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	<title>Comments on: Tigers trade for Jose Capellan</title>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/tigers-trade-for-jose-capellan/#comment-58618</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:29:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christina Kahrl's take on the trades is up at Baseball Prospectus:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6418

Be sure to click the "a pitcher who gave them good work in 2006" in her analysis of the trade from the Brewers' perspective, for some statistical analysis that hasn't been brought up here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christina Kahrl&#8217;s take on the trades is up at Baseball Prospectus:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6418" rel="nofollow">http://www.baseballprospectus......cleid=6418</a></p>
<p>Be sure to click the &#8220;a pitcher who gave them good work in 2006&#8243; in her analysis of the trade from the Brewers&#8217; perspective, for some statistical analysis that hasn&#8217;t been brought up here.</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/tigers-trade-for-jose-capellan/#comment-58616</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to make sure that I hadn't missed any word-of-mouth stories about him throwing a cherry bomb into Leyland's toilet.

I don't want to start an argument about whether you can really know someone's attitude from how they look while they play, because that strikes me as a religious question -- either you believe you can or you believe you can't, and there isn't much point in arguing it either way.  

I will say that it doesn't seem like the team thinks he has an attitude problem:  Dombrowski has dealt quickly with clubhouse malingerers so far in his tenure as GM (DY got his walking papers last year in the middle of a pennant race; Urbina was dealt quickly after his fight.  He didn't tolerate Weaver showing up his teammates for long, either).  Rodney, on the other hand, continues to get the ball in key situations, despite all evidence that he can't hold a lead this season.  I'm not sure they'd do that if they thought his attitude, rather than, say, his tendinitis were causing his problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to make sure that I hadn&#8217;t missed any word-of-mouth stories about him throwing a cherry bomb into Leyland&#8217;s toilet.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to start an argument about whether you can really know someone&#8217;s attitude from how they look while they play, because that strikes me as a religious question &#8212; either you believe you can or you believe you can&#8217;t, and there isn&#8217;t much point in arguing it either way.  </p>
<p>I will say that it doesn&#8217;t seem like the team thinks he has an attitude problem:  Dombrowski has dealt quickly with clubhouse malingerers so far in his tenure as GM (DY got his walking papers last year in the middle of a pennant race; Urbina was dealt quickly after his fight.  He didn&#8217;t tolerate Weaver showing up his teammates for long, either).  Rodney, on the other hand, continues to get the ball in key situations, despite all evidence that he can&#8217;t hold a lead this season.  I&#8217;m not sure they&#8217;d do that if they thought his attitude, rather than, say, his tendinitis were causing his problems.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/tigers-trade-for-jose-capellan/#comment-58612</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate:

Perception on the mound, mostly.  He looks absolutley miserable everytime he pitches, like it's the last place on earth he'd rather be.

I don't recall who it was -- I think either Joe Morgan or some other announcer -- even made mention of it last time Rodney pitched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate:</p>
<p>Perception on the mound, mostly.  He looks absolutley miserable everytime he pitches, like it&#8217;s the last place on earth he&#8217;d rather be.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall who it was &#8212; I think either Joe Morgan or some other announcer &#8212; even made mention of it last time Rodney pitched.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Wagner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 18:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’ve seen more and more references to Rodney’s “bad attitude” on this site and other Tiger forums. On what are people basing this charge? Are there any actual incidents, or complaints from teammates about Rodney? Or is this just an impression that people get from his demeanor on the mound?"

some perceived sense of intuition; no; no; I guess</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve seen more and more references to Rodney’s “bad attitude” on this site and other Tiger forums. On what are people basing this charge? Are there any actual incidents, or complaints from teammates about Rodney? Or is this just an impression that people get from his demeanor on the mound?&#8221;</p>
<p>some perceived sense of intuition; no; no; I guess</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/tigers-trade-for-jose-capellan/#comment-58610</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I see parallels to Rodney, both in stuff (pre-TJ) and attitude (sucks).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I've seen more and more references to Rodney's "bad attitude" on this site and other Tiger forums.  On what are people basing this charge?  Are there any actual incidents, or complaints from teammates about Rodney? Or is this just an impression that people get from his demeanor on the mound?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I see parallels to Rodney, both in stuff (pre-TJ) and attitude (sucks).</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen more and more references to Rodney&#8217;s &#8220;bad attitude&#8221; on this site and other Tiger forums.  On what are people basing this charge?  Are there any actual incidents, or complaints from teammates about Rodney? Or is this just an impression that people get from his demeanor on the mound?</p>
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		<title>By: Coach Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if Grilli will be the man to go.  By trading a finesse pitcher for a fireballer, DD remains consistent with his style.  Grilli usually tops 95, so I expect him to stick around.

De La Cruz was sent to the minors.  No surprise there.

When will "Gates" Colon get released?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if Grilli will be the man to go.  By trading a finesse pitcher for a fireballer, DD remains consistent with his style.  Grilli usually tops 95, so I expect him to stick around.</p>
<p>De La Cruz was sent to the minors.  No surprise there.</p>
<p>When will &#8220;Gates&#8221; Colon get released?</p>
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		<title>By: Coach Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Farnsworth was traded:

February 9, 2005: Traded by the Chicago Cubs to the Detroit Tigers for Roberto Novoa, Scott Moore, and Bo Flowers (minors). 

The reason middle relief is so spotty is because of the inconsistent situations.  Sometimes guys are brought in when the score is out of hand and told "just throw strikes" to get the game over.  Hence, they will give up more hits and their stats will suffer.  Closers and setters generally don't have to deal with this.

I'd like to see ERA when the game is within 3 runs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Farnsworth was traded:</p>
<p>February 9, 2005: Traded by the Chicago Cubs to the Detroit Tigers for Roberto Novoa, Scott Moore, and Bo Flowers (minors). </p>
<p>The reason middle relief is so spotty is because of the inconsistent situations.  Sometimes guys are brought in when the score is out of hand and told &#8220;just throw strikes&#8221; to get the game over.  Hence, they will give up more hits and their stats will suffer.  Closers and setters generally don&#8217;t have to deal with this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see ERA when the game is within 3 runs.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't remember any mid-season trade for a middle reliever ever being a blockbuster or really working out well for the Tigers.  
Can anyone think of an example with another team?  Mid-relief is so spotty and almost impossible to forecast success.  
Look at the Orioles with Jamie Walker...all the analysts gave them rave reviews for "shoring up their bullpen"  But Walker hasn't been as good this year as he was last (a common theme in mid relief).  
Was Farnsworth a trade or a signing?  I don't remember him lighting it up for the Braves after the Tigers traded him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t remember any mid-season trade for a middle reliever ever being a blockbuster or really working out well for the Tigers.<br />
Can anyone think of an example with another team?  Mid-relief is so spotty and almost impossible to forecast success.<br />
Look at the Orioles with Jamie Walker&#8230;all the analysts gave them rave reviews for &#8220;shoring up their bullpen&#8221;  But Walker hasn&#8217;t been as good this year as he was last (a common theme in mid relief).<br />
Was Farnsworth a trade or a signing?  I don&#8217;t remember him lighting it up for the Braves after the Tigers traded him.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see parallels to Rodney, both in stuff (pre-TJ) and attitude (sucks).  

Let's not stomp a guy simply because he has a 100mph fastball and was stuck behind two of the best relievers around in Turnbow and Cordero.

I like it.  All he needs is a little Chuck H., and he'll be fine.

Truthfully, anything other than Jason "Get Me Off The" Grilli is a serious upgrade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see parallels to Rodney, both in stuff (pre-TJ) and attitude (sucks).  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not stomp a guy simply because he has a 100mph fastball and was stuck behind two of the best relievers around in Turnbow and Cordero.</p>
<p>I like it.  All he needs is a little Chuck H., and he&#8217;ll be fine.</p>
<p>Truthfully, anything other than Jason &#8220;Get Me Off The&#8221; Grilli is a serious upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capellan has potential. He's 25 and at the ML level. Cody is a soft tosser with advanced command who is       ting low A hitters like Jon Connolly once did. Cody is a very similar pitcher. Capellan may be good and may not, but he will likely be better than Grilli or Maroth. The bullpen is         us. Good trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capellan has potential. He&#8217;s 25 and at the ML level. Cody is a soft tosser with advanced command who is       ting low A hitters like Jon Connolly once did. Cody is a very similar pitcher. Capellan may be good and may not, but he will likely be better than Grilli or Maroth. The bullpen is         us. Good trade.</p>
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