Comments on: Game 151: Tigers at Indians http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70333 T Smith Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:49:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70333 ***I blame the fact that Inge sucks so bad that Leyland even remotely thought about bunting for him*** Can't get much more succinct than that. That pretty much sums up the whole Inge/bunt debate. ***I blame the fact that Inge sucks so bad that Leyland even remotely thought about bunting for him***

Can’t get much more succinct than that. That pretty much sums up the whole Inge/bunt debate.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70332 Stephen Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:48:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70332 sorry: "can't get meaningful at-bats" sorry: “can’t get meaningful at-bats”

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70331 Stephen Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:46:53 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70331 Seriously, i think it's time to think of trading Inge by agreeing to swallow 2/3's of his contract. He can get meaningful at-bats on a contender. What makes this season so frustrating, is this team has talent. You don't get pissed when your team goes 75-87 and Bobby Higginson is the best player. You die a little when a talented team doesn't upgrade at trade deadline, has players regressing in at-bats, and your skipper manages by horoscope. Seriously, i think it’s time to think of trading Inge by agreeing to swallow 2/3′s of his contract. He can get meaningful at-bats on a contender.

What makes this season so frustrating, is this team has talent. You don’t get pissed when your team goes 75-87 and Bobby Higginson is the best player. You die a little when a talented team doesn’t upgrade at trade deadline, has players regressing in at-bats, and your skipper manages by horoscope.

]]> By: Mt. P Chris http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70330 Mt. P Chris Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:46:45 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70330 I couldn't agree more about Inge. I've said all along even last year that he is not dependable in the least. Last year was a freak year and he will never, never, again aproach those numbers. Take that to the bank. You can blame last night on him and not Leyland. If Inge executes the basics of the game the game is blown wide open. I still can't believe the contract given to him. Inge laughed all the way to the bank. I couldn’t agree more about Inge. I’ve said all along even last year that he is not dependable in the least. Last year was a freak year and he will never, never, again aproach those numbers. Take that to the bank. You can blame last night on him and not Leyland. If Inge executes the basics of the game the game is blown wide open. I still can’t believe the contract given to him. Inge laughed all the way to the bank.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70329 Stephen Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:36:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70329 I blame the fact that Inge sucks so bad that Leyland even remotely thought about bunting for him. The dude is crap. Batting .241. Career .242. Subtract his .203 year and his .287 year and guess what" You're still at about .245. He just blows. If he was even 20% better, we could afford to carry Santiago as a slick fielding .240 hitting shortstop. The only problem is the #9 position is held by our third baseman who we owe 18 MILLION DOLLARS. Where is an expansion draft when we need one? I blame the fact that Inge sucks so bad that Leyland even remotely thought about bunting for him.

The dude is crap. Batting .241. Career .242. Subtract his .203 year and his .287 year and guess what” You’re still at about .245.

He just blows. If he was even 20% better, we could afford to carry Santiago as a slick fielding .240 hitting shortstop. The only problem is the #9 position is held by our third baseman who we owe 18 MILLION DOLLARS.

Where is an expansion draft when we need one?

]]> By: William http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70324 William Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:32:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70324 Billfer makes a great point...it wasn't the bunt call or the hitter at the plate. It was giving a gift out--even in the best of circumstances--to a pitcher who was on the ropes and on fumes. We missed a golden opportunity to blow the game wide open and gather insurance runs...something that never hurts with our bullpen. I thought we'd end up with at least 2 more that inning. That game was a microcosm of the season...great in spots, but just enough bad execution to mean heartbreak in the end. Billfer makes a great point…it wasn’t the bunt call or the hitter at the plate. It was giving a gift out–even in the best of circumstances–to a pitcher who was on the ropes and on fumes. We missed a golden opportunity to blow the game wide open and gather insurance runs…something that never hurts with our bullpen. I thought we’d end up with at least 2 more that inning.

That game was a microcosm of the season…great in spots, but just enough bad execution to mean heartbreak in the end.

]]> By: Kurt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70323 Kurt Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:31:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70323 I do like your optimism, Ron, but honestly, in the end it's Illich's drive to win the big ring that has to matter and it sounds like he wants one pretty bad. Whether he reads the site or has people who do, I don't know, but he has to want it for himself and make it happen. You are quite correct about July and honest, and Jeff too. Honestly, and I disagreed with this at the time, but in retrospect, I'm not sure if a move by Dombrowski at the trade deadline would have made the difference to overcome things. Maybe it will be best he kept the tradeable players around for a better shot next year. Of course maybe we'll look back at this time next year and wish he made a trade this year. You just don't know. I do like your optimism, Ron, but honestly, in the end it’s Illich’s drive to win the big ring that has to matter and it sounds like he wants one pretty bad. Whether he reads the site or has people who do, I don’t know, but he has to want it for himself and make it happen.

You are quite correct about July and honest, and Jeff too.

Honestly, and I disagreed with this at the time, but in retrospect, I’m not sure if a move by Dombrowski at the trade deadline would have made the difference to overcome things. Maybe it will be best he kept the tradeable players around for a better shot next year. Of course maybe we’ll look back at this time next year and wish he made a trade this year. You just don’t know.

]]> By: Jeff M http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70322 Jeff M Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:25:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70322 <blockquote>Kurt,we are the best team in baseball and then there are the 29 others. </blockquote> We certainly have one of the most talented organizations right now, but we absolutely did not field the best team in baseball this year. Not even close. Throughout July and August we were scrambling to field a mediocre team. Injuries aren't an excuse, but they are a reason. You don't bitch and you do your best to overcome them, but at the end of the season, you have to realize that they were a large, uncontrollable factor.

Kurt,we are the best team in baseball and then there are the 29 others.

We certainly have one of the most talented organizations right now, but we absolutely did not field the best team in baseball this year. Not even close. Throughout July and August we were scrambling to field a mediocre team.

Injuries aren’t an excuse, but they are a reason. You don’t bitch and you do your best to overcome them, but at the end of the season, you have to realize that they were a large, uncontrollable factor.

]]> By: ron http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70321 ron Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:20:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70321 We didn't lose anything last nite. We lost everything in July and August. We didn’t lose anything last nite. We lost everything in July and August.

]]> By: ron http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70320 ron Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:05:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70320 Kurt,we are the best team in baseball and then there are the 29 others. We're just not going anywhere because our driver lost his map. I've never been dissatisfied with the Tiger's finish until last year. Very rarely have they had the horses to go all the way. I was hoping Illitch read this site and would listen to the voice of reason from some of us. Better yet ,I believe some of these posters actually work in the P.R. dept. for the Tigers. I thought maybe they could get the message to Mike. Kurt,we are the best team in baseball and then there are the 29 others. We’re just not going anywhere because our driver lost his map. I’ve never been dissatisfied with the Tiger’s finish until last year. Very rarely have they had the horses to go all the way. I was hoping Illitch read this site and would listen to the voice of reason from some of us. Better yet ,I believe some of these posters actually work in the P.R. dept. for the Tigers. I thought maybe they could get the message to Mike.

]]> By: Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70319 Jim Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:03:20 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70319 DD (taking chances on signing players) and Ilitch (putting the money to bring them here, along with going overslot in the drafts) are two of the reasons why this season and the last have even meant anything. It's not easy to build a dynasty friends, growing pains. Last year was just a fluke really. DD (taking chances on signing players) and Ilitch (putting the money to bring them here, along with going overslot in the drafts) are two of the reasons why this season and the last have even meant anything.

It’s not easy to build a dynasty friends, growing pains. Last year was just a fluke really.

]]> By: BaseballinDC http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70318 BaseballinDC Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:56:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70318 honrechuck, You slander Pudge, condemn Leyland, etc., but you let Dumbrowski off the hook? I mean, he's the guy who didn't think we needed help before the trade deadline. What if we had Lofton to fill in for an injured Sheffield for instance? I am not looking for scapegoats, but you're way of the mark. honrechuck,

You slander Pudge, condemn Leyland, etc., but you let Dumbrowski off the hook? I mean, he’s the guy who didn’t think we needed help before the trade deadline. What if we had Lofton to fill in for an injured Sheffield for instance?

I am not looking for scapegoats, but you’re way of the mark.

]]> By: BaseballinDC http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70317 BaseballinDC Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:51:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70317 "Crushed. Me, the team, the season, the postseason hopes. Crushed." That about says it all...see you all next spring. “Crushed. Me, the team, the season, the postseason hopes. Crushed.”

That about says it all…see you all next spring.

]]> By: Greg http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70316 Greg Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:48:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70316 billfer wrote: In the case of Inge, the infield corners were playing way in expecting a bunt, making it easier to get a ground ball through. Plus Byrd was looking quite hittable at the time and had thrown quite a few pitches that inning, from the stretch, under pressure. Leyland knew when he called the play that even if it was successful it would be a 1 pitch out - essentially giving Byrd a gift out. good points billfer wrote:

In the case of Inge, the infield corners were playing way in expecting a bunt, making it easier to get a ground ball through. Plus Byrd was looking quite hittable at the time and had thrown quite a few pitches that inning, from the stretch, under pressure. Leyland knew when he called the play that even if it was successful it would be a 1 pitch out – essentially giving Byrd a gift out.

good points

]]> By: Eric Jackson http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70315 Eric Jackson Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:31:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-151-tigers-at-indians/#comment-70315 Santiago lucked out there since he was standing on the plate when he bunted that. Santiago lucked out there since he was standing on the plate when he bunted that.

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