Comments on: Handing out hardware http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:24:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73546 BobS. Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:05:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73546 Fair enough.But,of course,your explanation begs the question why you would bother reading a post titled "Handing out hardware" and then subsequently comment over and over on a related thread? Fair enough.But,of course,your explanation begs the question why you would bother reading a post titled “Handing out hardware” and then subsequently comment over and over on a related thread?

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73540 Mike R Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:55:37 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73540 Nah, not new here. Been here regularly the last year or so. I think every single MLB Award handed out is a joke as most of the time it's wrong or extremely flawed. I didn't mean "who cares" in the grand scheme of life, but more of a "who cares" what order Granderson/Posada finish in in the MVP voting on Billfer's ballot because neither of them are winning or likely finishing in the top 3. Nah, not new here. Been here regularly the last year or so. I think every single MLB Award handed out is a joke as most of the time it’s wrong or extremely flawed. I didn’t mean “who cares” in the grand scheme of life, but more of a “who cares” what order Granderson/Posada finish in in the MVP voting on Billfer’s ballot because neither of them are winning or likely finishing in the top 3.

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73539 BobS. Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:26:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73539 Yeah,perhaps I overstated the importance of his game handling skills and their effect on the Yankees winning all of the 94 games they did while attempting to point out that a catcher can do more than block wild pitches and slow down the other teams running game to contribute to a team's success.Assigning Posada to the "lower echelon" of defensive catchers pretty much implies he's not a threat to win a Gold Glove,but then again (and fortunately for the Yankees),he's not Molina's peer offensively,either. You must be new here to ask "who cares either way?".It's such ultimately unimportant (let's face it,it's about baseball,not war or floods or fire or famine)opinion and speculation about awards and trades and pennant races that drives this blog and it's comment section. Yeah,perhaps I overstated the importance of his game handling skills and their effect on the Yankees winning all of the 94 games they did while attempting to point out that a catcher can do more than block wild pitches and slow down the other teams running game to contribute to a team’s success.Assigning Posada to the “lower echelon” of defensive catchers pretty much implies he’s not a threat to win a Gold Glove,but then again (and fortunately for the Yankees),he’s not Molina’s peer offensively,either.
You must be new here to ask “who cares either way?”.It’s such ultimately unimportant (let’s face it,it’s about baseball,not war or floods or fire or famine)opinion and speculation about awards and trades and pennant races that drives this blog and it’s comment section.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73537 Mike R Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:08:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73537 I know. I was just stating that you mentioned his skills in calling games on one of the more mediocre pitching staffs in the game last year as part of their success, which I find to be largely unfounded. They were successful because they slugged and walked their way to big run totals. It's not like he's Yadier Molina or something of that sort. And either way, we're splitting hairs. I probably would vote Posada over Granderson as well, but who cares either way? I know. I was just stating that you mentioned his skills in calling games on one of the more mediocre pitching staffs in the game last year as part of their success, which I find to be largely unfounded. They were successful because they slugged and walked their way to big run totals. It’s not like he’s Yadier Molina or something of that sort.

And either way, we’re splitting hairs. I probably would vote Posada over Granderson as well, but who cares either way?

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73519 BobS. Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:44:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73519 Exactly.A number they reached with a significant contribution from a catcher (you know,the one guy other than the pitcher who's integral to the play with every pitch) with an OPS+ of 154. All other things being equal,which they very roughly are,more MVP consideration is due catchers than outfielders as well as members of playoff teams. Exactly.A number they reached with a significant contribution from a catcher (you know,the one guy other than the pitcher who’s integral to the play with every pitch) with an OPS+ of 154.
All other things being equal,which they very roughly are,more MVP consideration is due catchers than outfielders as well as members of playoff teams.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73518 David Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:39:28 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73518 Even though I don't think he will be that good... if you consider Dice-K a rookie the more deserving one besides Pedroia in 2007 IMO would be Hideki Okajima Even though I don’t think he will be that good… if you consider Dice-K a rookie the more deserving one besides Pedroia in 2007

IMO would be Hideki Okajima

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73516 Mike R Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:00:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73516 The Yankees leading the majors with 968 runs scores is why they won 94 games. The Yankees leading the majors with 968 runs scores is why they won 94 games.

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73515 BobS. Sat, 10 Nov 2007 06:24:27 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73515 There's no question that Granderson is better defensively at his position than Posada is at his (where he's probably in the lower echelon).On the other hand,Posada is regarded as one of the better catchers at calling games and handling pitchers and has to be considered an important element in a mediocre staff winning 94 games and making the post-season. Not only that,but he had arguably a better offensive year (.338/.426/.543 vs .302/.361/.552) while playing 138 games at the most physically demanding position on the diamond in a season during which he turned 36. There’s no question that Granderson is better defensively at his position than Posada is at his (where he’s probably in the lower echelon).On the other hand,Posada is regarded as one of the better catchers at calling games and handling pitchers and has to be considered an important element in a mediocre staff winning 94 games and making the post-season.
Not only that,but he had arguably a better offensive year (.338/.426/.543 vs .302/.361/.552) while playing 138 games at the most physically demanding position on the diamond in a season during which he turned 36.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73511 billfer Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:07:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73511 Bob- I don't have a problem with that. I admitted having a hard time ranking those guys and fully admit to some homerism - but I can justify it as well. I'd just counter that Posada didn't play the position particularly well while Granderson played a position of significant (granted lesser) importance in one of the biggest centerfields in the majors and he was excellent. But again, I can see it the other way as well. Dave - I can consider Matsuzaka a rookie because he is. He amassed over 200 innings and over 200 strike outs at the age of 26 while adjusting to a new culture and country. I won't hold his posting fee and contract against him when I judge his performance. And I voted for one of his teammates number 1. Who was the other Red Sox rookie more deserving? Bob- I don’t have a problem with that. I admitted having a hard time ranking those guys and fully admit to some homerism - but I can justify it as well.

I’d just counter that Posada didn’t play the position particularly well while Granderson played a position of significant (granted lesser) importance in one of the biggest centerfields in the majors and he was excellent.

But again, I can see it the other way as well.

Dave - I can consider Matsuzaka a rookie because he is. He amassed over 200 innings and over 200 strike outs at the age of 26 while adjusting to a new culture and country. I won’t hold his posting fee and contract against him when I judge his performance. And I voted for one of his teammates number 1. Who was the other Red Sox rookie more deserving?

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73510 BobS. Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:52:08 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/11/handing-out-hardware/#comment-73510 While certain to provoke tears in some quarters,Posada deserves to be ranked higher than Granderson. His offensive production was exceptional while playing a position of greater importance for a team that made the playoffs. While certain to provoke tears in some quarters,Posada deserves to be ranked higher than Granderson.
His offensive production was exceptional while playing a position of greater importance for a team that made the playoffs.

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