Also, I participate in forums like this that cover a wide range of topics and BY FAR we here are the nicest/friendliest lot.

Yeah,down with Curtis,send him to Toledo-that’s exactly what I wrote (actually,his performance against LHP is more suggestive of a AA player).Not only do you apparently not understand what I wrote,you seem to get a little irritable when your parents let you stay up too late.But your pique lets me think I know who somebody’s Tiger is.

Oh, I understood it. I was just being facetious because we clearly don’t agree and I was finished just re-stating our positions over and over and over. Sometimes my parents let me stay up a little later when I learn to just walk away from a discussion that’s going no where fast to defuse the situation.

Inge – who hits lefties well bats leadoff and Grandy ninth when their is a lefthander on the mound.

With our predominantly right-handed lineup one would think on most nights we kill them, which we do and struggle more against rightys.

The big thing thats got everyones head screwed on backwards mine included for a brief period is that plain and simple Pitching WINS.

If Granderson drops off next year and so does Magglio and Polanco, but we have Jeremy Bonderman and Nate Robertson finally put together whole years that would make us proud we probably would have just as good if not a better record.

It all hinges on those two I think and esp the bullpen.

Of course it would be nice if Grandy could learn this winter, and Inge could rethink what he is doing at the plate (or stop thinking all together for that matter and just swing at strikes) and Shef could be healthy and we could pick up a Rowand or Lowell thats all fine and Dandy-Grandy but it all hinges on the guys who let the ball go.]

Also let me add Zumaya and Rodney b/c even though Rodney has shown streches where he has been really good if I have to go through another April of his from last year I’d like them to ship him off to the moon to collect his balls.

And even though Zumaya has a great fastball and curve when they are right, he seriously needs to work on command and also maybe develop a change and drop the curve b/c the last thing we need is him on the DL.

Give him an offseason and spring training to see what adjustments he makes.

Plus I think this year was a combination of him being bad against lefties, with bad luck, and the result was awfulness. His babip was ridiculously low against lefties (and ridiculously high against righties).

And what does this have to do with Pudge anyways.

And Bob – stop with the asterisks in the swear words.. And everyone play nice

In Greek mythology, Achilles was a hero of the Trojan War, the central character and greatest warrior of Homer’s Iliad. Later legends state that Achilles was invulnerable on all of his body except for his heel. These legends state that Achilles was killed in battle by an arrow to the heel, and so an Achilles’ heel has come to mean a person’s only weakness.

Seriously, Granderson needs to hit .250 against lefties or all this stuff about him being potential HoFer or the game’s best centerfield has to stop. He is an excellent player, but a great boxer doesn’t have a glass jaw, a great decathlete doesn’t run the 1500 m in six minutes, a great golfer doesn’t chip like a nine-year-old. All he has to do is prove himself adequate against lefties, his strengths in his other areas make up for mere adequacy. I think the fear is that he might be uh, less than adequate.

Mike R,I understood your point about small samples.Pardon my snark.
While bolstered by the admittedly limited statistical evidence,my opinion of Granderson vs LHP is based primarily by watching Granderson’s futile attempts to hit LHP.Offhand,I can think of few All-Star quality players who displayed such Jeckyll and Hyde performance depending on which arm the pitcher threw with.Actually,none.
Granderson should be spending this winter enjoying the warm weather in Venezuela or Puerto Rico while working on that glaring deficiency in his game.When he returns to Lakeland in the spring,he should be tethered at the ankle to Al Kaline for round-the-clock instruction.He’s a AA player at best against LHP and he shouldn’t be learning during the 162 game season as he only harms the team,particularly at the leadoff spot where his weakness is exposed the maximum number of times.
I don’t buy the citation of Sizemore and his improved performance.They are two different players.Closing your eyes,clicking your heels together,and repeating “But Sizemore did it,but Sizemore did it…” doesn’t mean Grandy will.Until Granderson shows me something more against LHP,consider me a skeptic.
By the way,f**k the Yankees,and thank you Joe Torre for letting Rivera watch while the tying run (Grady Sizemore!) was wild pitched home.
(I wrote this comment once only to watch it disappear into the cybersphere.Pardon me if two variations appear)

Why? You don’t see the similarities between Grady Sizemore and Curtis Granderson?

Granderson’s career numbers: .280/.343/.493
Grady Sizemore: .283/.390/.488

Their only difference is that Granderson is a year older (and more raw when he came up through the minors, which is why he only had 400 or so fewer AB’s in the minors then Sizemore, who spent 3 more years in the minors because Grandy came from College, Grady from High school.

Their first full seasons in the majors are similar and they both are speed + power packages (I think Sizemore has more power, but both are legit 30/30 threats in their careers) and left-handed hitters. I don’t know how you don’t see the similarities and their growths. It’s not a matter of “clicking my heels” and “wishing Grady Sizemore did it. . .” like you may think.

Now, him batting leadoff is a completely different issue. He shouldn’t be leading off, regardless of his splits versus pitchers. Neither should Grady Sizemore.

maybe trade em grilli and bazardo and a so-so prospect?