Comments on: Trade Deadline Day http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Mon, 08 Sep 2008 01:51:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: KS http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61977 KS Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:26:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61977 If the cost of Gagne was Maybin then I'm incredibly relieved nothing happened. I know there are some that think when you've got a shot at a ring, you need to take it. To me that's short sighted. And maybe....I don't want to think of going back to the days not long ago when our season was over at the end of April. I'd like a nice stretch like we had from the late 70's to late 80's of pretty good, to very good baseball. The big difference now is....we're in the AL Central as opposed to a 7 team AL East. A pretty good, to very good team has a shot to win the AL Central each and every year. Get in the playoffs and all bets are off. If...and I know it's a big if, Rodney and Zumaya are healthy, a guy like Dotel isn't really an upgrade. But throwing away your future on oft-injured, inconsistent bullpen pieces isn't my idea of a sure way to secure a pennant. We're in a good spot for once, when much of the team ages, we'll still have Bonderman, Verlander, Miller, Porcello (hopefully), Zumaya, Granderson, and Maybin to build around. It's nice to be able to look forward with a bit of confidence. If the cost of Gagne was Maybin then I’m incredibly relieved nothing happened. I know there are some that think when you’ve got a shot at a ring, you need to take it. To me that’s short sighted. And maybe….I don’t want to think of going back to the days not long ago when our season was over at the end of April. I’d like a nice stretch like we had from the late 70’s to late 80’s of pretty good, to very good baseball. The big difference now is….we’re in the AL Central as opposed to a 7 team AL East. A pretty good, to very good team has a shot to win the AL Central each and every year. Get in the playoffs and all bets are off. If…and I know it’s a big if, Rodney and Zumaya are healthy, a guy like Dotel isn’t really an upgrade. But throwing away your future on oft-injured, inconsistent bullpen pieces isn’t my idea of a sure way to secure a pennant. We’re in a good spot for once, when much of the team ages, we’ll still have Bonderman, Verlander, Miller, Porcello (hopefully), Zumaya, Granderson, and Maybin to build around. It’s nice to be able to look forward with a bit of confidence.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61971 Mike R Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:01:52 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61971 1) Kason Gabbard, at best, is a middle of the rotation guy. More likely, he's a back end of the rotation guy. Boston dealt him at his peak. Hm, sounds like something that should've happened to a certain LFer in December (I'm looking squarely at you Dave Dombrowski and Craig Monroe). 2) Dayton Moore took Kyle Davies because he has a love affair for him that is just unexplainable. He sees something that's not shown through yet, but he's just 23. 3) We could've beaten that package to Texas with our pitchers. Trahern is an extreme GB pitcher, ideal for that band box. Guys like Eulogio de la Cruz could've been offered and the toolsy Gorkys Hernandez. Anyone except for Maybin. The catch is, Gagne wouldn't waive his no trade clause to come to Detroit like he was willing to do for the Red Sox. 4) Can we give a collective "thank god" that we didn't trade for Jack Wilson? Thank God. 5) Kenny Lofton will be a very good platoon player in LF. Jason Michaels isn't anything to write home about and Lofton can still hit for average, get on base, and, more importantly, steal bases. He's no CFer anymore, nor should he be asked to be one. 6) I am amazed at how much John Daniels revamped the youth of that organization. Well done to him. 7) I wonder what the Reds were asking for David Weathers. Even he would've worked for me. 1) Kason Gabbard, at best, is a middle of the rotation guy. More likely, he’s a back end of the rotation guy. Boston dealt him at his peak. Hm, sounds like something that should’ve happened to a certain LFer in December (I’m looking squarely at you Dave Dombrowski and Craig Monroe).

2) Dayton Moore took Kyle Davies because he has a love affair for him that is just unexplainable. He sees something that’s not shown through yet, but he’s just 23.

3) We could’ve beaten that package to Texas with our pitchers. Trahern is an extreme GB pitcher, ideal for that band box. Guys like Eulogio de la Cruz could’ve been offered and the toolsy Gorkys Hernandez. Anyone except for Maybin. The catch is, Gagne wouldn’t waive his no trade clause to come to Detroit like he was willing to do for the Red Sox.

4) Can we give a collective “thank god” that we didn’t trade for Jack Wilson? Thank God.

5) Kenny Lofton will be a very good platoon player in LF. Jason Michaels isn’t anything to write home about and Lofton can still hit for average, get on base, and, more importantly, steal bases. He’s no CFer anymore, nor should he be asked to be one.

6) I am amazed at how much John Daniels revamped the youth of that organization. Well done to him.

7) I wonder what the Reds were asking for David Weathers. Even he would’ve worked for me.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61970 Jeff Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:01:34 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61970 *** We had scored almost a hundred more runs than the BoSox less than a month ago. *** Incorrect. The Tigers had outscored the Bosox by 79 runs at the start of this month and now have outscored them by 68 runs. The Tigers have a better offense than Boston and it's not even close. *** We had scored almost a hundred more runs than the BoSox less than a month ago. ***

Incorrect. The Tigers had outscored the Bosox by 79 runs at the start of this month and now have outscored them by 68 runs. The Tigers have a better offense than Boston and it’s not even close.

]]> By: Walewander http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61962 Walewander Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:33:55 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61962 I'd be surprised if Lofton doesn't start in LF for the rest of the year, but I guess we'll see. I’d be surprised if Lofton doesn’t start in LF for the rest of the year, but I guess we’ll see.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61960 Mark in Chicago Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:25:00 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61960 Well put, Billfer. And it's frustrating for all of us, Stephen. Here's to a healthy Rodney and Zumaya, because they are certainly going to need them. Well put, Billfer.

And it’s frustrating for all of us, Stephen. Here’s to a healthy Rodney and Zumaya, because they are certainly going to need them.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61959 Stephen Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:22:16 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61959 No, sorry to give impression I'd been banned by our always maganimous host. Self-ban was invoked when I realized that i was taking baseball a little too seriously and it was compromising my humanity. No, sorry to give impression I’d been banned by our always maganimous host. Self-ban was invoked when I realized that i was taking baseball a little too seriously and it was compromising my humanity.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61958 Mark in Chicago Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:22:14 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61958 Is it possible Moore doesn't trust his scouts, which is why he was willing to take Davies from Atlanta? Does he know something about Davies nobody else does? Was Schuerholz just helping out a buddy? Possibilities abound... Is it possible Moore doesn’t trust his scouts, which is why he was willing to take Davies from Atlanta?

Does he know something about Davies nobody else does?

Was Schuerholz just helping out a buddy?

Possibilities abound…

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61957 Stephen Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:20:04 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61957 I hear you Mark, it's just frustrating--whether Dotel or someone else--that pitchers moved and we didn't get one to fill a void. Later guys, back to work before I end up designated for assignment. I hear you Mark, it’s just frustrating–whether Dotel or someone else–that pitchers moved and we didn’t get one to fill a void. Later guys, back to work before I end up designated for assignment.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61956 billfer Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:19:49 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61956 Stephen - To echo Mark's sentiments I would be really disappointed if the Tigers had the chance to get Dotel straight up for a Trahern/Larish type player and didn't pull the trigger. Even I would have been okay with that price. But was that deal available to the Tigers? I have no idea. Moore knows Davies and it may not have been a matter of taking a 4-7 prospect, it may have been a matter of getting Davies. And for the record everyone, that was a self imposed ban by Stephen. I didn't ban him at all. Stephen - To echo Mark’s sentiments I would be really disappointed if the Tigers had the chance to get Dotel straight up for a Trahern/Larish type player and didn’t pull the trigger. Even I would have been okay with that price. But was that deal available to the Tigers? I have no idea. Moore knows Davies and it may not have been a matter of taking a 4-7 prospect, it may have been a matter of getting Davies.

And for the record everyone, that was a self imposed ban by Stephen. I didn’t ban him at all.

]]> By: Mark in Chicago http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61955 Mark in Chicago Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:13:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/trade-deadline-day/#comment-61955 I agree with your sentiment completely, Stephen, but the key there is whether the trade is equitable. I can get on board with dlC or Tata as part of a deal (which is true to the point you made) but again I would point out that the other guy involved might not think that's enough. Neither of those guys has the big league experience that Davies has. That could have been a major factor. I think you come back to the fact that he wanted to deal with Atlanta unless he was blown away. I don't think Miller/Maybin for Dotel is equitable. I agree with your sentiment completely, Stephen, but the key there is whether the trade is equitable. I can get on board with dlC or Tata as part of a deal (which is true to the point you made) but again I would point out that the other guy involved might not think that’s enough. Neither of those guys has the big league experience that Davies has. That could have been a major factor. I think you come back to the fact that he wanted to deal with Atlanta unless he was blown away.

I don’t think Miller/Maybin for Dotel is equitable.

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