Comments on: Game 146: Rangers at Tigers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Ryan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69643 Ryan Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:42:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69643 Yeah... sorry. I think I turned Orlando Cabrera and Orlando Hudson into one person in my mind. THAT guy is a shortstop. And THAT guy is a six year vet on a 1 year deal, and therefore eligible for FA. Ummm... yeah. Not the first time I've done this. It took me five years to keep Chuck Finley and Steve Finley straight. I still think Steve Finley is a pitcher in the very back of my mind. Yeah… sorry. I think I turned Orlando Cabrera and Orlando Hudson into one person in my mind. THAT guy is a shortstop. And THAT guy is a six year vet on a 1 year deal, and therefore eligible for FA. Ummm… yeah. Not the first time I’ve done this. It took me five years to keep Chuck Finley and Steve Finley straight. I still think Steve Finley is a pitcher in the very back of my mind.

]]> By: Steve in Kzoo http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69569 Steve in Kzoo Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:30:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69569 Was just looking at MLBTR free agent list: If Cordero, Dotel, Gagne or Reyes are available I wouldnt mind any of those guys getting the job.....but need some things to be worked out. Besides that, there is no good 1B or SS FAs. So we are very limited in our picks and options.... Was just looking at MLBTR free agent list: If Cordero, Dotel, Gagne or Reyes are available I wouldnt mind any of those guys getting the job…..but need some things to be worked out. Besides that, there is no good 1B or SS FAs. So we are very limited in our picks and options….

]]> By: Steve in Kzoo http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69567 Steve in Kzoo Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:22:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69567 Crap that is right Hudson is a 2B hmmmm......oh well was a good shot anyways, do we dare try to go get Uribe or Vizquel. ouch thats not good........oh well can always dream to get a good SS so we can place the great Guillen at 1B Crap that is right Hudson is a 2B hmmmm……oh well was a good shot anyways, do we dare try to go get Uribe or Vizquel. ouch thats not good……..oh well can always dream to get a good SS so we can place the great Guillen at 1B

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69566 BobS. Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:03:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69566 I'm not sure that Hudson is a free agent this year.Where's that information coming from?Plus,he is and always has been a second baseman.What's the thinking here?Polanco to third and Inge to short?Polanco to SS? Mark,Nathan wouldn't add $10-12M to the budget.We simply let Jones walk(which he's pretty good at delivering from the mound)and pay the market price for one of the premier stoppers in MLB,which is added to the $4.8M that Jones is being overpaid for being a nice guy. I’m not sure that Hudson is a free agent this year.Where’s that information coming from?Plus,he is and always has been a second baseman.What’s the thinking here?Polanco to third and Inge to short?Polanco to SS?
Mark,Nathan wouldn’t add $10-12M to the budget.We simply let Jones walk(which he’s pretty good at delivering from the mound)and pay the market price for one of the premier stoppers in MLB,which is added to the $4.8M that Jones is being overpaid for being a nice guy.

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69565 BobS. Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:03:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69565 I'm not sure that Hudson is a free agent this year.Where's that information coming from?Plus,he is and always has been a second baseman.What's the thinking here?Polanco to third and Inge to short?Polanco to SS? Mark,Nathan wouldn't add $10-12M to the budget.We simply let Jones walk(which he's pretty good at delivering from the mound)and pay the market price for one of the premier stoppers in MLB,which is added to the $4.8 that Jones is being overpaid for being a nice guy. I’m not sure that Hudson is a free agent this year.Where’s that information coming from?Plus,he is and always has been a second baseman.What’s the thinking here?Polanco to third and Inge to short?Polanco to SS?
Mark,Nathan wouldn’t add $10-12M to the budget.We simply let Jones walk(which he’s pretty good at delivering from the mound)and pay the market price for one of the premier stoppers in MLB,which is added to the $4.8 that Jones is being overpaid for being a nice guy.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69564 Mark in Chicago Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:18:50 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69564 Rocky, I watched him pitch as well. I saw a routine fly out to center, a single, a broken bat bloop (this strongly implies Fernando made a good pitch but was unlucky), and a weak grounder to third. Nothing in there strikes me as indicative of a bad outing. He didn't walk a batter and didn't go deeper than a 2-ball count. Nobody hit the ball hard off him. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could explain how he was not sharp or provide an example of what "sharp" is. Strike out the side? That's definitely sharp, but not a reasonable expectation. Again, I maintain that Inge did not "save" Rodney or "get him outta that mess". Rodney induced a weak ground ball, surely you can give him SOME credit for that. Inge made the play, which was relatively routine. If Inge didn't make the play, is that somehow Rodney's fault? I didn't see a screaming line drive in the hole or a wicked grounder down the line, where it's a much tougher play for Inge. I saw a weak ground ball to third. Obviously I have no idea what would have happened if Inge hadn't made the play and I'm not really sure how that's relevant. Rocky,

I watched him pitch as well. I saw a routine fly out to center, a single, a broken bat bloop (this strongly implies Fernando made a good pitch but was unlucky), and a weak grounder to third. Nothing in there strikes me as indicative of a bad outing. He didn’t walk a batter and didn’t go deeper than a 2-ball count. Nobody hit the ball hard off him. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could explain how he was not sharp or provide an example of what “sharp” is. Strike out the side? That’s definitely sharp, but not a reasonable expectation.

Again, I maintain that Inge did not “save” Rodney or “get him outta that mess”. Rodney induced a weak ground ball, surely you can give him SOME credit for that. Inge made the play, which was relatively routine. If Inge didn’t make the play, is that somehow Rodney’s fault? I didn’t see a screaming line drive in the hole or a wicked grounder down the line, where it’s a much tougher play for Inge. I saw a weak ground ball to third.

Obviously I have no idea what would have happened if Inge hadn’t made the play and I’m not really sure how that’s relevant.

]]> By: Steve in Kzoo http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69563 Steve in Kzoo Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:47:38 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69563 Well unfortunately if we had to trade for a closer i'd have to deal some of our farm arms and Nate. For Renteria that would be hard maybe Jurrjens & Tata and a mid range prospect? Honestly I didn't know that Orlando Hudson was on the FA market that would be great. If we can sign him 5 yr/$60mil(bloated FA Market again geez), we send Guillen who looks absolutely great at first over to first Base. But I still have to go with my Rotation and Bullpen I set yesterday. Rotation 1. Rodgers 2. Verlander 3. Bonderman 4. Robertson-Affeldt, if Natey is traded 5. Jurrjens/Tata/Miner, if Natey is traded Bullpen Long Relief Grilli Miner Durbin Tata-if not a starter Middle Relief McBride Seay Rodney Zumaya Bazardo? De La Cruz? Fuentes/Valverde etc....(see below) Ideally, a trade is made for a CL and SP/LR - Tata/Vazquez/De La Cruz/Miner/Robertson for Valverde(AZ gots the Wickman), Fuentes(COL)/Affeldt(COL), Isringhausen(sp)(STL), or Cordero(not sure too much like Jonesy)(WSH), Saito??(LAD), Shields(LAA). That's my take and iI'll give Rodney one more year to reach his full potential. If he screws it up then he should be gone or at least traded. Well unfortunately if we had to trade for a closer i’d have to deal some of our farm arms and Nate. For Renteria that would be hard maybe Jurrjens & Tata and a mid range prospect? Honestly I didn’t know that Orlando Hudson was on the FA market that would be great. If we can sign him 5 yr/$60mil(bloated FA Market again geez), we send Guillen who looks absolutely great at first over to first Base. But I still have to go with my Rotation and Bullpen I set yesterday.

Rotation
1. Rodgers
2. Verlander
3. Bonderman
4. Robertson-Affeldt, if Natey is traded
5. Jurrjens/Tata/Miner, if Natey is traded

Bullpen
Long Relief

Grilli
Miner
Durbin
Tata-if not a starter

Middle Relief

McBride
Seay
Rodney
Zumaya
Bazardo?
De La Cruz?
Fuentes/Valverde etc….(see below)

Ideally, a trade is made for a CL and SP/LR – Tata/Vazquez/De La Cruz/Miner/Robertson for Valverde(AZ gots the Wickman), Fuentes(COL)/Affeldt(COL), Isringhausen(sp)(STL), or Cordero(not sure too much like Jonesy)(WSH), Saito??(LAD), Shields(LAA).

That’s my take and iI’ll give Rodney one more year to reach his full potential. If he screws it up then he should be gone or at least traded.

]]> By: Rocky http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69561 Rocky Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:41:07 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69561 Mark: I watched him pitch. he wasn't sharp and that's why them two guys got hits and got on what woulda happen after that if Inge didn't get him outta that mess? Mark: I watched him pitch. he wasn’t sharp and that’s why them two guys got hits and got on

what woulda happen after that if Inge didn’t get him outta that mess?

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69560 Mark in Chicago Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:30:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69560 For the record, Nathan is as good as it gets as a closer, and I would guess Minny will let him walk (or trade him) so they can re-sign Morneau and Mauer. It's obviously easier to replace a closer than either one of those guys. DD doesn't like to trade within the division, and you can bet that Terry Ryan would make it expensive to do so should the Tigers inquire about Nathan. If he hits the free agent market, you could see a lot of teams (Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies, possibly the Yankees depending on what happens with Mariano) lining up to bid on him. Hopefully DD would not spend $10-12 million per for a closer when that money could be better used elsewhere. As such, I think it's a longshot that we get Nathan, although I'd love to see it happen. For the record, Nathan is as good as it gets as a closer, and I would guess Minny will let him walk (or trade him) so they can re-sign Morneau and Mauer. It’s obviously easier to replace a closer than either one of those guys.

DD doesn’t like to trade within the division, and you can bet that Terry Ryan would make it expensive to do so should the Tigers inquire about Nathan. If he hits the free agent market, you could see a lot of teams (Cubs, Cardinals, Phillies, possibly the Yankees depending on what happens with Mariano) lining up to bid on him. Hopefully DD would not spend $10-12 million per for a closer when that money could be better used elsewhere.

As such, I think it’s a longshot that we get Nathan, although I’d love to see it happen.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69559 Mark in Chicago Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:13:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69559 Rocky, Rodney threw 14 pitches, 10 strikes. That's pretty sharp. Also, I don't get how Inge "saved" Rodney by fielding a weak ground ball and making the play. I would point out Inge had to charge the ball to make the play, as he almost overran the base when he picked it up. Rodney was pitching inside effectively, and caught a bad break on the second base hit (hey, it happens). I just don't see how you can tell me that's not a good outing. More to the point, picking on Rodney for one outing where he "wasn't sharp" dismisses how good he's been since coming off the DL. Rocky,

Rodney threw 14 pitches, 10 strikes. That’s pretty sharp. Also, I don’t get how Inge “saved” Rodney by fielding a weak ground ball and making the play. I would point out Inge had to charge the ball to make the play, as he almost overran the base when he picked it up. Rodney was pitching inside effectively, and caught a bad break on the second base hit (hey, it happens).

I just don’t see how you can tell me that’s not a good outing. More to the point, picking on Rodney for one outing where he “wasn’t sharp” dismisses how good he’s been since coming off the DL.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal.MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69558 Bill A \ Kal.MI Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:10:37 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69558 Kathy-- I ain't no baseball analyst -- just a fan but I can't help but notice it gets tougher and tougher to get the starter through 7... maybe even through 5 and so we are kinda drifting into the rotation pattern already but with series of 1 inning guys comming on to clean up the game Coach Jim: interesting that they already tried that rotation wonder what happened with it Kathy– I ain’t no baseball analyst — just a fan

but I can’t help but notice it gets tougher and tougher to get the starter through 7… maybe even through 5 and so we are kinda drifting into the rotation pattern already but with series of 1 inning guys comming on to clean up the game

Coach Jim: interesting that they already tried that rotation wonder what happened with it

]]> By: Rocky http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69556 Rocky Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:34:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69556 Mark, the guy had 2 on and 1 out. he wasn't looking sharp at all. Inge saved him with that double play no doubt Mark, the guy had 2 on and 1 out. he wasn’t looking sharp at all. Inge saved him with that double play no doubt

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69553 Bill A \ Kal MI Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:52:48 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69553 thanks for the comments everyone -- I'm just a fan I ain't no baseball analyst so what do I know? not much. oh well, I have fun chatting on the blog and yeah, mark: FR had 2 on and 1 out and wasn't lookn' sharp. Inge saved his hide with that double play thanks for the comments everyone — I’m just a fan I ain’t no baseball analyst so what do I know? not much.

oh well, I have fun chatting on the blog

and yeah, mark: FR had 2 on and 1 out and wasn’t lookn’ sharp.

Inge saved his hide with that double play

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69552 BobS. Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:44:39 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69552 Bill A,I agree that Zumaya has the POTENTIAL to be a future closer,but given his control issues I think he would benefit by learning to pitch in a set-up role.You're absolutely correct that a free pass to the potential tying or winning run is one of the cardinal sins of baseball,something that both Zumaya and Jones are too frequently guilty of. In 55.3 IP Jones($4.8M)has 28K/21BB/1.46WHIP/.271BAA. In 63.3 IP Nathan($5.3M)has 65K/12BB/0.95WHIP/.211BAA. A closer like Nathan has half his work done before taking the mound with the other bench knowing the nearly impossible uphill battle facing them and essentially makes it an 8 inning game.A closer like Jones is an entertaining correspondent for The Sporting News. Bill A,I agree that Zumaya has the POTENTIAL to be a future closer,but given his control issues I think he would benefit by learning to pitch in a set-up role.You’re absolutely correct that a free pass to the potential tying or winning run is one of the cardinal sins of baseball,something that both Zumaya and Jones are too frequently guilty of.
In 55.3 IP Jones($4.8M)has 28K/21BB/1.46WHIP/.271BAA.
In 63.3 IP Nathan($5.3M)has 65K/12BB/0.95WHIP/.211BAA.
A closer like Nathan has half his work done before taking the mound with the other bench knowing the nearly impossible uphill battle facing them and essentially makes it an 8 inning game.A closer like Jones is an entertaining correspondent for The Sporting News.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69551 Bill A \ Kal MI Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:27:15 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/09/game-146-rangers-at-tigers-2/#comment-69551 Mark-- he gave up 2 singles and didn't look all that good Inge saved him with a great throw cuz yer right that wall wasn't hit all that hard Mark– he gave up 2 singles and didn’t look all that good

Inge saved him with a great throw cuz yer right that wall wasn’t hit all that hard

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