talent in return for prospects.  They may be awesome but they have only potential and were not proven.  Miggy and D-Train are proven and we needed to move.  Willis will bounce back and Miggy will regress slightly like Maggs.  But this is one team to FEAR!!!!! in 2008.  We are now Murderers row and the Evil Empire.  </p>
<p>Lineup 2008</p>
<p>1. Granderson CF<br />
2. Polanco 2B<br />
3. Cabrera 3B<br />
4. Ordonez RF<br />
5. Sheffield DH<br />
6. Guillen 1B<br />
7. Renteria SS<br />
8. Jones/Thames LF<br />
9. Pudge C</p>
<p>Rotation</p>
<p>1. Verlander<br />
2. Bonderman<br />
3. Willis<br />
4. Rodgers<br />
5. Robertson</p>
<p>Setup/Closer<br />
SU &#8211; ????<br />
CP &#8211; Jones</p>
<p>This is just an unbelievable team in 2008 a very special team.  Tigers are the TEAM to be in 2008.  And even the WS champs BoSox manager Terry Franconone said &#8220;Im glad we arent in the same division, that lineup just got scary.&#8221;</p>
<p>GO TIGERS 2008 and beyond!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3141315

We got a pitcher... but nothing to talk about.</description>
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<p>We got a pitcher&#8230; but nothing to talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even Santana couldn&#039;t get through this linup without some major damage.</description>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could Anthony be DD? He did hint at something big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could Anthony be DD? He did hint at something big.</p>
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