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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-63844</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding On Bullpen Help, but it&#039;s just my opinion, which could be wrong :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, that I could not agree with you in 100% regarding On Bullpen Help, but it&#8217;s just my opinion, which could be wrong <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Walt</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61288</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that the Tigs are interested in bringing back Farnsworth according to Yahoo MLB rumor section.  If we can get as good of a deal as we got with Sheff, we can&#039;t go wrong assuming he takes Grilli&#039;s spot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the Tigs are interested in bringing back Farnsworth according to Yahoo MLB rumor section.  If we can get as good of a deal as we got with Sheff, we can&#8217;t go wrong assuming he takes Grilli&#8217;s spot.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61272</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[preemptive apology for caps]
HAPPY NINTH ANNIVERSARY OF NEIFI PEREZ HITTING FOR THE CYCLE.
[no, it really happened]</description>
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HAPPY NINTH ANNIVERSARY OF NEIFI PEREZ HITTING FOR THE CYCLE.<br />
[no, it really happened]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61269</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Kenny is coming off injury, but anyone thinking we were going to get what he gave us last season is just fooling themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Kenny is coming off injury, but anyone thinking we were going to get what he gave us last season is just fooling themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61268</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Brewers just got absolutely fleeced by the San Diego Padres.

This is what I want to avoid. They dumped a kid named Will Inman, who&#039;s a top 10 pitcher in all of the minor leagues right now, along with 2 other throw in prospects, for Scott Linebrink. Kevin Towers just robbed the Brewers at gun point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Brewers just got absolutely fleeced by the San Diego Padres.</p>
<p>This is what I want to avoid. They dumped a kid named Will Inman, who&#8217;s a top 10 pitcher in all of the minor leagues right now, along with 2 other throw in prospects, for Scott Linebrink. Kevin Towers just robbed the Brewers at gun point.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61262</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the dude&#039;s comes back from a dislocated finger and is lights out, well, that would be miraculous.  

All injuries are different, but look at the way Maroth came back last year and look how Rogers has pitched coming back this year. It&#039;s delusional if we think he&#039;s stepping right back in as a crack set-up man in 07.

Then again, we don&#039;t have a set-up man now. Maybe Zumaya with only four completely working fingers will be an improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the dude&#8217;s comes back from a dislocated finger and is lights out, well, that would be miraculous.  </p>
<p>All injuries are different, but look at the way Maroth came back last year and look how Rogers has pitched coming back this year. It&#8217;s delusional if we think he&#8217;s stepping right back in as a crack set-up man in 07.</p>
<p>Then again, we don&#8217;t have a set-up man now. Maybe Zumaya with only four completely working fingers will be an improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61257</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, nobody can say how Zumaya will be when he comes back. It&#039;s not a miraculous comeback, as Stephen said. It&#039;s just an unknown. Maybe he&#039;s Zoomer. Maybe he&#039;s average. You have to plan for the latter and hope for the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, nobody can say how Zumaya will be when he comes back. It&#8217;s not a miraculous comeback, as Stephen said. It&#8217;s just an unknown. Maybe he&#8217;s Zoomer. Maybe he&#8217;s average. You have to plan for the latter and hope for the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61238</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;miraculous comeback&quot;, you mean &quot;scheduled comeback&quot;, right Stephen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;miraculous comeback&#8221;, you mean &#8220;scheduled comeback&#8221;, right Stephen?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to return to the other thread, but i was literally saying a guy like Dotel can make a 2-3 game difference down the stretch, which could be the difference between making it and not making it--and that the added depth of someone like Dotel helps us make the playoffs which once you&#039;re there gives you a fighting chance to win the world series. Make a trade don&#039;t make a trade--we can argue this to the cows come home--, but unless we acquire a solid reliever OR Zumaya makes a miraculous comeback, this team isn&#039;t gonna go far in the playoffs, much less the world series. I can&#039;t remember who made the comparison of the &#039;06 Red Sox to the &#039;07 Tigers, but I&#039;ve made it before and it&#039;s apt here.  T Smith is right, you have this starting five and mega offense it&#039;d be a shame to waste it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to return to the other thread, but i was literally saying a guy like Dotel can make a 2-3 game difference down the stretch, which could be the difference between making it and not making it&#8211;and that the added depth of someone like Dotel helps us make the playoffs which once you&#8217;re there gives you a fighting chance to win the world series. Make a trade don&#8217;t make a trade&#8211;we can argue this to the cows come home&#8211;, but unless we acquire a solid reliever OR Zumaya makes a miraculous comeback, this team isn&#8217;t gonna go far in the playoffs, much less the world series. I can&#8217;t remember who made the comparison of the &#8216;06 Red Sox to the &#8216;07 Tigers, but I&#8217;ve made it before and it&#8217;s apt here.  T Smith is right, you have this starting five and mega offense it&#8217;d be a shame to waste it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff M</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61216</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;By currently constructed, I mean without Zumaya and Rodney.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But &quot;as currently constructed&quot;, the the team &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; include Zoom and &#039;Nando. We own the rights to them. If they return to form, we get &#039;em. We&#039;re going down the stretch run with a bunch of mediocre relievers, we&#039;re going down the stretch run with a bunch of mediocre relievers &lt;b&gt;plus&lt;/b&gt; a couple coinflip chances at adding up to two relievers with so much talent they could easily outperform anyone you might pick up via trades. 

There are no guarantees, of course, but the expected value of the bullpen come October is significantly higher than the expected value of the bullpen now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>By currently constructed, I mean without Zumaya and Rodney.</p></blockquote>
<p>But &#8220;as currently constructed&#8221;, the the team <em>does</em> include Zoom and &#8216;Nando. We own the rights to them. If they return to form, we get &#8216;em. We&#8217;re going down the stretch run with a bunch of mediocre relievers, we&#8217;re going down the stretch run with a bunch of mediocre relievers <b>plus</b> a couple coinflip chances at adding up to two relievers with so much talent they could easily outperform anyone you might pick up via trades. </p>
<p>There are no guarantees, of course, but the expected value of the bullpen come October is significantly higher than the expected value of the bullpen now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Nashville</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61195</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Nashville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nate...you didn&#039;t offend me at all bud....I was just breaking your you know whats because I thought you were breaking my you know whats....no worries.  I guess sarcasm doesn&#039;t show up well in this format.  The boys are raking tonight......I totally agree with Bilfer by the way...I think this team right now can win the whole thing.  Since I have the EI package, I get other teams broadcasts a lot of the time, especially on the road, and every single broadcast team says that the Tigers are either a top 5 team in the league or the best team.  I HATE Hawk Harrelson and DJ for the WhiteSox, but they just came from Boston and compared the BoSox to the Tigers and they both said the Tigers were the superior team...and I agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nate&#8230;you didn&#8217;t offend me at all bud&#8230;.I was just breaking your you know whats because I thought you were breaking my you know whats&#8230;.no worries.  I guess sarcasm doesn&#8217;t show up well in this format.  The boys are raking tonight&#8230;&#8230;I totally agree with Bilfer by the way&#8230;I think this team right now can win the whole thing.  Since I have the EI package, I get other teams broadcasts a lot of the time, especially on the road, and every single broadcast team says that the Tigers are either a top 5 team in the league or the best team.  I HATE Hawk Harrelson and DJ for the WhiteSox, but they just came from Boston and compared the BoSox to the Tigers and they both said the Tigers were the superior team&#8230;and I agree.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61189</link>
		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of the above sounds like fantasy baseball. I still believe that this team, as constructed , will take us to the promise land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the above sounds like fantasy baseball. I still believe that this team, as constructed , will take us to the promise land.</p>
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		<title>By: billfer</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61181</link>
		<dc:creator>billfer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith - it&#039;s not ideal but they can get by with it.  And I did like what I saw from Capellan so the Tigers may already have the pieces if they put the right ones on the roster.

As for Rodney/Zumaya, I do think expect that the Tigers will get a positive contribution from 1 of the 2 down the stretch.  If they get both back and healthy it&#039;s a bonus.  

As an aside, what do you think the odds are that if the Tigers trade for someone, Grilli is the one jettisoned?  Not what you want to happen, what you think will happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith &#8211; it&#8217;s not ideal but they can get by with it.  And I did like what I saw from Capellan so the Tigers may already have the pieces if they put the right ones on the roster.</p>
<p>As for Rodney/Zumaya, I do think expect that the Tigers will get a positive contribution from 1 of the 2 down the stretch.  If they get both back and healthy it&#8217;s a bonus.  </p>
<p>As an aside, what do you think the odds are that if the Tigers trade for someone, Grilli is the one jettisoned?  Not what you want to happen, what you think will happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt in ATL</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61153</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt in ATL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 01:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pitching and defense win championships.  We do not have a dominant starter as of late ( too many walks, hit batters, wild pitches).  The bullpen is a freakin joke, a 6 run lead in the 7th is not safe.  Rodney coming back is a joke as he is awful as well.  Play for now!!!! Make a move!! Who cares if you finish with a winning record.  I can name the WS Champs over the last 20 years but would be stumped trying to name those that &quot;played well&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pitching and defense win championships.  We do not have a dominant starter as of late ( too many walks, hit batters, wild pitches).  The bullpen is a freakin joke, a 6 run lead in the 7th is not safe.  Rodney coming back is a joke as he is awful as well.  Play for now!!!! Make a move!! Who cares if you finish with a winning record.  I can name the WS Champs over the last 20 years but would be stumped trying to name those that &#8220;played well&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/on-bullpen-help/#comment-61136</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If we stand pat, we win 93/94 games which 60-40 gets us in. and gives us a 01-99 chance at a word series championship.

We pick up a guy like Dotel we win 97 games which 100% gets us in. And gives us a 50-50 chance at winning the world series.&quot;

How in the hell does that make sense to you? Please explain how once we&#039;re already in the playoffs...our regular season wins matter? 

Trade Maybin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If we stand pat, we win 93/94 games which 60-40 gets us in. and gives us a 01-99 chance at a word series championship.</p>
<p>We pick up a guy like Dotel we win 97 games which 100% gets us in. And gives us a 50-50 chance at winning the world series.&#8221;</p>
<p>How in the hell does that make sense to you? Please explain how once we&#8217;re already in the playoffs&#8230;our regular season wins matter? </p>
<p>Trade Maybin</p>
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