Comments on: Game 119: Tigers at Indians http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:06:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64319 BobS. Thu, 16 Aug 2007 02:02:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64319 Thanks for that didactic,Bill A-your grasp of the obvious is impressive. Like I wrote,all you need to convince yourself of Granderson's futility batting against lefthanders is watching him bat against lefthanders.I didn't bring up the Neifi comparisons,but,since someone did,he certainly compares more with him(against southpaws) than with Mays or Kaline(sorry,I just find it hard to believe that someone with the intelligence to use a computer can seriously make that comparison-I'll leave it alone now). His value as a baserunner is predicated on him getting on base(how's that for stating the obvious),something he does too rarely against lefthanded pitching. Thanks for that didactic,Bill A-your grasp of the obvious is impressive.
Like I wrote,all you need to convince yourself of Granderson’s futility batting against lefthanders is watching him bat against lefthanders.I didn’t bring up the Neifi comparisons,but,since someone did,he certainly compares more with him(against southpaws) than with Mays or Kaline(sorry,I just find it hard to believe that someone with the intelligence to use a computer can seriously make that comparison-I’ll leave it alone now).
His value as a baserunner is predicated on him getting on base(how’s that for stating the obvious),something he does too rarely against lefthanded pitching.

]]> By: tiff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64243 tiff Wed, 15 Aug 2007 22:00:59 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64243 BoSox and Yanks lost this afternoon.... Looking forward to tonights matchup, trying not to expect too much from Jar Jar. BoSox and Yanks lost this afternoon….
Looking forward to tonights matchup, trying not to expect too much from Jar Jar.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64238 Mark in Chicago Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:32:54 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64238 The numbers from my post use 173 AB, which gives a better indication of his track record. He struggles against lefties now but has the ability to improve. The idea of platooning him often but getting him ABs against a lefty whenever you can seems like a sensible approach, as he can improve, and would obviously be more valuable given his baserunning and defense if he could play every day. He totally mashes righties, BTW. I don't think we've mentioned that. The numbers from my post use 173 AB, which gives a better indication of his track record.

He struggles against lefties now but has the ability to improve. The idea of platooning him often but getting him ABs against a lefty whenever you can seems like a sensible approach, as he can improve, and would obviously be more valuable given his baserunning and defense if he could play every day.

He totally mashes righties, BTW. I don’t think we’ve mentioned that.

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64237 T Smith Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:26:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64237 98 AB is a too small a sample size to condem Granderson to the likes of Neifi Perez. That's less than 1 plate appearance per game played... He's played in 117 games, but remember, many of those games he came in late, after the other team pulled the starting left-hander pitcher. Again, I'm not arguing Granderson is a good hitter against lefties. I'm just pointing out 98 AB is just way too small a sample size to get an accurate pitcure. 98 AB is a too small a sample size to condem Granderson to the likes of Neifi Perez. That’s less than 1 plate appearance per game played… He’s played in 117 games, but remember, many of those games he came in late, after the other team pulled the starting left-hander pitcher.

Again, I’m not arguing Granderson is a good hitter against lefties. I’m just pointing out 98 AB is just way too small a sample size to get an accurate pitcure.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64236 Bill A \ Kal MI Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:25:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64236 remember that the outcome of the game is the difference in our offensive production less their defensive effort and their offensive production less our defensive effort all of the players on both teams contribute to all of the above the game is not just in hitting. anything that Grandy might lack in hitting against lefties is way more than made up by his defensive value. Inge is similar -- not a hitter really but very good covering 3b remember that the outcome of the game is the difference in our offensive production less their defensive effort and their offensive production less our defensive effort

all of the players on both teams contribute to all of the above the game is not just in hitting. anything that Grandy might lack in hitting against lefties is way more than made up by his defensive value. Inge is similar — not a hitter really but very good covering 3b

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64235 Mark in Chicago Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:17:19 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64235 For his career, Granderson is 231/293/434 against lefties. Not very good, but consider his career numbers: 262/330/447, which are on the rise as he continues to improve. I would expect that as Granderson gains more experience, he will play more often against left-handers and his numbers will get better. He was obviously lost against a power lefty in Sabathia (who is tough on lefties in general) but had some success against soft-tosser Buehrle a few weeks ago in Chicago, so I think he is capable of improving. For his career, Granderson is 231/293/434 against lefties. Not very good, but consider his career numbers: 262/330/447, which are on the rise as he continues to improve. I would expect that as Granderson gains more experience, he will play more often against left-handers and his numbers will get better. He was obviously lost against a power lefty in Sabathia (who is tough on lefties in general) but had some success against soft-tosser Buehrle a few weeks ago in Chicago, so I think he is capable of improving.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64233 Bill A \ Kal MI Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:07:47 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64233 everybody ready? we got our new guy to pitch tonite I can hardly wait for the game to start everybody ready? we got our new guy to pitch tonite I can hardly wait for the game to start

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64232 Bill A \ Kal MI Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:04:21 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64232 I've been watching Grandy play out there and there ain't nobody I'd rather watch play baseball. some of these negative notes, geeeeees -- don't they need somebody to sell pizza? I’ve been watching Grandy play out there and there ain’t nobody I’d rather watch play baseball.

some of these negative notes, geeeeees — don’t they need somebody to sell pizza?

]]> By: BobS. http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64228 BobS. Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:44:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64228 Those numbers are based on 98 AB against left handers.He's played in 117(out of 119) games to date.My opinion is based on watching him flail at balls thrown by lefthanded pitchers.He's so bad that I've wondered if he shouldn't experiment with switch hitting in the spring,something that never occurred to me while watching Willie Mays or Al Kaline(recalling some ludicrous comparisons from a previous thread).While his range and glove skills are Gold Glove caliber,Granderson has a below average arm for a center fielder.He compensates somewhat by playing as shallow as he does.NO WAY(a battle of capital letters!)does Granderson have the strongest arm in the outfield,unless you're referring to his high school team.Take off the orange tinged shades. Those numbers are based on 98 AB against left handers.He’s played in 117(out of 119) games to date.My opinion is based on watching him flail at balls thrown by lefthanded pitchers.He’s so bad that I’ve wondered if he shouldn’t experiment with switch hitting in the spring,something that never occurred to me while watching Willie Mays or Al Kaline(recalling some ludicrous comparisons from a previous thread).While his range and glove skills are Gold Glove caliber,Granderson has a below average arm for a center fielder.He compensates somewhat by playing as shallow as he does.NO WAY(a battle of capital letters!)does Granderson have the strongest arm in the outfield,unless you’re referring to his high school team.Take off the orange tinged shades.

]]> By: Bill A \ Kal MI http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64227 Bill A \ Kal MI Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:33:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64227 Ken batting ain't all there is to this game. The reason Grandy is devastating is because of the way he covers his position in CF. A truly top flite player. Good hitter too. Ken batting ain’t all there is to this game. The reason Grandy is devastating is because of the way he covers his position in CF. A truly top flite player. Good hitter too.

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64225 T Smith Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:57:36 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64225 I also saw Granderson absolutely crush a ball into the right field stands just a few weeks ago against a lefty (I think he had a multiple hit game against the same pitcher, too, if memory serves). I think I've seen Neifi hit exactly one home run in my life, against KS, when the Tigers were already up something like 8-0. It was such an incredulous site I had to hit rewind on TIVO about ten times before I was confinced I wasn't suddenly swept by some unknown force into an alternate universe. I would consider platooning Grandy with Raburn, but I would also continue to give him some at bats against lefties. I think his line against lefties will greatly improve with time. I also saw Granderson absolutely crush a ball into the right field stands just a few weeks ago against a lefty (I think he had a multiple hit game against the same pitcher, too, if memory serves).

I think I’ve seen Neifi hit exactly one home run in my life, against KS, when the Tigers were already up something like 8-0. It was such an incredulous site I had to hit rewind on TIVO about ten times before I was confinced I wasn’t suddenly swept by some unknown force into an alternate universe.

I would consider platooning Grandy with Raburn, but I would also continue to give him some at bats against lefties. I think his line against lefties will greatly improve with time.

]]> By: Walt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64224 Walt Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:44:02 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64224 Grandy isn't as bad as neifi when a left hander is pitching. At least with Grandy swinging against a lefty there is the threat of the ball getting to the outfield. Grandy isn’t as bad as neifi when a left hander is pitching. At least with Grandy swinging against a lefty there is the threat of the ball getting to the outfield.

]]> By: Coach Jim http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64223 Coach Jim Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:40:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64223 BobS, I must disagree with your assessment about Granderson's throwing. I would call him the STRONGEST arm in our outfield, not the weakest. BobS, I must disagree with your assessment about Granderson’s throwing. I would call him the STRONGEST arm in our outfield, not the weakest.

]]> By: Ken in Cincinnati http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64222 Ken in Cincinnati Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:37:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64222 He is devastating......as long as the pitcher is right handed. If it's a left-hander he's reduced to Neifi Perez status. Good D, abysmal O. He is devastating……as long as the pitcher is right handed. If it’s a left-hander he’s reduced to Neifi Perez status. Good D, abysmal O.

]]> By: T Smith http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64221 T Smith Wed, 15 Aug 2007 17:36:17 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/08/game-119-tigers-at-indians/#comment-64221 Bob S: Leyland DOES often platoon Granderson, which makes me wonder what the sample size is on that .163/.204/.286 line. Maybe a little small to make such a sweeping statement? There is no doubt Granderson is dismal against lefties, but no way no how does Infante (least of all Monroe) compensate offensively to platton for him. I'd rather have Granderson hitting lefties anyday than see Monroe or Infante (at that position). Raburn, maybe. I can see that. Again, would like to see the sample size of that line vs. the sample size and line against righties. Bob S:

Leyland DOES often platoon Granderson, which makes me wonder what the sample size is on that .163/.204/.286 line. Maybe a little small to make such a sweeping statement?

There is no doubt Granderson is dismal against lefties, but no way no how does Infante (least of all Monroe) compensate offensively to platton for him. I’d rather have Granderson hitting lefties anyday than see Monroe or Infante (at that position). Raburn, maybe. I can see that.

Again, would like to see the sample size of that line vs. the sample size and line against righties.

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