Comments on: Valuing Kenny Rogers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:42:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Rogers, Rumors, and the Winter Meetings http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-74339 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Rogers, Rumors, and the Winter Meetings Tue, 04 Dec 2007 02:37:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-74339 [...] I looked at what the Tigers should pay Rogers it appears that the Tigers did well. They are at the higher end, but only marginally so, in terms [...] [...] I looked at what the Tigers should pay Rogers it appears that the Tigers did well. They are at the higher end, but only marginally so, in terms [...]

]]> By: ron http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73899 ron Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:47:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73899 Do you really think Mags would stand at the plate watching a homer in 1968 without getting some serious chin music the next time up? You'd better be able to lay down a bunt to move players along too. How about throwing the ball to the plate on the fly from 200 ft. away without bouncing it. Can these players stand in the box without adjusting every thing but their bra strap between pitches. How about all those half swings. Make up your mind for crying out loud. And as far as crying out loud goes-quit doing that too. Do you really think Mags would stand at the plate watching a homer in 1968 without getting some serious chin music the next time up? You’d better be able to lay down a bunt to move players along too. How about throwing the ball to the plate on the fly from 200 ft. away without bouncing it. Can these players stand in the box without adjusting every thing but their bra strap between pitches. How about all those half swings. Make up your mind for crying out loud. And as far as crying out loud goes-quit doing that too.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73883 David Sun, 18 Nov 2007 04:05:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73883 What categorie would Higginson fall under? What categorie would Higginson fall under?

]]> By: greg http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73882 greg Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:50:51 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73882 Nope, no longing here, just an observation. Bob wrote: And you,apparently,by dismissing values like integrity,passion,etc. in the present day player who you seem to think so little of. Unqoute No I did not dismiss them. In my brevity, I can see how that sentence could be misinterpreted. They are certainly present, just to a somewhat lesser degree, but that's why I love guys like Inge, Granderson, Leyland, Ryan Freel, Eric Byrnes. I love these guys and others like them. Unfortunately, there's been an increase of the number of ballplayers who show apathy, lollygag, lack of hustle. An increase in those who show a lack of proper respect for managers and other players(Milton Bradley, Jose Guillen types). The large salaries have created bigger egos. It's not just my observation, players and coaches have spoken about it or addressed it in interviews. But there are still a lot of good guys out there. Dombrowski is one of the good guys, and he knows how to assemble guys with character. Nope, no longing here, just an observation.

Bob wrote:

And you,apparently,by dismissing values like integrity,passion,etc. in the present day player who you seem to think so little of.

Unqoute

No I did not dismiss them. In my brevity, I can see how that sentence could be misinterpreted. They are certainly present, just to a somewhat lesser degree, but that’s why I love guys like Inge, Granderson, Leyland, Ryan Freel, Eric Byrnes. I love these guys and others like them. Unfortunately, there’s been an increase of the number of ballplayers who show apathy, lollygag, lack of hustle. An increase in those who show a lack of proper respect for managers and other players(Milton Bradley, Jose Guillen types). The large salaries have created bigger egos. It’s not just my observation, players and coaches have spoken about it or addressed it in interviews. But there are still a lot of good guys out there. Dombrowski is one of the good guys, and he knows how to assemble guys with character.

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73879 BobS. Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:25:56 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73879 Who's longing? ron,for one,who started this conversation by declaring he "liked it better when the owners held the players in servitude." And you,apparently,by dismissing values like integrity,passion,etc. in the present day player who you seem to think so little of. Thirty years of free agency haven't changed the human nature of the people playing the game that much.You over-estimate those qualities in players of the past,and you under-estimate them now. Who’s longing?
ron,for one,who started this conversation by declaring he “liked it better when the owners held the players in servitude.”
And you,apparently,by dismissing values like integrity,passion,etc. in the present day player who you seem to think so little of.
Thirty years of free agency haven’t changed the human nature of the people playing the game that much.You over-estimate those qualities in players of the past,and you under-estimate them now.

]]> By: greg http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73875 greg Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:49:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73875 Bob, who here is 'longing'? I think some people are just calling a spade a spade and, for some reason, this honesty has gotten under some peoples skin. Why would it bother some people that, while they like both versions of the game, they prefer the 'good ole' days'? Silly to value integrity, loyalty, team identity & solidarity, playing with passion, intensity, mutual respect? Ok, I confess, call me silly, life goes on. Peace. Go Tigers. Bob, who here is ‘longing’? I think some people are just calling a spade a spade and, for some reason, this honesty has gotten under some peoples skin. Why would it bother some people that, while they like both versions of the game, they prefer the ‘good ole’ days’?

Silly to value integrity, loyalty, team identity & solidarity, playing with passion, intensity, mutual respect?

Ok, I confess, call me silly, life goes on.

Peace. Go Tigers.

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73874 BobS. Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:56:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73874 I agree about the silliness of longing for a romanticized past of restricted freedom.People who believe there were ever 'good old days' either didn't experience them and believe the sanitized version they got from grade school textbooks or they lived through them and now suffer from historical amnesia. I agree about the silliness of longing for a romanticized past of restricted freedom.People who believe there were ever ‘good old days’ either didn’t experience them and believe the sanitized version they got from grade school textbooks or they lived through them and now suffer from historical amnesia.

]]> By: luke http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73867 luke Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:01:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73867 Don wrote: I honestly do not understand what you are talking about because you cannot give even one example. unquote. Don, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously with comments like that? Read the Sienfeld remarks again. Denying lucid examples is not very impresive. Totally agree Greg and Ron. Steroids, HGH, free agency, high turnover on the roster, players being less durable, more showboating, numerous players lack of hustle, pitchers being extremely fragile, pitchers held to pitch counts under 100 when they routinely topped the 200 pitch count without missing a beat 'back in the good 'ol days'. Time on DL increasing exponentially. There are countless examples of how the game has significantly changed, one could write a novel. This argument is silly. Don wrote:

I honestly do not understand what you are talking about because you cannot give even one example.

unquote.

Don, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously with comments like that? Read the Sienfeld remarks again. Denying lucid examples is not very impresive.

Totally agree Greg and Ron. Steroids, HGH, free agency, high turnover on the roster, players being less durable, more showboating, numerous players lack of hustle, pitchers being extremely fragile, pitchers held to pitch counts under 100 when they routinely topped the 200 pitch count without missing a beat ‘back in the good ‘ol days’. Time on DL increasing exponentially. There are countless examples of how the game has significantly changed, one could write a novel.

This argument is silly.

]]> By: tiger fan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73830 tiger fan Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:46:35 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73830 classy way to close debate classy way to close debate

]]> By: greg http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73823 greg Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:22:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/valuing-kenny-rogers/#comment-73823 Don - Dude, calm down. Geeze. Believe what you want to believe, as this really seems to be a burning issue with you. Don - Dude, calm down. Geeze. Believe what you want to believe, as this really seems to be a burning issue with you.

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