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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 16:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith, You said it all.</description>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-123-tigers-at-yankees/#comment-64808</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

First off, of the 54,000 Yankee fans in attendence (or however many), I guarantee you not ONE of them was &quot;upset&quot; because their team managed to eek out a &#039;W&#039; against a depleted Tiger team without their best clutch hitter, a 20-year-old OFer, and a bullpen starter.   What the?   All they care about is that they won, that the Red Sox lost, and that they are one more game up on the Tigers in the wildcard race.   Second.... second...  What?  How can you possibly not be affected by this loss?  This game is yet another shapshot of what has continually ailed this team in its now extremely prolonged slump.   Starting pitching excels, offense doesn&#039;t execute.  Offense goes gang busters, starting pitching blows.  Starting pitching delivers and hands lead to bullpen, bullpen proceeds to throw match into gas refinery.   Ordonez is on fire, Sheff can&#039;t hit the broad side of a barn.  Sheff is on fire, Ordonez can&#039;t hit the broad side of a barn.   One thru five in the order begin hitting like MVP candidates, 6-9 in the order K every other at-bat.   Can this team just for a few games hit on all cylinders?  

Your comment makes no sense.  If I&#039;m a Yankees fan, I&#039;m ecstastic the team took adavantage of opponents mistakes, managed to lay down a handful of key 2-out clutch hits, and executed in general like a playoff team.  Besides that, I hardly consider a 5-2 score, just &quot;barely&quot; winning.  The Yankees executed and took advantage and the Tigers didn&#039;t.  

And who really cares if you manage to pull together a healthy roster with 5 starting pitchers and a solid bullpen by October?  By then this team will be watching the action from their livingroom couches.  We need to win NOW.  Every &#039;L&#039; is a disappointment.  But especially ones we gift wrap and hand to the other team with apologies and excuses.  We could have easily plated 7 runs with the rallies we had brewing and the runners we had in scoring position (with the lineup we had)... if only we managed just a couple clutch hits and a sacrifice or two.  In my estimation, that would have been enough to win this game.  Horrible.

If you consider yourself a &quot;contending&quot; team, going against a &quot;contending&quot; team, you have to take adavantage of opportunities given and execute like a contending team.  If you don&#039;t, you&#039;re not going to win, and you&#039;re certainly not going to be a contending team for long.  Unfortunately, that&#039;s exactly what&#039;s happening here.  1 1/2 games back and sliding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>First off, of the 54,000 Yankee fans in attendence (or however many), I guarantee you not ONE of them was &#8220;upset&#8221; because their team managed to eek out a &#8216;W&#8217; against a depleted Tiger team without their best clutch hitter, a 20-year-old OFer, and a bullpen starter.   What the?   All they care about is that they won, that the Red Sox lost, and that they are one more game up on the Tigers in the wildcard race.   Second&#8230;. second&#8230;  What?  How can you possibly not be affected by this loss?  This game is yet another shapshot of what has continually ailed this team in its now extremely prolonged slump.   Starting pitching excels, offense doesn&#8217;t execute.  Offense goes gang busters, starting pitching blows.  Starting pitching delivers and hands lead to bullpen, bullpen proceeds to throw match into gas refinery.   Ordonez is on fire, Sheff can&#8217;t hit the broad side of a barn.  Sheff is on fire, Ordonez can&#8217;t hit the broad side of a barn.   One thru five in the order begin hitting like MVP candidates, 6-9 in the order K every other at-bat.   Can this team just for a few games hit on all cylinders?  </p>
<p>Your comment makes no sense.  If I&#8217;m a Yankees fan, I&#8217;m ecstastic the team took adavantage of opponents mistakes, managed to lay down a handful of key 2-out clutch hits, and executed in general like a playoff team.  Besides that, I hardly consider a 5-2 score, just &#8220;barely&#8221; winning.  The Yankees executed and took advantage and the Tigers didn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>And who really cares if you manage to pull together a healthy roster with 5 starting pitchers and a solid bullpen by October?  By then this team will be watching the action from their livingroom couches.  We need to win NOW.  Every &#8216;L&#8217; is a disappointment.  But especially ones we gift wrap and hand to the other team with apologies and excuses.  We could have easily plated 7 runs with the rallies we had brewing and the runners we had in scoring position (with the lineup we had)&#8230; if only we managed just a couple clutch hits and a sacrifice or two.  In my estimation, that would have been enough to win this game.  Horrible.</p>
<p>If you consider yourself a &#8220;contending&#8221; team, going against a &#8220;contending&#8221; team, you have to take adavantage of opportunities given and execute like a contending team.  If you don&#8217;t, you&#8217;re not going to win, and you&#8217;re certainly not going to be a contending team for long.  Unfortunately, that&#8217;s exactly what&#8217;s happening here.  1 1/2 games back and sliding.</p>
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		<title>By: BobS.</title>
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		<dc:creator>BobS.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 14:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Stephen.Along with everything else that may have been going through Maybin&#039;s mind,he was put at a new position where he had to think instead of simply reacting like he would in centerfield.At least he wasn&#039;t put at second base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Stephen.Along with everything else that may have been going through Maybin&#8217;s mind,he was put at a new position where he had to think instead of simply reacting like he would in centerfield.At least he wasn&#8217;t put at second base.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill A \ Kal.MI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill A \ Kal.MI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 13:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sunday morning.  rain.  hot coffee.

I just read all the chitter-chatter.   lotta good stuff

I like the effort to ge Cam into action.   I like it a lot.  The season takes its toll as it grinds along week after week and it is total team strength that counts in the roll-up.  And I see building that total team strength at Leyland&#039;s major asset.

If Cam could become a left field Grandy!  I&#039;m gonna be wathing for progress!!

That don&#039;t mean we don&#039;t need a player like Omar.  we do need him; we need guys like Omar a lot because of his versatility.  If you look around the field and look at each position you know who the first string player is.  but who do ya put in if ya gotta put a guy in?  that added strength contributes greatly to total team strength and that helps al lot as the season grinds along game after game

so while some folks fussn&#039; over what was missed here and there I like to look at the aspects of team building the Leyland is working on

Durbin looked sharp.  I think he pretty much matched Clemmes through 5.  but when he let the first guy get on in the 6 I though C&#039;mon Jim change pitcher now.  should have.  hoping for 7 innings from a starter is getting a little optimistin I think -- although Durbin had thrown what -- 83 pitches when they pulled him?  didn&#039;t seem all that high but ya gotta go by how the guy is doing and when you get into that range you need a light trigger on that trip to the mound

Grilli did look better and that was encouraging

I&#039;ll be ready for the game at 1.  it&#039;s raining here in Mich for today and tw hopefully it will be a Good Day for Baseball in Yankee Stadiium</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sunday morning.  rain.  hot coffee.</p>
<p>I just read all the chitter-chatter.   lotta good stuff</p>
<p>I like the effort to ge Cam into action.   I like it a lot.  The season takes its toll as it grinds along week after week and it is total team strength that counts in the roll-up.  And I see building that total team strength at Leyland&#8217;s major asset.</p>
<p>If Cam could become a left field Grandy!  I&#8217;m gonna be wathing for progress!!</p>
<p>That don&#8217;t mean we don&#8217;t need a player like Omar.  we do need him; we need guys like Omar a lot because of his versatility.  If you look around the field and look at each position you know who the first string player is.  but who do ya put in if ya gotta put a guy in?  that added strength contributes greatly to total team strength and that helps al lot as the season grinds along game after game</p>
<p>so while some folks fussn&#8217; over what was missed here and there I like to look at the aspects of team building the Leyland is working on</p>
<p>Durbin looked sharp.  I think he pretty much matched Clemmes through 5.  but when he let the first guy get on in the 6 I though C&#8217;mon Jim change pitcher now.  should have.  hoping for 7 innings from a starter is getting a little optimistin I think &#8212; although Durbin had thrown what &#8212; 83 pitches when they pulled him?  didn&#8217;t seem all that high but ya gotta go by how the guy is doing and when you get into that range you need a light trigger on that trip to the mound</p>
<p>Grilli did look better and that was encouraging</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be ready for the game at 1.  it&#8217;s raining here in Mich for today and tw hopefully it will be a Good Day for Baseball in Yankee Stadiium</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, I&#039;m not saying Maybin isn&#039;t a special player and might not blossom into a great defensive outfielder. (From all reports, he&#039;s a great center fielder) All i&#039;m saying is we&#039;re in a pennant race today and right now--August 2007-he is a severe liabilty in the field. It would  be like moving Inge to short tomorrow. Does he have the tools and range to play the position? Probably. But he&#039;s gonna toss a few balls into the stands until he gets his bearings. Might Maybin&#039;s left field IQ change in 7-10 games once he gets his bearings? Sure, but i think there&#039;s a whiff of desperation in putting a 20 yr old playing a new position on the road during a pennant race; much like last year when the Yanks tried to teach SHeff first base on the fly.  I think there&#039;s something to be said for making Granderson, a seasoned player, play left field when they both play. It&#039;s not ideal, but it seems better than the current option.
Again, I&#039;m not knocking Maybin&#039;s fielding potential, knocking the harebrained scheme of teaching a 20 yr old a new position on the fly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, I&#8217;m not saying Maybin isn&#8217;t a special player and might not blossom into a great defensive outfielder. (From all reports, he&#8217;s a great center fielder) All i&#8217;m saying is we&#8217;re in a pennant race today and right now&#8211;August 2007-he is a severe liabilty in the field. It would  be like moving Inge to short tomorrow. Does he have the tools and range to play the position? Probably. But he&#8217;s gonna toss a few balls into the stands until he gets his bearings. Might Maybin&#8217;s left field IQ change in 7-10 games once he gets his bearings? Sure, but i think there&#8217;s a whiff of desperation in putting a 20 yr old playing a new position on the road during a pennant race; much like last year when the Yanks tried to teach SHeff first base on the fly.  I think there&#8217;s something to be said for making Granderson, a seasoned player, play left field when they both play. It&#8217;s not ideal, but it seems better than the current option.<br />
Again, I&#8217;m not knocking Maybin&#8217;s fielding potential, knocking the harebrained scheme of teaching a 20 yr old a new position on the fly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys crack me up about Maybin. Yeah his Defense has been shaky, but he is still getting used to LF. His speed and range will come thorugh soon enough.

Most people in the organization during spring training were saying that he would eventually move Granderson to LF. As good as Grandy has been this year, I don&#039;t see it happening yet. 

It is nice to have two CFers in the OF though.

-Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys crack me up about Maybin. Yeah his Defense has been shaky, but he is still getting used to LF. His speed and range will come thorugh soon enough.</p>
<p>Most people in the organization during spring training were saying that he would eventually move Granderson to LF. As good as Grandy has been this year, I don&#8217;t see it happening yet. </p>
<p>It is nice to have two CFers in the OF though.</p>
<p>-Sam</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 06:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess Matt does not get upset because we did not put our A- team on the field and we were going against Clemens. Sounds like a pretty good excuse to me. We&#039;re going to need a few more, though, if we continue to implode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess Matt does not get upset because we did not put our A- team on the field and we were going against Clemens. Sounds like a pretty good excuse to me. We&#8217;re going to need a few more, though, if we continue to implode.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Inge at bat was awful.  Yes, the called 3rd strike was borderline (prolly still a strike though), but if you swing at a ball at your shoulders you don&#039;t really get to argue a pitch that close.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Inge at bat was awful.  Yes, the called 3rd strike was borderline (prolly still a strike though), but if you swing at a ball at your shoulders you don&#8217;t really get to argue a pitch that close.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Inge&#039;s last at bat before I left and just cringed with 3 balls and no strikes.  I would have made him throw 3 strikes.  But, oh no, not our boy Inge.  Terrible at bat.  Maybin is pretty special but he needs a lot of work with Andy VanSlyke.  They say he has a very strong work ethic and is very teachable.  Grandy, Maggs, and Thames seem to be in mini slumps.  Sure is disappointing that we left all those guys on base.  Durbin looked real strong and I was ready to throw him under the bus last week.

Hope we have a good day tomorrow and Polly&#039;s back in the lineup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Inge&#8217;s last at bat before I left and just cringed with 3 balls and no strikes.  I would have made him throw 3 strikes.  But, oh no, not our boy Inge.  Terrible at bat.  Maybin is pretty special but he needs a lot of work with Andy VanSlyke.  They say he has a very strong work ethic and is very teachable.  Grandy, Maggs, and Thames seem to be in mini slumps.  Sure is disappointing that we left all those guys on base.  Durbin looked real strong and I was ready to throw him under the bus last week.</p>
<p>Hope we have a good day tomorrow and Polly&#8217;s back in the lineup.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Dave, stop projecting.</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant pretty &quot;sure&quot;, obviously.  I wasn&#039;t telling Matt that I was pretty (though maybe I should have)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant pretty &#8220;sure&#8221;, obviously.  I wasn&#8217;t telling Matt that I was pretty (though maybe I should have)</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty Matt didn&#039;t tell you not to be bothered by the loss, Stephen -  he said that HE wasn&#039;t.  Were you just lacking for attention or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty Matt didn&#8217;t tell you not to be bothered by the loss, Stephen &#8211;  he said that HE wasn&#8217;t.  Were you just lacking for attention or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Matt, if the idea is not so much to win games and make the playoffs, but  rather show how close we can keep a game before losing it, yeah, then i&#039;m not bothered by this loss at all. 

And Mike R, it is Maybin&#039;s defensive game that is lagging. I&#039;m sure he&#039;s a great centerfielder, but the problem is he mishandled three plays in two games in a way that a first baseman pressed into the outfield during an extra inning game might. He&#039;s playing out of position and that&#039;s not his fault, but if he fields like the first two games, he&#039;s gonna cost us a game sooner rather than later. From what I&#039;ve seen so far, he&#039;s not an adequate left fielder at this point in time. Again, not his fault, but it&#039;ll cost us all the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Matt, if the idea is not so much to win games and make the playoffs, but  rather show how close we can keep a game before losing it, yeah, then i&#8217;m not bothered by this loss at all. </p>
<p>And Mike R, it is Maybin&#8217;s defensive game that is lagging. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s a great centerfielder, but the problem is he mishandled three plays in two games in a way that a first baseman pressed into the outfield during an extra inning game might. He&#8217;s playing out of position and that&#8217;s not his fault, but if he fields like the first two games, he&#8217;s gonna cost us a game sooner rather than later. From what I&#8217;ve seen so far, he&#8217;s not an adequate left fielder at this point in time. Again, not his fault, but it&#8217;ll cost us all the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 02:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hahahaha, I love people jumping on Maybin&#039;s case for his defense. That&#039;s the last thing that we&#039;ll be complaining about. Kid is a year younger then I am and made the jump essentially from High-A baseball to a major league debut in Yankee Stadium, in the heat of a pennant race for a floundering team being riddled by injuries and illness, facing Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens in his first two games on top of having to play a position he hasn&#039;t played since at the least, High School. If ever.

I don&#039;t think he&#039;s ready for the Majors, but the defensive aspect of this game is not the one that&#039;s lagging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahahaha, I love people jumping on Maybin&#8217;s case for his defense. That&#8217;s the last thing that we&#8217;ll be complaining about. Kid is a year younger then I am and made the jump essentially from High-A baseball to a major league debut in Yankee Stadium, in the heat of a pennant race for a floundering team being riddled by injuries and illness, facing Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens in his first two games on top of having to play a position he hasn&#8217;t played since at the least, High School. If ever.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s ready for the Majors, but the defensive aspect of this game is not the one that&#8217;s lagging.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 01:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith *** I would like to know the failed percentage rate, in the MLB, of getting runners at 1st and 3rd, nobody out, and then failing to score a run. Anybody up to the challenge? ***

Neat site that I found a couple years ago during arguments about the efficacy of bunting:  

http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/users/brooks/public_html/feda/datasets/expectedruns.html

There&#039;s a 13% chance of no runs being scored in the 1st/3rd, nobody out situation (1 - .870).  That&#039;s based on old data and blends in NL (pitchers hit) data, so it&#039;s probably closer to 10% in the current AL offensive context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith *** I would like to know the failed percentage rate, in the MLB, of getting runners at 1st and 3rd, nobody out, and then failing to score a run. Anybody up to the challenge? ***</p>
<p>Neat site that I found a couple years ago during arguments about the efficacy of bunting:  </p>
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<p>There&#8217;s a 13% chance of no runs being scored in the 1st/3rd, nobody out situation (1 &#8211; .870).  That&#8217;s based on old data and blends in NL (pitchers hit) data, so it&#8217;s probably closer to 10% in the current AL offensive context.</p>
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