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	<title>Comments on: Game 133:  Tigers at Royals</title>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-133-tigers-at-royals/#comment-67492</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would take A-Rod in a heartbeat.  I hate him, but it turns out he's very good at the game of baseball.  One of the best of all-time, really.  I would be VERY surprised if we landed him, however.  Dombrowski has repeatedly made the point in the past that no single player should take up more than about 15% of the payroll, and Maggs is right at that limit, give or take.  I think DD will find some creative ways to improve the team, but I highly doubt it will involve A-Rod.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would take A-Rod in a heartbeat.  I hate him, but it turns out he&#8217;s very good at the game of baseball.  One of the best of all-time, really.  I would be VERY surprised if we landed him, however.  Dombrowski has repeatedly made the point in the past that no single player should take up more than about 15% of the payroll, and Maggs is right at that limit, give or take.  I think DD will find some creative ways to improve the team, but I highly doubt it will involve A-Rod.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did Leyland pull the infield in?  It's the 4th inning, and the KC guy isn't exactly dominating.  That ground ball should have been an out, and now Bondo has to work that much harder.

Sigh.  Overmanaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did Leyland pull the infield in?  It&#8217;s the 4th inning, and the KC guy isn&#8217;t exactly dominating.  That ground ball should have been an out, and now Bondo has to work that much harder.</p>
<p>Sigh.  Overmanaging.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 19:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm actually perplexed that anyone would be 'shocked' if they signed AROD.  As for me, ...it may or may not happen, but I wouldn't even be slightly surprised if he was signed.   As far as 'opting out', it all depends on how sweet the deal is,  the sources I've heard say he'll likely make more if he opts out, now, they could all be wrong, but I'm hearing this from multiple sources, time will tell.  Obviously, he has to opt out or the discussion is moot.

As far as the cost, its all relative to the Return on Investment.  I don't think that paying 3 mediocre players  30 mil a year is any better than paying one of the greatest hitters of all time 30 mil.  If you look at the projected marginal increase in revenue the Tigers would get as a result of AROD's offensive production.  They'd make money.   And if you really must, don't sign Pudge, he's been a black hole offensively, then the $28-$30 million effectively becomes $18-$20 million.  I'll take my chances with Rabelo if we can get AROD.

As far as AROD 'not winning anything', in my opinion, teams win championships, not players.  If anything, he's likely to be more hungry than someone who has 'been there, done that'.

Respectfully disagree also that it's unlikely due to the fact he's a veteran.  DD has repeatedly built his teams, wisely, veterans, rookies, mix, whatever it takes.  Rogers, Maggs, Sheffield, Pudge, that's plenty evidence for me he's willing to sign another veteran.

I'm getting the feeling that, some people simply don't WANT Arod here, for some reason, which is fine, just surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually perplexed that anyone would be &#8217;shocked&#8217; if they signed AROD.  As for me, &#8230;it may or may not happen, but I wouldn&#8217;t even be slightly surprised if he was signed.   As far as &#8216;opting out&#8217;, it all depends on how sweet the deal is,  the sources I&#8217;ve heard say he&#8217;ll likely make more if he opts out, now, they could all be wrong, but I&#8217;m hearing this from multiple sources, time will tell.  Obviously, he has to opt out or the discussion is moot.</p>
<p>As far as the cost, its all relative to the Return on Investment.  I don&#8217;t think that paying 3 mediocre players  30 mil a year is any better than paying one of the greatest hitters of all time 30 mil.  If you look at the projected marginal increase in revenue the Tigers would get as a result of AROD&#8217;s offensive production.  They&#8217;d make money.   And if you really must, don&#8217;t sign Pudge, he&#8217;s been a black hole offensively, then the $28-$30 million effectively becomes $18-$20 million.  I&#8217;ll take my chances with Rabelo if we can get AROD.</p>
<p>As far as AROD &#8216;not winning anything&#8217;, in my opinion, teams win championships, not players.  If anything, he&#8217;s likely to be more hungry than someone who has &#8216;been there, done that&#8217;.</p>
<p>Respectfully disagree also that it&#8217;s unlikely due to the fact he&#8217;s a veteran.  DD has repeatedly built his teams, wisely, veterans, rookies, mix, whatever it takes.  Rogers, Maggs, Sheffield, Pudge, that&#8217;s plenty evidence for me he&#8217;s willing to sign another veteran.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting the feeling that, some people simply don&#8217;t WANT Arod here, for some reason, which is fine, just surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I got your point. I don't want to get in the running for Miguel Tejada. He's just as bad defensively as Guillen, just with less range. Tejada's got 3B written all over him, to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I got your point. I don&#8217;t want to get in the running for Miguel Tejada. He&#8217;s just as bad defensively as Guillen, just with less range. Tejada&#8217;s got 3B written all over him, to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're probably right, Mike, I was throwing out names to illustrate the point.  I have heard that it's strictly a salary reason for Atlanta to unload Renteria (and they have the kid Escobar to take his place), and so Atlanta may be willing to take a weaker package in order to dump the salary.  That said, other teams will be looking o upgrade at SS also, and Baltimore might look to move Tejada, so either way, I think it will be an interesting offseason.  Fact is, major changes should be coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re probably right, Mike, I was throwing out names to illustrate the point.  I have heard that it&#8217;s strictly a salary reason for Atlanta to unload Renteria (and they have the kid Escobar to take his place), and so Atlanta may be willing to take a weaker package in order to dump the salary.  That said, other teams will be looking o upgrade at SS also, and Baltimore might look to move Tejada, so either way, I think it will be an interesting offseason.  Fact is, major changes should be coming.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tata or Vasquez aren't bringing back anything of note. It'd be more like "Jurrjens or De La Cruz".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tata or Vasquez aren&#8217;t bringing back anything of note. It&#8217;d be more like &#8220;Jurrjens or De La Cruz&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark in Chicago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark in Chicago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teixiera prolly isn't available, and he's not a free agent until after next year.  I suspect DD may want to move Guillen to first and try and trade for Renteria, who Atlanta is rumored to be shopping.  I would think they would like some of our young arms (Tata or Vasquez) and perhaps a position prospect (like Gorkys).  

I think we're stuck with Inge at third and Pudge behind the plate, those are hard positions to fill (everyone is looking for young catching) and we have no quality prospects to step in.

I'm so glad we've given 14 or so ABs to Perez in this series.  Bonus that he's hitting third again today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teixiera prolly isn&#8217;t available, and he&#8217;s not a free agent until after next year.  I suspect DD may want to move Guillen to first and try and trade for Renteria, who Atlanta is rumored to be shopping.  I would think they would like some of our young arms (Tata or Vasquez) and perhaps a position prospect (like Gorkys).  </p>
<p>I think we&#8217;re stuck with Inge at third and Pudge behind the plate, those are hard positions to fill (everyone is looking for young catching) and we have no quality prospects to step in.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so glad we&#8217;ve given 14 or so ABs to Perez in this series.  Bonus that he&#8217;s hitting third again today.</p>
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		<title>By: Rings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey, I'd love to see them make a run at Teixiera. We could move Guillen to 3B also (he played about 100 games there for Seattle) where his range wouldn't be as much of a factor and let Brandon be the super-sub again, where he'd be much more valuable.

I wasn't suggesting above that ARod wouldn't be worth chasing - he's obviously a great player. His lack of a WS title wasn't a dig on him, just that - as BobS states (and DD believes) that the pitching staff is more important - and no player, he or the other HOFers mentioned, can carry a team alone. 
I just believe with 99.99% certainty that it would never happen for the reasons above-stated by myself and others, so there's not much sense in Tiger fans "hoping" so or imagining the possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey, I&#8217;d love to see them make a run at Teixiera. We could move Guillen to 3B also (he played about 100 games there for Seattle) where his range wouldn&#8217;t be as much of a factor and let Brandon be the super-sub again, where he&#8217;d be much more valuable.</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t suggesting above that ARod wouldn&#8217;t be worth chasing - he&#8217;s obviously a great player. His lack of a WS title wasn&#8217;t a dig on him, just that - as BobS states (and DD believes) that the pitching staff is more important - and no player, he or the other HOFers mentioned, can carry a team alone.<br />
I just believe with 99.99% certainty that it would never happen for the reasons above-stated by myself and others, so there&#8217;s not much sense in Tiger fans &#8220;hoping&#8221; so or imagining the possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHY IS TIMO HITTING 3RD AGAIN!?

I'm on the west side of the state, who all covers the Tigers for the Detroit newspapers. I've got Danny Knobler, Lynn Henning, who else? I'm going to send out a mass email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHY IS TIMO HITTING 3RD AGAIN!?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m on the west side of the state, who all covers the Tigers for the Detroit newspapers. I&#8217;ve got Danny Knobler, Lynn Henning, who else? I&#8217;m going to send out a mass email.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Mike — I think that was a good analysis of Miller’s pitching lat night

and guess what: this screams COACHING PROBLEM to me

the guy’s out there and trying to over-throw the ball. He needs to get with Kenny and get some confidence in a little finnesse

pitching is all about location and movement. 92 is plenty on the fastball if it has some good late movement to it

it is CRITICAL that the pitcher be able to throw all his pitches for strike and he should have a two fastballs, a good change-up and a curve or slider to work with

sinkers are good when ya got the guy 0-2 and nobody on&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Kenny Rogers is a veteran. He is not a pitching coach. You blindly follow all of Jim Leyland's moves and refuse to see his shortcomings, yet don't trust Chuck Hernandez. There's no way he did nothing all of last year and had a young staff succeed. Jim Leyland has even told Miller to get away from the fastball and he refuses to. That's more a confidence issue then a coaching issue and we have the organization to thank for potentially stunting Miller's growth. You're looking at another Bonderman (2 pitches, confidence problems) rather then another Verlander (3 pitches, confidence, all of which Miller could have been).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Shorter Bill A : yaaaaaay!
I think of the names you mention Mike R,Lowell is the most intriguing.Probably Inges’ equal with the glove,though not as flashy,and a huge upgrade offensively.The trick would be outbidding Boston(maybe not that big a problem if they make a serious run at ARod).
The outfield isn’t a huge problem,although I’ve always liked the underappreciated Mike Cameron-plus,with his tendency to strike out often,he’d fit right in on this team.I don’t think the ‘name’ players Jones and Hunter would be as valuable to the Tigers as the bigger money that it would require to sign them.
I see Cabrera as a future first baseman for the Yankees,Red Sox,or Angels.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Boston doesn't want Mike Lowell back and I don't want him here. We're already an old position player team, and getting older while paying Brandon Inge $24 million to do nothing doesn't work. I don't even see Cabrera playing a position. He's still listed at 210 but he's easily 235+. He's got DH written all over him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mike — I think that was a good analysis of Miller’s pitching lat night</p>
<p>and guess what: this screams COACHING PROBLEM to me</p>
<p>the guy’s out there and trying to over-throw the ball. He needs to get with Kenny and get some confidence in a little finnesse</p>
<p>pitching is all about location and movement. 92 is plenty on the fastball if it has some good late movement to it</p>
<p>it is CRITICAL that the pitcher be able to throw all his pitches for strike and he should have a two fastballs, a good change-up and a curve or slider to work with</p>
<p>sinkers are good when ya got the guy 0-2 and nobody on</p></blockquote>
<p>Kenny Rogers is a veteran. He is not a pitching coach. You blindly follow all of Jim Leyland&#8217;s moves and refuse to see his shortcomings, yet don&#8217;t trust Chuck Hernandez. There&#8217;s no way he did nothing all of last year and had a young staff succeed. Jim Leyland has even told Miller to get away from the fastball and he refuses to. That&#8217;s more a confidence issue then a coaching issue and we have the organization to thank for potentially stunting Miller&#8217;s growth. You&#8217;re looking at another Bonderman (2 pitches, confidence problems) rather then another Verlander (3 pitches, confidence, all of which Miller could have been).</p>
<blockquote><p>Shorter Bill A : yaaaaaay!<br />
I think of the names you mention Mike R,Lowell is the most intriguing.Probably Inges’ equal with the glove,though not as flashy,and a huge upgrade offensively.The trick would be outbidding Boston(maybe not that big a problem if they make a serious run at ARod).<br />
The outfield isn’t a huge problem,although I’ve always liked the underappreciated Mike Cameron-plus,with his tendency to strike out often,he’d fit right in on this team.I don’t think the ‘name’ players Jones and Hunter would be as valuable to the Tigers as the bigger money that it would require to sign them.<br />
I see Cabrera as a future first baseman for the Yankees,Red Sox,or Angels.</p></blockquote>
<p>Boston doesn&#8217;t want Mike Lowell back and I don&#8217;t want him here. We&#8217;re already an old position player team, and getting older while paying Brandon Inge $24 million to do nothing doesn&#8217;t work. I don&#8217;t even see Cabrera playing a position. He&#8217;s still listed at 210 but he&#8217;s easily 235+. He&#8217;s got DH written all over him.</p>
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