Comments on: The Bonderman Elbow Saga Takes a Positive Turn http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69644 T Smith Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:48:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69644 Jon: Let me guess.... Bonderman beat you out for the last spot on the high-school baseball team AND stole your girlfriend AND beat you up in the parking lot when you tried to defend your manhood, which compromised your esteem, growth, and lifecourse immeasurably. What was a promising and lucrative baseball career spiraled down to the assitant to the head-janitor position you now hold for the Pasco High School. Just think, if it wasn't for Bondo, ya coulda been a contender... Seriously though -- have you followed this guy at all as a Tiger? Yes, he's been dubious since the All Star break, yes he's stunk his last few starts. But that hardly justifies the scope of your comment. Jon:

Let me guess…. Bonderman beat you out for the last spot on the high-school baseball team AND stole your girlfriend AND beat you up in the parking lot when you tried to defend your manhood, which compromised your esteem, growth, and lifecourse immeasurably. What was a promising and lucrative baseball career spiraled down to the assitant to the head-janitor position you now hold for the Pasco High School. Just think, if it wasn’t for Bondo, ya coulda been a contender…

Seriously though — have you followed this guy at all as a Tiger? Yes, he’s been dubious since the All Star break, yes he’s stunk his last few starts. But that hardly justifies the scope of your comment.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69639 billfer Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:16:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69639 <blockquote>The only positive turn this story could have taken is if Bondo’s arm actually fell off.. He’s a bum and has been since he’s been with us..</blockquote> This might just be the worst comment this year.

The only positive turn this story could have taken is if Bondo’s arm actually fell off.. He’s a bum and has been since he’s been with us..

This might just be the worst comment this year.

]]> By: Jon http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69557 Jon Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:34:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69557 The only positive turn this story could have taken is if Bondo's arm actually fell off.. He's a bum and has been since he's been with us.. The only positive turn this story could have taken is if Bondo’s arm actually fell off.. He’s a bum and has been since he’s been with us..

]]> By: Coach Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69533 Coach Jim Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:11:05 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69533 Athletes play through little pains all the time. It's hard to know ahead of time which ones will have an adverse effect, and which will not. I think it's a little totalitarian to expect players to report every little thing - the overhead would be enormous. If we applied an over-caution philosophy to every situation, Curt Shilling would not have pitched that W.S. gem with the bloody sock. I will refrain from placing blame. Even through his struggles he had normal velocity and "sliderocity." I'm sure he felt he was physically able to perform his role. It's a shame Bondo is hurt, but we don't need to call for any heads on platters. Athletes play through little pains all the time. It’s hard to know ahead of time which ones will have an adverse effect, and which will not. I think it’s a little totalitarian to expect players to report every little thing – the overhead would be enormous. If we applied an over-caution philosophy to every situation, Curt Shilling would not have pitched that W.S. gem with the bloody sock.

I will refrain from placing blame. Even through his struggles he had normal velocity and “sliderocity.” I’m sure he felt he was physically able to perform his role.

It’s a shame Bondo is hurt, but we don’t need to call for any heads on platters.

]]> By: MSL http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69524 MSL Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:57:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69524 If Bondo didn't want to go out there with his arm hurting a little, would we want him? It's a fine line and takes experience to know how much is too much. Sometimes going out there is best for the team, sometimes sitting down is. If Bondo didn’t want to go out there with his arm hurting a little, would we want him? It’s a fine line and takes experience to know how much is too much. Sometimes going out there is best for the team, sometimes sitting down is.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69517 Mike R Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:30:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69517 I don't care who's coaching, Jeremy Bonderman is not disclosing how bad his arm hurts before what's turned out to probably be his last start of the year. And that's a fact. You give a kid who's extremely competitive a big contract and pay him to pitch and try to win games he's going to do just that -- through pain. That's why they're professional athletes -- their competitive drive is higher then most others coupled with immense talents. I don’t care who’s coaching, Jeremy Bonderman is not disclosing how bad his arm hurts before what’s turned out to probably be his last start of the year. And that’s a fact. You give a kid who’s extremely competitive a big contract and pay him to pitch and try to win games he’s going to do just that — through pain. That’s why they’re professional athletes — their competitive drive is higher then most others coupled with immense talents.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69352 Bill A \ Kal MI Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:55:03 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/the-bonderman-elbow-saga-takes-a-positive-turn/#comment-69352 <blockquote>Leyland said the organization will review the process by which players report health issues and how the team documents them. He has no problem with the way the medical staff handled it, he said, but he wants his players to be up-front and honest when they’re not feeling right. “If there’s a sign,” Leyland said, “we want to know about the first minor sign of anything.”</blockquote> I think this is a very interesting comment and one which deserves some careful study: it ( to me ) indicates an underlying problem -- one which some of us had expressed a concern for already -- and that being that the Tiger coaching my not be "in tune" -- if I can put it that way -- well enough with the players if Leyland is right in looking at this like he's saying I think there is a good chance we have picked up on something that can be improved and which could result in a surprising improvement in play I'm just a fan though, not a coach or manager, so this is just my fan comments,

Leyland said the organization will review the process by which players report health issues and how the team documents them. He has no problem with the way the medical staff handled it, he said, but he wants his players to be up-front and honest when they’re not feeling right.

“If there’s a sign,” Leyland said, “we want to know about the first minor sign of anything.”

I think this is a very interesting comment and one which deserves some careful study: it ( to me ) indicates an underlying problem — one which some of us had expressed a concern for already — and that being that the Tiger coaching my not be “in tune” — if I can put it that way — well enough with the players

if Leyland is right in looking at this like he’s saying I think there is a good chance we have picked up on something that can be improved and which could result in a surprising improvement in play

I’m just a fan though, not a coach or manager, so this is just my fan comments,

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