Comments on: Mike Rabelo – the anti-save http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Detroit Tigers Weblog 2007 Year in Review http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-75368 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Detroit Tigers Weblog 2007 Year in Review Mon, 31 Dec 2007 04:20:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-75368 [...] Mike Rableo - the anti-save [...] [...] Mike Rableo – the anti-save [...]

]]> By: The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Crushed in Oakland http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-68115 The Detroit Tiger Weblog » Blog Archive » Crushed in Oakland Mon, 03 Sep 2007 01:59:06 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-68115 [...] As for the lack of urgency, how about Jim Leyland turning to his big 3 relievers for the last 3 innings despite having a 5 run lead. He wanted this game, and he managed it with a sense of urgency. He even brought in Pudge and interrupted what would have been 2 full days off because of the issues when Rabelo catches Jones. [...] [...] As for the lack of urgency, how about Jim Leyland turning to his big 3 relievers for the last 3 innings despite having a 5 run lead. He wanted this game, and he managed it with a sense of urgency. He even brought in Pudge and interrupted what would have been 2 full days off because of the issues when Rabelo catches Jones. [...]

]]> By: Ryan http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62290 Ryan Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:11:32 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62290 Wow... nice, nice post. I never really noticed that. By the way, Jones has a pretty good OPS against with Inge catching. I'm just saying. Wow… nice, nice post. I never really noticed that. By the way, Jones has a pretty good OPS against with Inge catching. I’m just saying.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62275 Bill A \ Kal MI Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:02:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62275 Pudge is all-star level player and I think he's one of the best. and we have a lot of players that are some of the best just like Pudge Now Mike ain't quite there yet, yeah, I agree but guess what: we gotta have a backup catcher to play here and there. ya all know that Pudge is all-star level player and I think he’s one of the best. and we have a lot of players that are some of the best just like Pudge

Now Mike ain’t quite there yet, yeah, I agree but guess what: we gotta have a backup catcher to play here and there. ya all know that

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62274 T Smith Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:56:57 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62274 Mike R: To test your theory, run Pudge's low caught stealing stats with Verlander. If they're up considerably, I think you're on to something. Mike R:

To test your theory, run Pudge’s low caught stealing stats with Verlander. If they’re up considerably, I think you’re on to something.

]]> By: Kevin in Austin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62266 Kevin in Austin Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:23:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62266 The Cle/Tex and NYY/Chi games have gone from good to bad to awful in no time. The Cle/Tex and NYY/Chi games have gone from good to bad to awful in no time.

]]> By: Kevin in Austin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62265 Kevin in Austin Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:58:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62265 I had posted that a while back. I think in '04 the low caught stealing was a result of the type of runners that ran on him - only the best would even try (thus the 29% caught is not really an effective measure, a better # would be YoY stolen base attempts). Check out the total # of bases stolen off of him in '04, he's about to pass that with 1/3 of the season left. Just from observing him this year I think he's lost something on his throw, his snaps to 1B are a bit slow, and he's allowed more PBs (and WPs) than in recent memory. I'd consider moving him to the field, but his OPS has been borderline average for the last three years, and I don't see it getting any better anytime soon. His ability to handle the staff definitely warrants his place as a starter for the remainder of the year, but we really need to move him down to 8 or 9 in the lineup and get Rabelo up to speed on calling games. I had posted that a while back. I think in ’04 the low caught stealing was a result of the type of runners that ran on him – only the best would even try (thus the 29% caught is not really an effective measure, a better # would be YoY stolen base attempts). Check out the total # of bases stolen off of him in ’04, he’s about to pass that with 1/3 of the season left.

Just from observing him this year I think he’s lost something on his throw, his snaps to 1B are a bit slow, and he’s allowed more PBs (and WPs) than in recent memory. I’d consider moving him to the field, but his OPS has been borderline average for the last three years, and I don’t see it getting any better anytime soon. His ability to handle the staff definitely warrants his place as a starter for the remainder of the year, but we really need to move him down to 8 or 9 in the lineup and get Rabelo up to speed on calling games.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62262 Mike R Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:34:11 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62262 Also, whoever said Pudge's arm is gone I disagree with. Is it what it was when he was 25? No. Is it still above average? Absolutely. The low caught stealing total isn't unprecedented for him. In 2004 he posted a 29.0% caught stealing and then in 05 and 06 went on to have a 44.0% and 46.0%. Part of it is Bonderman being slow to the plate, Miller has a long delivery, Chad Durbin wasn't exactly quick to the plate either when he was starting and everything Nate Robertson throws doesn't reach Pudge's glove. Also, whoever said Pudge’s arm is gone I disagree with. Is it what it was when he was 25? No. Is it still above average? Absolutely. The low caught stealing total isn’t unprecedented for him. In 2004 he posted a 29.0% caught stealing and then in 05 and 06 went on to have a 44.0% and 46.0%.

Part of it is Bonderman being slow to the plate, Miller has a long delivery, Chad Durbin wasn’t exactly quick to the plate either when he was starting and everything Nate Robertson throws doesn’t reach Pudge’s glove.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62261 Mike R Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:29:46 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62261 Thinking Man: Greg Maddux has always had a personal catcher, usually the back up, was he too old and experienced to need this? I'd say it worked out for him. Thinking Man: Greg Maddux has always had a personal catcher, usually the back up, was he too old and experienced to need this? I’d say it worked out for him.

]]> By: Walewander http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62257 Walewander Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:52:58 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62257 Outstanding work. This is certainly a new one on me... Outstanding work. This is certainly a new one on me…

]]> By: colin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62256 colin Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:51:22 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62256 It could be worse...I'm in Chicago right now where fans are drinking the "clubhouse/pitching staff leader" and "We already have enough bats in our lineup, we don't need one more" Kool-Aid to justify purchasing Jason Kendall's animated corpse. At least Rabelo's cheap and remembered to pack his bat on the drive up from Toledo. It could be worse…I’m in Chicago right now where fans are drinking the “clubhouse/pitching staff leader” and “We already have enough bats in our lineup, we don’t need one more” Kool-Aid to justify purchasing Jason Kendall’s animated corpse. At least Rabelo’s cheap and remembered to pack his bat on the drive up from Toledo.

]]> By: Thinking Man http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62255 Thinking Man Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:28:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62255 Bill, If your theory is correct, I think it's more and indictment of Jones than Rabelo. At his age and level of experience, he should be above needing a designated catcher. Jones knows how to pitch, and should know the batters well enough to know what to throw in a particular situation. If Rabelo isn't flashing the right sign, shake him off until you get what you want. It's understandable why a young pitcher would benefit from an experienced catcher like Pudge. But Jones? Come on! My own opinion is that Jones forgets at times that he can't overpower hitters with his stuff. He has to pitch to be effective and his location has to be very good, which it often isn't. You throw a 90 mph fastball without much movement over the plate to a Major League hitter and you're probably going to get hurt. Bill,

If your theory is correct, I think it’s more and indictment of Jones than Rabelo. At his age and level of experience, he should be above needing a designated catcher. Jones knows how to pitch, and should know the batters well enough to know what to throw in a particular situation. If Rabelo isn’t flashing the right sign, shake him off until you get what you want. It’s understandable why a young pitcher would benefit from an experienced catcher like Pudge. But Jones? Come on!

My own opinion is that Jones forgets at times that he can’t overpower hitters with his stuff. He has to pitch to be effective and his location has to be very good, which it often isn’t. You throw a 90 mph fastball without much movement over the plate to a Major League hitter and you’re probably going to get hurt.

]]> By: Jesse http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62254 Jesse Thu, 02 Aug 2007 16:10:23 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62254 I've been wanting to see a post like this anywhere. I hadn't picked up on the Jones/Rabelo singularity, but I've had the impression all season that there're some trust issues betweeen Rabelo and our pitching staff. I feel like I've seen substantially more crossed signals and generally poorer performance, but never had the stats to back it up. I don't have any major issues with Rabelo on the whole and I think he still could be a decent catcher, but there seems to be something going on that needs adressing. I’ve been wanting to see a post like this anywhere. I hadn’t picked up on the Jones/Rabelo singularity, but I’ve had the impression all season that there’re some trust issues betweeen Rabelo and our pitching staff. I feel like I’ve seen substantially more crossed signals and generally poorer performance, but never had the stats to back it up. I don’t have any major issues with Rabelo on the whole and I think he still could be a decent catcher, but there seems to be something going on that needs adressing.

]]> By: Sam http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62236 Sam Thu, 02 Aug 2007 13:30:40 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62236 Good Catch Billfer ;-) -Sam Good Catch Billfer ;-)

-Sam

]]> By: Kyle J http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62233 Kyle J Thu, 02 Aug 2007 12:35:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/mike-rabelo-the-anti-save/#comment-62233 Interesting catch. This is the kind of thing that makes you wonder what the beat reporters do with their time--when a blogger can find it w/o being there every day. Interesting catch. This is the kind of thing that makes you wonder what the beat reporters do with their time–when a blogger can find it w/o being there every day.

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