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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60769</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 18:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike R -- and anybody else following the trade rumors:

What are your thoughts on Brad Lidge?  Sifting from the rumor mill, acquiring Lidge looks like a deal DD is trying to make</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike R &#8212; and anybody else following the trade rumors:</p>
<p>What are your thoughts on Brad Lidge?  Sifting from the rumor mill, acquiring Lidge looks like a deal DD is trying to make</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60767</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that Nats are looking at Jurrjens is interesting.  Although, as far as I understand it, Bowden is extremely hard to deal with.  I can&#039;t even imagine what he would expect in return for Cordero.  

By the way, what is the &quot;smart&quot; scouting report/general opinion on Cordero?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Nats are looking at Jurrjens is interesting.  Although, as far as I understand it, Bowden is extremely hard to deal with.  I can&#8217;t even imagine what he would expect in return for Cordero.  </p>
<p>By the way, what is the &#8220;smart&#8221; scouting report/general opinion on Cordero?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60763</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a rumors-type section of the site would be handy. I like discussing trades/rumors/etc and would like to see what others here have to say about certain things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a rumors-type section of the site would be handy. I like discussing trades/rumors/etc and would like to see what others here have to say about certain things.</p>
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		<title>By: Coach Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coach Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you suppose we could have a separate place to post discussions like this versus posts like &quot;nice pitch&quot; during the game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you suppose we could have a separate place to post discussions like this versus posts like &#8220;nice pitch&#8221; during the game?</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60761</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the double post -- I must be emphatic about that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the double post &#8212; I must be emphatic about that one.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60760</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADR:

I hear your drums.  But until we hear &quot;Jones is going on the DL with a tired-arm...&quot; (only likey after surrendering a consecutive string of embarrassing blown saves -- due to the injury, of course)... you&#039;re just gonna have to endure some unenjoyable ninth innings.  I don&#039;t see any moves to replace the closer.  

That said, if the Tigers ever DID make such a bold move, bet the farm that an injury will be involved.

I think the main focus should be to bolster the setup guys, and if Zumaya and/or Rodney comes back to form, consider it a bonus.  Then, if Jones does fall off the mound to the point where a move has to be made, you can always re-shuffle within the ranks with what you got.

It&#039;s not ideal, but the reality is, it&#039;s July 23rd, a seller&#039;s market, and not much out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADR:</p>
<p>I hear your drums.  But until we hear &#8220;Jones is going on the DL with a tired-arm&#8230;&#8221; (only likey after surrendering a consecutive string of embarrassing blown saves &#8212; due to the injury, of course)&#8230; you&#8217;re just gonna have to endure some unenjoyable ninth innings.  I don&#8217;t see any moves to replace the closer.  </p>
<p>That said, if the Tigers ever DID make such a bold move, bet the farm that an injury will be involved.</p>
<p>I think the main focus should be to bolster the setup guys, and if Zumaya and/or Rodney comes back to form, consider it a bonus.  Then, if Jones does fall off the mound to the point where a move has to be made, you can always re-shuffle within the ranks with what you got.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not ideal, but the reality is, it&#8217;s July 23rd, a seller&#8217;s market, and not much out there.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60759</link>
		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADR:

I hear your drums.  But until we hear &quot;Jones is going on the DL with a tired-arm...&quot; (only likey after surrendering a consecutive string of embarrassing blown saves -- due to the injury, of course)... you&#039;re just gonna have to endure some unenjoyable ninth innings.  I don&#039;t see any moves to replace the closer.  

That said, if the Tigers ever DID make such a bold move, bet the farm that an injury will be involved.

I think the main focus should be to bolster the setup guys, and if Zumaya and/or Rodney comes back to form, consider it a bonus.  Then, if Jones does fall off the mound to the point where a move has to be made, you can always re-shuffle within the ranks with what you got.

It&#039;s not ideal, but the reality is, it&#039;s July 23rd, a seller&#039;s maket, and not much out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADR:</p>
<p>I hear your drums.  But until we hear &#8220;Jones is going on the DL with a tired-arm&#8230;&#8221; (only likey after surrendering a consecutive string of embarrassing blown saves &#8212; due to the injury, of course)&#8230; you&#8217;re just gonna have to endure some unenjoyable ninth innings.  I don&#8217;t see any moves to replace the closer.  </p>
<p>That said, if the Tigers ever DID make such a bold move, bet the farm that an injury will be involved.</p>
<p>I think the main focus should be to bolster the setup guys, and if Zumaya and/or Rodney comes back to form, consider it a bonus.  Then, if Jones does fall off the mound to the point where a move has to be made, you can always re-shuffle within the ranks with what you got.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not ideal, but the reality is, it&#8217;s July 23rd, a seller&#8217;s maket, and not much out there.</p>
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		<title>By: ADR</title>
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		<dc:creator>ADR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I&#039;ll say in addition on Jones is this - we don&#039;t win it all without a serious addition to the BP IMHO.  

If you guys think Jones is sufficient, you&#039;re entitled to your opinion and I&#039;ll be happy to be proven wrong when all is said and done.  

All I know for sure is that I hate watching him pitch because in my gut I never feel ANY lead is big enough with him, and therefore don&#039;t enjoy watching even when its one, two, three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;ll say in addition on Jones is this &#8211; we don&#8217;t win it all without a serious addition to the BP IMHO.  </p>
<p>If you guys think Jones is sufficient, you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion and I&#8217;ll be happy to be proven wrong when all is said and done.  </p>
<p>All I know for sure is that I hate watching him pitch because in my gut I never feel ANY lead is big enough with him, and therefore don&#8217;t enjoy watching even when its one, two, three.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60752</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I&#039;m posting a lot, but I just read an article online in the Washington Post that says he&#039;s under contract through 2009. So, I&#039;m not sure which one is it, but if he&#039;s under contract through 09 that&#039;d be a great pick up. He also said in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902591.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article&lt;/a&gt; he said he&#039;d be willing to change roles.

&quot;Cordero said yesterday that he was open to changing roles.

&#039;I&#039;ll do whatever the manager wants me to do,&#039; Cordero said. &#039;If they want me to close, if they want me to be a seventh- or eighth-inning guy, whatever they want me to do.&#039;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I&#8217;m posting a lot, but I just read an article online in the Washington Post that says he&#8217;s under contract through 2009. So, I&#8217;m not sure which one is it, but if he&#8217;s under contract through 09 that&#8217;d be a great pick up. He also said in <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902591.html" rel="nofollow">the article</a> he said he&#8217;d be willing to change roles.</p>
<p>&#8220;Cordero said yesterday that he was open to changing roles.</p>
<p>&#8216;I&#8217;ll do whatever the manager wants me to do,&#8217; Cordero said. &#8216;If they want me to close, if they want me to be a seventh- or eighth-inning guy, whatever they want me to do.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60751</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-96-royals-at-tigers/#comment-60751</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070721&amp;content_id=2100356&amp;vkey=news_was&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=was&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This article&lt;/a&gt; from the Washington Nationals website says the Nats are looking to move some pieces. It also says that the Nats were openly scouting Erie. i would definitely be down for any combination of Jurrjens/Trahern/Larish/whoever else on Erie&#039;s roster for Chad Cordero, even if he is a FA at the end of the year. If we don&#039;t resign him, no big deal, we&#039;d get probably type B draft compensation for him, which is good compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070721&amp;content_id=2100356&amp;vkey=news_was&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=was" rel="nofollow">This article</a> from the Washington Nationals website says the Nats are looking to move some pieces. It also says that the Nats were openly scouting Erie. i would definitely be down for any combination of Jurrjens/Trahern/Larish/whoever else on Erie&#8217;s roster for Chad Cordero, even if he is a FA at the end of the year. If we don&#8217;t resign him, no big deal, we&#8217;d get probably type B draft compensation for him, which is good compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you guys think it&#039;d take to get Isringhausen from the Cards? There&#039;s talks if the Cardinals have a back week or so and fall out of the race even more, they could unload him as they have in house replacements that could take over. He&#039;d have about half of his $8.75 million salary left for us to pay this year, and a player option for next season at $8 Million with a $1.25 million buyout clause. With attendance through the roof and only getting better (a ton of series down the line are sold out) our payroll has the flexibility to jump to top 5 in baseball if need be, so the cost isn&#039;t a problem.

So who do you think it&#039;d take to get Izzy and what would you guys give up to get him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you guys think it&#8217;d take to get Isringhausen from the Cards? There&#8217;s talks if the Cardinals have a back week or so and fall out of the race even more, they could unload him as they have in house replacements that could take over. He&#8217;d have about half of his $8.75 million salary left for us to pay this year, and a player option for next season at $8 Million with a $1.25 million buyout clause. With attendance through the roof and only getting better (a ton of series down the line are sold out) our payroll has the flexibility to jump to top 5 in baseball if need be, so the cost isn&#8217;t a problem.</p>
<p>So who do you think it&#8217;d take to get Izzy and what would you guys give up to get him?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 04:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T Smith: I agree with all you just said. Pretty much sums it up.

I also agree with Billfer on Todd Jones. The size of the lead doesn&#039;t have anything to do with anything; striking out only 11.9% of hitters, does. He&#039;s a contact pitcher who&#039;s been successful because he normally doesn&#039;t walk hitters -- which was his problem early in the year.

Brandon Inge has struck out in 16 of his last 17 games. 8 of those games, he&#039;s K&#039;d twice. His longest stretch without striking out was 11 AB&#039;s in a row, from April 29th-May 2nd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T Smith: I agree with all you just said. Pretty much sums it up.</p>
<p>I also agree with Billfer on Todd Jones. The size of the lead doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with anything; striking out only 11.9% of hitters, does. He&#8217;s a contact pitcher who&#8217;s been successful because he normally doesn&#8217;t walk hitters &#8212; which was his problem early in the year.</p>
<p>Brandon Inge has struck out in 16 of his last 17 games. 8 of those games, he&#8217;s K&#8217;d twice. His longest stretch without striking out was 11 AB&#8217;s in a row, from April 29th-May 2nd.</p>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 03:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it&#039;s time to move on.  This is actually a &quot;real&quot; loss...  the kind of loss you have little gripe with.  The Tigers were out-pitched, out-hit, out-managed, out-played (as Leyland would say).  

The thing is:

To make room for these kind of losses, which are inevitable, you have to finish the games you&#039;re supposed to win.  It&#039;s actually kind of refreshing to just endure a loss as a loss, instead of one of the more frustrating losses (which of late have seemed much more prevelant) of a blown game variety, or a loss due to some ridiculous, avoidable twist of luck/fate/unfortuante circumstance/sub-par bullpen performance.

I have no problem losing this series.  If every game this team loses, from this point forward, were of a similar vein, I feel fine about this team.  I feel confident this team wins 100+ games this year and represents the AL in the classic.

That doesn&#039;t mean I&#039;m advocating we skate into post-trade season without doing anything to bolster the pen, as, unfortuately, I don&#039;t see the picture playing out quite that favorably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it&#8217;s time to move on.  This is actually a &#8220;real&#8221; loss&#8230;  the kind of loss you have little gripe with.  The Tigers were out-pitched, out-hit, out-managed, out-played (as Leyland would say).  </p>
<p>The thing is:</p>
<p>To make room for these kind of losses, which are inevitable, you have to finish the games you&#8217;re supposed to win.  It&#8217;s actually kind of refreshing to just endure a loss as a loss, instead of one of the more frustrating losses (which of late have seemed much more prevelant) of a blown game variety, or a loss due to some ridiculous, avoidable twist of luck/fate/unfortuante circumstance/sub-par bullpen performance.</p>
<p>I have no problem losing this series.  If every game this team loses, from this point forward, were of a similar vein, I feel fine about this team.  I feel confident this team wins 100+ games this year and represents the AL in the classic.</p>
<p>That doesn&#8217;t mean I&#8217;m advocating we skate into post-trade season without doing anything to bolster the pen, as, unfortuately, I don&#8217;t see the picture playing out quite that favorably.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No biggie.  I can live with this clunker of a weekend.  After taking two out of three from CLE, sweeping BOS, splitting four @ SEA at a time when Seattle had won 16 out of 21 heading into the series, and then sweeping the Twins @ MIN I can live with dropping two out of three at home to KC.  Its human nature to have a letdown after a tough stretch of games in which the team went 10-3 against other AL playoff-quality teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No biggie.  I can live with this clunker of a weekend.  After taking two out of three from CLE, sweeping BOS, splitting four @ SEA at a time when Seattle had won 16 out of 21 heading into the series, and then sweeping the Twins @ MIN I can live with dropping two out of three at home to KC.  Its human nature to have a letdown after a tough stretch of games in which the team went 10-3 against other AL playoff-quality teams.</p>
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		<title>By: ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2007 00:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t blame Jones for this loss. Let&#039;s see who is it ? Nate? Monroe? .600 [win 3 out of 5]. We&#039;re on track for 96 wins. On to Chicago. Go Tigers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t blame Jones for this loss. Let&#8217;s see who is it ? Nate? Monroe? .600 [win 3 out of 5]. We&#8217;re on track for 96 wins. On to Chicago. Go Tigers.</p>
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