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	<title>Comments on: Sheffield DL&#8217;d &#8211; Chis Shelton still a Hen</title>
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		<title>By: Thinking Man</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/sheffield-dld-chis-shelton-still-a-hen/#comment-67189</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinking Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for having my back, Rings. Heck, I like Brandon Inge, too. I wish he would hit more. But you can have only so many blackholes in a lineup before it kills you. That&#039;s why the loss of Sheffield is so bad, because we do have other holes.

The Tigers have major decisions to make in the off-season:
1. Move Guillen to 1B and go after a shortstop?
2. Keep Guillen at SS and go after a 1B?
3. Renew Pudge&#039;s option?
4. Who gets the majority of ABs in LF .... is Maybin really ready?
5. What to do about 3B?

My own preference would be to shift Carlos to 1B and get a new 3B. I&#039;d be fine with Santiago at SS if we could get a stud for 3B. Santiago is leaps and bounds better than Guillen defensively. Personally, I&#039;d rather invest the $$$ in 3B (can you say A-Rod?) than getting an over-priced slug like Jack Wilson.

How about this lineup:
Granderson LF
Polanco 2B
A-Rod 3B
Maggs RF
Sheffield DH
Guillen 1B
Pudge C
Maybin CF
Santiago SS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for having my back, Rings. Heck, I like Brandon Inge, too. I wish he would hit more. But you can have only so many blackholes in a lineup before it kills you. That&#8217;s why the loss of Sheffield is so bad, because we do have other holes.</p>
<p>The Tigers have major decisions to make in the off-season:<br />
1. Move Guillen to 1B and go after a shortstop?<br />
2. Keep Guillen at SS and go after a 1B?<br />
3. Renew Pudge&#8217;s option?<br />
4. Who gets the majority of ABs in LF &#8230;. is Maybin really ready?<br />
5. What to do about 3B?</p>
<p>My own preference would be to shift Carlos to 1B and get a new 3B. I&#8217;d be fine with Santiago at SS if we could get a stud for 3B. Santiago is leaps and bounds better than Guillen defensively. Personally, I&#8217;d rather invest the $$$ in 3B (can you say A-Rod?) than getting an over-priced slug like Jack Wilson.</p>
<p>How about this lineup:<br />
Granderson LF<br />
Polanco 2B<br />
A-Rod 3B<br />
Maggs RF<br />
Sheffield DH<br />
Guillen 1B<br />
Pudge C<br />
Maybin CF<br />
Santiago SS</p>
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		<title>By: Rings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - one must assume that you&#039;re being sarcastic.

&quot;there is more to the game than just hitting the ball&quot;...well, there&#039;s throwing the ball, catching the ball, bouncing the ball, rolling the ball, etc.

But in 138 years of professional baseball, a few trends have emerged: 
* pitching is the most important factor in building a team; hitting is not important for a pitcher, particularly in the AL.
* defense is normally a priority and most important &quot;up the middle&quot;: SS, 2B, CF, C, although a player must be capable of both within certain boundaries
* offense is a priority in the corners; although a player must be capable of both within certain boundaries

Just because you love Brandon Inge doesn&#039;t mean that the Tigers can sacrifice offensive production forever from 1B and 3B. By your rationale, we&#039;d have a team composed of Neifi Perez&#039; at all positions. A MLB player can - and must - do both to some degree. 

Stated another way: just imagine where this team would be without the season-long offense of Maggs, Polanco (who remains errorless, by the way and playing a more demanding defensive position) &amp; Guillen (despite his suspect defense). 

Yes, &quot;defense wins championships&quot; in most sports, but in baseball, &quot;pitching wins championships&quot; and you have to score to win anything.

The minor leagues are filled with &quot;good field/no hit&quot; players, but there&#039;s plenty of good hitters who find a spot somewhere on an MLB roster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill &#8211; one must assume that you&#8217;re being sarcastic.</p>
<p>&#8220;there is more to the game than just hitting the ball&#8221;&#8230;well, there&#8217;s throwing the ball, catching the ball, bouncing the ball, rolling the ball, etc.</p>
<p>But in 138 years of professional baseball, a few trends have emerged:<br />
* pitching is the most important factor in building a team; hitting is not important for a pitcher, particularly in the AL.<br />
* defense is normally a priority and most important &#8220;up the middle&#8221;: SS, 2B, CF, C, although a player must be capable of both within certain boundaries<br />
* offense is a priority in the corners; although a player must be capable of both within certain boundaries</p>
<p>Just because you love Brandon Inge doesn&#8217;t mean that the Tigers can sacrifice offensive production forever from 1B and 3B. By your rationale, we&#8217;d have a team composed of Neifi Perez&#8217; at all positions. A MLB player can &#8211; and must &#8211; do both to some degree. </p>
<p>Stated another way: just imagine where this team would be without the season-long offense of Maggs, Polanco (who remains errorless, by the way and playing a more demanding defensive position) &amp; Guillen (despite his suspect defense). </p>
<p>Yes, &#8220;defense wins championships&#8221; in most sports, but in baseball, &#8220;pitching wins championships&#8221; and you have to score to win anything.</p>
<p>The minor leagues are filled with &#8220;good field/no hit&#8221; players, but there&#8217;s plenty of good hitters who find a spot somewhere on an MLB roster.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill A \ Kal MI</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/sheffield-dld-chis-shelton-still-a-hen/#comment-66786</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill A \ Kal MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this from the Det New site:

&lt;blockquote&gt;That&#039;s the issue with the Tigers heading into September. The intensity is there. The personnel might not be.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

this is ultimate challenge for the best manager: to maintain enthusiasm when yer hurt

doing it is the true mark of a survivor and a winner

and ya can do it

Leyland can move folks around, here and there but most especially ya gotta maintain that enthuisiasm that Grandy and Pudge are so good at, especially Grandy.  Casey too.

Santiago has looked great at SS.  Guillen can be 1b or DH.  There&#039;s a lot of stuff that can work.  I still like Thames in left.

but all of this is Jim&#039;s job.  My job is to watch the game and make a few commets here and there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this from the Det New site:</p>
<blockquote><p>That&#8217;s the issue with the Tigers heading into September. The intensity is there. The personnel might not be.</p></blockquote>
<p>this is ultimate challenge for the best manager: to maintain enthusiasm when yer hurt</p>
<p>doing it is the true mark of a survivor and a winner</p>
<p>and ya can do it</p>
<p>Leyland can move folks around, here and there but most especially ya gotta maintain that enthuisiasm that Grandy and Pudge are so good at, especially Grandy.  Casey too.</p>
<p>Santiago has looked great at SS.  Guillen can be 1b or DH.  There&#8217;s a lot of stuff that can work.  I still like Thames in left.</p>
<p>but all of this is Jim&#8217;s job.  My job is to watch the game and make a few commets here and there</p>
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		<title>By: Bill A \ Kal MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill A \ Kal MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Tigers must get more production from the corners next season.&quot;

perduction

is that all you guys think about 

there is more to the game than just hitting the ball</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Tigers must get more production from the corners next season.&#8221;</p>
<p>perduction</p>
<p>is that all you guys think about </p>
<p>there is more to the game than just hitting the ball</p>
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		<title>By: Coach Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll take Rafael Perez from Cleveland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll take Rafael Perez from Cleveland.</p>
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		<title>By: tiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more Perez&#039;s on the team, would be a good rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more Perez&#8217;s on the team, would be a good rule.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelton hasn&#039;t torn it up at Toledo this year, but I&#039;m 100 percent sure he would have more than 3 home runs and 40-something RBI if he were the Tigers&#039; regular first baseman. The Tigers must get more production from the corners next season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelton hasn&#8217;t torn it up at Toledo this year, but I&#8217;m 100 percent sure he would have more than 3 home runs and 40-something RBI if he were the Tigers&#8217; regular first baseman. The Tigers must get more production from the corners next season.</p>
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		<title>By: Rings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 03:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always liked Shelton and have been an advocate of both him and Thames for the past two years. I think he&#039;s had to battle his frustration this year, as much as anything, and its cost him his concentration, particularly early this year. 

He hit .400 in ST, only to watch Neifi make the team. He watched Casey hit under the Mendoza line for 6 weeks and still received no second shot.

It&#039;s not an excuse, but I think it has been his reality after seeing his &quot;dream&quot; crushed last year after losing his stroke and confidence. Still, he was respectable overall, hitting .273 on the year.
He&#039;s been a good egg and better-than-expected defensively, so I hope they don&#039;t totally give up on him and give him a real shot to compete going forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always liked Shelton and have been an advocate of both him and Thames for the past two years. I think he&#8217;s had to battle his frustration this year, as much as anything, and its cost him his concentration, particularly early this year. </p>
<p>He hit .400 in ST, only to watch Neifi make the team. He watched Casey hit under the Mendoza line for 6 weeks and still received no second shot.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an excuse, but I think it has been his reality after seeing his &#8220;dream&#8221; crushed last year after losing his stroke and confidence. Still, he was respectable overall, hitting .273 on the year.<br />
He&#8217;s been a good egg and better-than-expected defensively, so I hope they don&#8217;t totally give up on him and give him a real shot to compete going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/sheffield-dld-chis-shelton-still-a-hen/#comment-66610</link>
		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, who would you prefer from Toledo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, who would you prefer from Toledo?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t care what Timo Perez has done in Triple-A this year. He&#039;s a Quad-A player AT BEST. if you don&#039;t want to bring up Shelton, that&#039;s fine, but Timo Perez helps the club in no way whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care what Timo Perez has done in Triple-A this year. He&#8217;s a Quad-A player AT BEST. if you don&#8217;t want to bring up Shelton, that&#8217;s fine, but Timo Perez helps the club in no way whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: Vince in MN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vince in MN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 23:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose there is such a thing as rewarding the player who has had the better year. Clearly this is Perez over Shelton. The only area where Shelton has it over Perez is in BB. But he still strikes out once a game (133 times in 528 PA as compared to 47 in 524 for Perez). Here is the Mud Hens stat page if yu care to make the comparison:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/external/brandedstats/t512.html?cid=512&amp;t=t_ibp

Aside from that, as Mat said, Perez bats LH and doesn&#039;t play 1B. If you want a RH batting 1B, Thames is your man, not Shelton. 

I don&#039;t know if this means they have given up on Shelton, but clearly he didn&#039;t improve over last season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose there is such a thing as rewarding the player who has had the better year. Clearly this is Perez over Shelton. The only area where Shelton has it over Perez is in BB. But he still strikes out once a game (133 times in 528 PA as compared to 47 in 524 for Perez). Here is the Mud Hens stat page if yu care to make the comparison:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/external/brandedstats/t512.html?cid=512&amp;t=t_ibp" rel="nofollow">http://www.minorleaguebaseball.....mp;t=t_ibp</a></p>
<p>Aside from that, as Mat said, Perez bats LH and doesn&#8217;t play 1B. If you want a RH batting 1B, Thames is your man, not Shelton. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this means they have given up on Shelton, but clearly he didn&#8217;t improve over last season.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other news, Hannahan is hitting .268/.375/.512 with Oakland in 41 ABs.

What are the odds he is hitting better than Inge at the end of the year?

If anyone wants to donate me some money I&#039;ll offer you even odds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other news, Hannahan is hitting .268/.375/.512 with Oakland in 41 ABs.</p>
<p>What are the odds he is hitting better than Inge at the end of the year?</p>
<p>If anyone wants to donate me some money I&#8217;ll offer you even odds.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we have all heard about injury inviting opportunity for someone else...on top of that casey has not been anywhere near lights out this year although he did hit well for a spell...shelton just didn&#039;t get it done at triple a...no one to blame but himself really. 

aside from that...another blow to post season chances although our sched is favorable to the indians. fingers crossed here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we have all heard about injury inviting opportunity for someone else&#8230;on top of that casey has not been anywhere near lights out this year although he did hit well for a spell&#8230;shelton just didn&#8217;t get it done at triple a&#8230;no one to blame but himself really. </p>
<p>aside from that&#8230;another blow to post season chances although our sched is favorable to the indians. fingers crossed here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timo Perez?  I can&#039;t believe it.  He has a terrible arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timo Perez?  I can&#8217;t believe it.  He has a terrible arm.</p>
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		<title>By: Mat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Shelton in general (at least relative to others), but in this case it makes a little more sense to go with Perez even though he stinks.  As you said, Raburn/Thames/Maybin should be playing ahead of Timo anyway.  Given that, if you want a bench player and situational sub, the left-hander who can play something in the field besides 1B gives you a lot more options.  Especially since Guillen, Thames, and Casey can all handle 1B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Shelton in general (at least relative to others), but in this case it makes a little more sense to go with Perez even though he stinks.  As you said, Raburn/Thames/Maybin should be playing ahead of Timo anyway.  Given that, if you want a bench player and situational sub, the left-hander who can play something in the field besides 1B gives you a lot more options.  Especially since Guillen, Thames, and Casey can all handle 1B.</p>
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