How does your son know that there isn’t anything wrong with Bondo’s arm?

Agreed, consider the whole picture, that is precisely my point. I was having a tough time with your statement (and MSL, who made the original statement) because you were both calling for Hernandez to “be replaced, if he can’t do the job”. My point was, he CAN do the job, and if we consider the whole body of his work, I don’t see a compelling reason to replace him.

So for you to agree with MSL to replace him, and then defend him by saying he did a good job with some other guys doesn’t make sense to me. If he can do the job, why would we replace him?

Again I would ask the question: who gets his job?

From what I understand coaches absolutely rely on a pitcher giving an honest assessment of his health in order to troubleshoot evident problems. I mean if the kid is telling Chuck that he’s fine, what else does Chuck have to go on? He’s working under the assumption that Jeremy is telling him the truth and that the problem must lie somewhere else, so they focus on mechanics or psychology.

did ya ever raise any kids? was ya ever a sergeant in the Army? Ya gotta know yer troops/kids/players and get them to put their confidence in you

now I don’t know if all that’s goin’ on or not but I do find it interest’n I ain’t the only one pok’n under this rock

It sounds as though you too are on one hand condemning Hernandez for the struggles of the pitching staff, in particular the bullpen, and then applauding his efforts with respect to Durbin, Seay, and Miner. I am having a tough time understanding this viewpoint.

why?

it ain’t fair to only look for the bad or the good in something or anyone. like as not there is a mix

ya gotta pick out the positives and build on those as well as working on areas for improvement

sorta stuff coaches should be good at

Related to this, everyone, if you did not see it last night be sure to catch the interview with Justin Verlander called “In His Own Words” probably repeating several times on FSN.

That being said, he should certainly know better than to risk a more serious injury by continuing to throw while hurt. I think cib nailed it yesterday when she made reference to Bonderman’s bean maybe not being the brightest bean around.

As for the coaching staff bearing any responsibility for this, I’m not really sure of the protocol. From what I understand coaches absolutely rely on a pitcher giving an honest assessment of his health in order to troubleshoot evident problems. I mean if the kid is telling Chuck that he’s fine, what else does Chuck have to go on? He’s working under the assumption that Jeremy is telling him the truth and that the problem must lie somewhere else, so they focus on mechanics or psychology.

Maybe Coach Jim can add something to this. Coach? Do you think a pitching coach or manager should be able to recognize an injury suffered by one of his pitchers based on control issues during games and bullpen sessions?

It sounds as though you too are on one hand condemming Hernandez for the struggles of the pitching staff, in particular the bullpen, and then applauding his efforts with respect to Durbin, Seay, and Miner. I am having a tough time understanding this viewpoint.

And I’m not really sure what Hernandez can do to overcome injuries. Make Rogers not be injured any more? Make him recover quicker? CH is playing with the hand he’s dealt, and he can’t “coach” our replacement-level guys to win 15 games or post a sub-1.20 WHIP. The talent level isn’t there.

I am not saying Hernandez has no role in all this, there very well could have been adjustments that could have been made. I am saying it’s not right to blame him entirely when we’ve stripped the pitching staff of 3 (and now 4) major contributors for large parts of the season.

The pitching staff was excellent for the bulk of last year. Was it because Hernandez just let them be and didn’t coach? Hardly, he was in there working, just as he is now. Difference is, the overall talent level was better last year, because of the relative health of the staff.

Furthermore, let’s propose we replace Chuck Hernandez. With whom do you suggest we replace him with?

but at the same time I think I have observed a pretty solid improvement in the middle relief– Durbin, Miner, and Seay in particular

now it’s looking like Durbin is gonna have to take a starting spot probably at least for the rest of this year and it’s a good thing we have him to do that. we are gonna need him

Vasquez had some promise at least I though he did, last night, and a couple other times. I’m hoping Jar is OK

It was a tough August

but in my view anyway, I think the Tigers are tougher for having gone through that

Zoom– I’m looking for him to become a real lights-out shut-down guy, particularly if he keeps working on that wicked curve I seen him throw last time he was up. that was some cool stuff

FR — can be good — but he ain’t always, and it leaves us to wonder why. again, that’s a job for coaching to solve

like Maybin last night: why was he standing there and letting that fly ball drop in front of him? with the speed he has he sshould be able to charge that ball and put it away like Grandy does for us, and Maggs too.

ya gotta wanna win if ya wanna be a winner. legendary coaches like Vince Lombardi know this and instill it into their players

I ain’t tryin’ to do nothin’ here ‘cept throw a little somethin’ on the table to chew on