Comments on: Newsflash: Rivera is better than Jones http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 20 Mar 2010 17:11:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rob http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72467 Rob Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:02:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72467 Kurt, Perhaps you work in the industry. I'm getting my information from what Bill Simmons said in his quasi-biography "Now I Can Die In Piece." Kurt,

Perhaps you work in the industry. I’m getting my information from what Bill Simmons said in his quasi-biography “Now I Can Die In Piece.”

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72274 Kurt Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:18:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72274 I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one Rob. There are a few blind spots in your analysis. First off, newspapers have been getting pounded with job cuts, buyouts, etc, left and right. Unions are battered. Heck, the Freep just announced 100 buyouts Friday. Nationwide, papers are cutting across the board, including beats and seniority doesn't help. Ask Perry Farrell about and his Detroit Pistons beat about how Remember him? Replaced by Krista (Latham) Jahnke when she was what, a year or two out of college? He ended up on the Detroit-Mercy beat and then preps. We have Mike Rosenberg in his low 30s or so as a columnist at the Freep. We have Jon Paul Morosi at the Freep, probably around 30 also. Right there, we see three young, talented writers. I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one Rob. There are a few blind spots in your analysis.

First off, newspapers have been getting pounded with job cuts, buyouts, etc, left and right. Unions are battered. Heck, the Freep just announced 100 buyouts Friday. Nationwide, papers are cutting across the board, including beats and seniority doesn’t help.

Ask Perry Farrell about and his Detroit Pistons beat about how Remember him? Replaced by Krista (Latham) Jahnke when she was what, a year or two out of college? He ended up on the Detroit-Mercy beat and then preps. We have Mike Rosenberg in his low 30s or so as a columnist at the Freep. We have Jon Paul Morosi at the Freep, probably around 30 also.

Right there, we see three young, talented writers.

]]> By: Rob http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72270 Rob Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:40:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72270 Yeah, not surprising. The old media press is ghastly. You have to remember that these guys get these jobs, and then hold onto them until a better one comes along or they die. They are protected by their union, and young talent cannot get a break. This is why good writers like Bill Simmons end up on ESPN Page2 while we get mediocre column writers. My review of the Detroit sports press: Mitch Albom: Quality of columns took a big dive once he became a famous author. He's simply doing way too much and it affects the quality of his work. Terry Foster: I generally like his stuff. Still sort of writes like a "beat writer" and not a feature columnist, though. Mike O'Hara: Solid veteran old media guy. Writes cogent, to the point articles that are hard hitting. Maybe my favorite of the bunch. Lynn Henning: Fairly pedestrian. Changed his mind on Sean Casey based on basically nothing. He ripped that guy early in the year, and changed his mind based on a barely .300 batting average with no power and no RBI's. Yeah, not surprising. The old media press is ghastly. You have to remember that these guys get these jobs, and then hold onto them until a better one comes along or they die. They are protected by their union, and young talent cannot get a break. This is why good writers like Bill Simmons end up on ESPN Page2 while we get mediocre column writers.

My review of the Detroit sports press:

Mitch Albom: Quality of columns took a big dive once he became a famous author. He’s simply doing way too much and it affects the quality of his work.

Terry Foster: I generally like his stuff. Still sort of writes like a “beat writer” and not a feature columnist, though.

Mike O’Hara: Solid veteran old media guy. Writes cogent, to the point articles that are hard hitting. Maybe my favorite of the bunch.

Lynn Henning: Fairly pedestrian. Changed his mind on Sean Casey based on basically nothing. He ripped that guy early in the year, and changed his mind based on a barely .300 batting average with no power and no RBI’s.

]]> By: Chuck http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72260 Chuck Mon, 15 Oct 2007 11:50:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72260 One of the amusing parts of this is that you don't even have to dig into sabermetric analysis to conclude that Rivera is better than Jones. It's obvious on its face. One of the amusing parts of this is that you don’t even have to dig into sabermetric analysis to conclude that Rivera is better than Jones. It’s obvious on its face.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72249 Mike R Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:32:41 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72249 What's this? Drew Sharp spouting off garbage that is just untrue because he doesn't know baseball? I am shocked, SHOCKED I say. Him and Rob Parker are ridiculous. I pity anyone who takes what they say about the Tigers with more then a grain of salt. What’s this? Drew Sharp spouting off garbage that is just untrue because he doesn’t know baseball? I am shocked, SHOCKED I say.

Him and Rob Parker are ridiculous. I pity anyone who takes what they say about the Tigers with more then a grain of salt.

]]> By: David http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72242 David Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:58:43 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72242 Parker is the worst writer ever. I never know how he can get on ESPN from time to time or how he even holds a job. 9/10 articles he writes are total trash. Gage isn't great but itsn't horrid IMO Henning is a little better I like Caputo, but that could just be me, I think probably 7 or 8 times out of ten I agree with him. Parker is the worst writer ever.

I never know how he can get on ESPN from time to time or how he even holds a job.

9/10 articles he writes are total trash.

Gage isn’t great but itsn’t horrid IMO

Henning is a little better

I like Caputo, but that could just be me, I think probably 7 or 8 times out of ten I agree with him.

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72239 Vince in MN Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:54:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72239 JML: It could have as easily been Gage or Parker. It's the same here in Minn. - lots of rah-rah, the manager is a genius and the players are all great (until they are traded or released), never a discouraging word, and heaven forbid any in-depth statistical analysis. Maybe job security encourages this approach, but the result is that they just become shills for the teams. The writing style is generally so weak and the information so thin (lots of quotes from manager X or player Y, though), that in most cases all you have to do is read the headline, skip the body of the text and go on to the box score. For the hardcore fan the information you seek is not to be found in the newspaper. Thank goodness for the internet. JML:
It could have as easily been Gage or Parker. It’s the same here in Minn. – lots of rah-rah, the manager is a genius and the players are all great (until they are traded or released), never a discouraging word, and heaven forbid any in-depth statistical analysis. Maybe job security encourages this approach, but the result is that they just become shills for the teams. The writing style is generally so weak and the information so thin (lots of quotes from manager X or player Y, though), that in most cases all you have to do is read the headline, skip the body of the text and go on to the box score. For the hardcore fan the information you seek is not to be found in the newspaper. Thank goodness for the internet.

]]> By: JML http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72238 JML Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:45:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72238 I had a visitor from out of town earlier this year. He went through the Freep sports section and read some articles. I don't even remember what the subject of the article was, but it was a Sharp piece. My buddy wrinkled his nose and asked, "Is this guy always such an IDIOT??" 'Nuff said. I had a visitor from out of town earlier this year. He went through the Freep sports section and read some articles. I don’t even remember what the subject of the article was, but it was a Sharp piece. My buddy wrinkled his nose and asked, “Is this guy always such an IDIOT??” ‘Nuff said.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72235 Andrew Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:16:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72235 Oops, that should read Mariano River<strong>a</strong> Oops, that should read Mariano Rivera

]]> By: Andrew http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72234 Andrew Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:15:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72234 Here's an equation for ya If Todd Jones > Mariano River, Then Drew Sharp = Pompous Windbag :) Here’s an equation for ya

If Todd Jones > Mariano River, Then Drew Sharp = Pompous Windbag

:)

]]> By: Vince in MN http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72232 Vince in MN Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:16:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/10/newsflash-rivera-is-better-than-jones/#comment-72232 Yeah, but once you factor in the HQ (Heart Quotient; Jones 1.7, Rivera 0.5) Roller Coaster has the obvious edge. Yeah, but once you factor in the HQ (Heart Quotient; Jones 1.7, Rivera 0.5) Roller Coaster has the obvious edge.

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