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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-80-twins-at-tigers/#comment-58609</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to complete my posting on this subject, Adrian Gonzalez was being blocked by Mark Teixeira, who was much better at the time. Gonzalez had trouble sticking with any team (either florida or Texas) and finally came into his own last year with the Padres, at the age of 25, 6 years after he had been drafted. It&#039;s not like they gave up, at the time, a Maybin-like prospect. Something we wouldn&#039;t have to do, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to complete my posting on this subject, Adrian Gonzalez was being blocked by Mark Teixeira, who was much better at the time. Gonzalez had trouble sticking with any team (either florida or Texas) and finally came into his own last year with the Padres, at the age of 25, 6 years after he had been drafted. It&#8217;s not like they gave up, at the time, a Maybin-like prospect. Something we wouldn&#8217;t have to do, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And in his 2 seasons in Texas, 74.4% of the time the batter either strikes out or hits a ground ball when facing Otsuka.

Over that same time period, compared to Jose Capellan and Todd Jones:

Capellan: 59.03% And this is including his Triple-A numbers.

Jones: 60.9%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in his 2 seasons in Texas, 74.4% of the time the batter either strikes out or hits a ground ball when facing Otsuka.</p>
<p>Over that same time period, compared to Jose Capellan and Todd Jones:</p>
<p>Capellan: 59.03% And this is including his Triple-A numbers.</p>
<p>Jones: 60.9%.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-80-twins-at-tigers/#comment-58607</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a reason we got Capellan for Chris Cody. Capellan is not a quality major league pitcher. He was once a top 100 prospect and has since fallen off in Atlanta and Milwaukee. You know who else went this route? Roman Colon. So Capellan isn&#039;t the answer in Detroit and this is just taking a chance on really nothing. Worst comes to worst, he&#039;s a fill in on the Toledo roster. Hence why he&#039;s still going to be in Triple-A in the Tigers system.

And the trade to get Otsuka wasn&#039;t that bad. It was Adrian Gonzalez, who the Marlins completely gave up on, so the Rangers weren&#039;t the first, and Chris Young in which he had a 4.26 ERA; a bit below league average.  And him moving to the JV league of baseball certainly helps. Oh, and the fact that he&#039;s in one of the best pitching parks in baseball. When he&#039;s on the road, Young&#039;s oppenents BA goes up 63 points, his ERA jumps nearly 3 full runs and in 9 road starts he&#039;s given up 18 earned runs compared to just 5 in his home starts.

Chris Young is not as good as he&#039;s being percieved to be. He&#039;s an above average pitcher, but tops out as a No. 2 at the absolute best. So, again, that was not a terrible deal for a guy who has saved 36 games in less then 2 years despite not being the full time closer there for more then half a season.

Oh, and since he&#039;s got such a &quot;low&quot; K/9, he&#039;s also got WHIP&#039;s of 1.073 and 1.082 while pitching in the band box that is Arlington, Texas. And he&#039;s only allowed 3 HR&#039;s in 97 appearances with the Rangers. I don&#039;t get your notion that Otsuka is not good. He&#039;ll require much less then what Eric Gagne will bring them. Oh, and the fact that we&#039;re not on Gagne&#039;s list of teams he can be traded two without consulting him and he probably wouldn&#039;t waive his no trade clause to come here, especially since there are rumors of Boston, a place he almost signed last year, are in the hunt to grab him for their bullpen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a reason we got Capellan for Chris Cody. Capellan is not a quality major league pitcher. He was once a top 100 prospect and has since fallen off in Atlanta and Milwaukee. You know who else went this route? Roman Colon. So Capellan isn&#8217;t the answer in Detroit and this is just taking a chance on really nothing. Worst comes to worst, he&#8217;s a fill in on the Toledo roster. Hence why he&#8217;s still going to be in Triple-A in the Tigers system.</p>
<p>And the trade to get Otsuka wasn&#8217;t that bad. It was Adrian Gonzalez, who the Marlins completely gave up on, so the Rangers weren&#8217;t the first, and Chris Young in which he had a 4.26 ERA; a bit below league average.  And him moving to the JV league of baseball certainly helps. Oh, and the fact that he&#8217;s in one of the best pitching parks in baseball. When he&#8217;s on the road, Young&#8217;s oppenents BA goes up 63 points, his ERA jumps nearly 3 full runs and in 9 road starts he&#8217;s given up 18 earned runs compared to just 5 in his home starts.</p>
<p>Chris Young is not as good as he&#8217;s being percieved to be. He&#8217;s an above average pitcher, but tops out as a No. 2 at the absolute best. So, again, that was not a terrible deal for a guy who has saved 36 games in less then 2 years despite not being the full time closer there for more then half a season.</p>
<p>Oh, and since he&#8217;s got such a &#8220;low&#8221; K/9, he&#8217;s also got WHIP&#8217;s of 1.073 and 1.082 while pitching in the band box that is Arlington, Texas. And he&#8217;s only allowed 3 HR&#8217;s in 97 appearances with the Rangers. I don&#8217;t get your notion that Otsuka is not good. He&#8217;ll require much less then what Eric Gagne will bring them. Oh, and the fact that we&#8217;re not on Gagne&#8217;s list of teams he can be traded two without consulting him and he probably wouldn&#8217;t waive his no trade clause to come here, especially since there are rumors of Boston, a place he almost signed last year, are in the hunt to grab him for their bullpen.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
		<link>http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/07/game-80-twins-at-tigers/#comment-58599</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we could get Otsuka for Cody, or any similar deal, the deal would have been done weeks ago.

Getting a 35 yr old for a high-quality prospect, or two, or three, would be stupid.  What do you get when the groundballs stop happening?  Todd Jones.  I seriously don&#039;t want to mirror the trade Texas made to get Otsuka in the first place -- which has to rank as one of the worst in the last 5 years and is what they want to get in return.

K/9 is surely not a tell all stat, but it definitely has elevated value in a reliever vs. a starter.  But, BB are also magnified, and will be the primary hurdle that Capellan will need to clear if he is to stick in Detroit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we could get Otsuka for Cody, or any similar deal, the deal would have been done weeks ago.</p>
<p>Getting a 35 yr old for a high-quality prospect, or two, or three, would be stupid.  What do you get when the groundballs stop happening?  Todd Jones.  I seriously don&#8217;t want to mirror the trade Texas made to get Otsuka in the first place &#8212; which has to rank as one of the worst in the last 5 years and is what they want to get in return.</p>
<p>K/9 is surely not a tell all stat, but it definitely has elevated value in a reliever vs. a starter.  But, BB are also magnified, and will be the primary hurdle that Capellan will need to clear if he is to stick in Detroit.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 20:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twins = Charmed Leprechauns.</description>
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		<title>By: T Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>T Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thames has a home run every 16 at bats.  If he had as many plate appearances as Monroe, he&#039;d have 16 home runs right now, just a few behind Sheffield.

The LF move is a no-brainer.  I understand what Leyland is doing; but enough is enough.  I&#039;m not sure what Monroe&#039;s deal is, whether the Tigers have options, or what -- but if they do, they should option him to Toledo.  Let him work his way out of this horrendous slump batting for the Mud Hens, not the Tigers.  We&#039;re in a dog fight with Cleveland, and it is apparent the offense is coming down to earth.  We can&#039;t afford to experiment with Monroe too much more.  We need someone who is A) perceived as a continual threat in the spot regardless of what streak or slump he&#039;s in, B) provides more production, bottom line. What we do not need is someone who the pitcher can&#039;t wait to pitch to after pitching around the setup guy before you.   That&#039;s Neifi Perez territory.   We already got one of those on the team, we don&#039;t need another. 

Put Thames in LF, platoon him with Raburn if you like -- put Timo Perez in for all I care -- anybody but Monroe should in the lineup right now.  If Monroe can get his swing back and pull out of this funk by the time of the extended roster, by all means bring him back for the post season.  But right now, he belongs in Toledo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thames has a home run every 16 at bats.  If he had as many plate appearances as Monroe, he&#8217;d have 16 home runs right now, just a few behind Sheffield.</p>
<p>The LF move is a no-brainer.  I understand what Leyland is doing; but enough is enough.  I&#8217;m not sure what Monroe&#8217;s deal is, whether the Tigers have options, or what &#8212; but if they do, they should option him to Toledo.  Let him work his way out of this horrendous slump batting for the Mud Hens, not the Tigers.  We&#8217;re in a dog fight with Cleveland, and it is apparent the offense is coming down to earth.  We can&#8217;t afford to experiment with Monroe too much more.  We need someone who is A) perceived as a continual threat in the spot regardless of what streak or slump he&#8217;s in, B) provides more production, bottom line. What we do not need is someone who the pitcher can&#8217;t wait to pitch to after pitching around the setup guy before you.   That&#8217;s Neifi Perez territory.   We already got one of those on the team, we don&#8217;t need another. </p>
<p>Put Thames in LF, platoon him with Raburn if you like &#8212; put Timo Perez in for all I care &#8212; anybody but Monroe should in the lineup right now.  If Monroe can get his swing back and pull out of this funk by the time of the extended roster, by all means bring him back for the post season.  But right now, he belongs in Toledo.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Nashville</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris in Nashville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I&#039;ve tried to stick up for C-Mo on here, I think it&#039;s time to let Marcus be the every day LF for a few weeks.  We&#039;d lose a little defensively...but its time, C-Mo had his shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I&#8217;ve tried to stick up for C-Mo on here, I think it&#8217;s time to let Marcus be the every day LF for a few weeks.  We&#8217;d lose a little defensively&#8230;but its time, C-Mo had his shot.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, I have 5(five) tickets for the INDIANS/TIGERS series finale (Thursday) 1:05 pm start at Comerica.  The match up is of 2 All-Stars Carsten Charles Sabathia against Justin Verlander.  

The seats are in Section 105 (right behind MAGGS!); they also would come with Comerica Park Parking.  Anyone interested?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, I have 5(five) tickets for the INDIANS/TIGERS series finale (Thursday) 1:05 pm start at Comerica.  The match up is of 2 All-Stars Carsten Charles Sabathia against Justin Verlander.  </p>
<p>The seats are in Section 105 (right behind MAGGS!); they also would come with Comerica Park Parking.  Anyone interested?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otsuka makes $3 million as opposed to Gagne&#039;s $6 million. I&#039;ll take Otsuka holding opponents to a .277 slugging % for $3 million dollars. Oh, and he gets more ground balls then Capellan which is why Otsuka is wanted by a number of teams and Capellan was booted from the Brewers bullpen. If you&#039;re not going to K a ton of guys, you better get a good amount of GB&#039;s, which Otsuka does. Just because he&#039;s not K&#039;ing the side consistently doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s not dominant. We only need to look to Andrew Miller&#039;s numbers in Lakeland to start the year; low K totals relative to his talent, but he was getting 64% GB rate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otsuka makes $3 million as opposed to Gagne&#8217;s $6 million. I&#8217;ll take Otsuka holding opponents to a .277 slugging % for $3 million dollars. Oh, and he gets more ground balls then Capellan which is why Otsuka is wanted by a number of teams and Capellan was booted from the Brewers bullpen. If you&#8217;re not going to K a ton of guys, you better get a good amount of GB&#8217;s, which Otsuka does. Just because he&#8217;s not K&#8217;ing the side consistently doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s not dominant. We only need to look to Andrew Miller&#8217;s numbers in Lakeland to start the year; low K totals relative to his talent, but he was getting 64% GB rate.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see Cinci moving Griffey Jr. as he&#039;s pretty much the reason anyone goes to the games anymore. At least, I hope they don&#039;t move him before I go to a game later this month ;)

As for last night&#039;s game, on-field photo day had an enormous amount of people which made it very hard to get to see much. I think the line to get off the field was much longer than to get into the stadium.

It was also nice to see Carlos Guillen handle some hard hit balls without issue. Castillo for the Twins is also a heck of a shortstop, unfortunately the tigers kept hitting to him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see Cinci moving Griffey Jr. as he&#8217;s pretty much the reason anyone goes to the games anymore. At least, I hope they don&#8217;t move him before I go to a game later this month <img src='http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As for last night&#8217;s game, on-field photo day had an enormous amount of people which made it very hard to get to see much. I think the line to get off the field was much longer than to get into the stadium.</p>
<p>It was also nice to see Carlos Guillen handle some hard hit balls without issue. Castillo for the Twins is also a heck of a shortstop, unfortunately the tigers kept hitting to him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Billfer,

I agree about the singer, she was awesome. Does anyone have any more information on her?

-Sam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Billfer,</p>
<p>I agree about the singer, she was awesome. Does anyone have any more information on her?</p>
<p>-Sam</p>
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		<title>By: Bob S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Santana&#039;s the best pitcher in baseball,and their bullpen is superior to ours,but(notwithstanding a brilliant performance by Baker)the rest of their starters are suspect.In fact, it&#039;s arguable none of them would crack the Tigers rotation.
The Cincinnati Reds (a major league worst 31-51)fired their manager yesterday.When is it ok to start a Ken Griffey Jr. watch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Santana&#8217;s the best pitcher in baseball,and their bullpen is superior to ours,but(notwithstanding a brilliant performance by Baker)the rest of their starters are suspect.In fact, it&#8217;s arguable none of them would crack the Tigers rotation.<br />
The Cincinnati Reds (a major league worst 31-51)fired their manager yesterday.When is it ok to start a Ken Griffey Jr. watch?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This series confirmed it for me.

Playing the Twins is like facing a lineup of freaking leprechauns.  Seriously.  That team fields only FOUR positions players (Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Hunter) that&#039;d start on another MLB club.  Maybe Castillo, but he&#039;s in serious decline.  Punto, Ford, Bartlett, Kubel .. uh?  Tyner?  Puke.

And the luck of this club in this series.  Like in the 4th/5th(?) last night, when Cuddyer ends the bottom half by just putting his glove up -- did he even see the ball??  Then Castillo leads off with a charmed chopper that somehow clears Bondo, but dies before getting halfway to second. 

It seemed every opportunity the Twins had, they cashed in full.  Every opportunity the Tigers had, the wind or some ethereal force conspired against them.

Not to knock their pitching, it&#039;s definitely legit.  But, talk about outperforming, their lineup is due for some regression to the mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This series confirmed it for me.</p>
<p>Playing the Twins is like facing a lineup of freaking leprechauns.  Seriously.  That team fields only FOUR positions players (Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer, Hunter) that&#8217;d start on another MLB club.  Maybe Castillo, but he&#8217;s in serious decline.  Punto, Ford, Bartlett, Kubel .. uh?  Tyner?  Puke.</p>
<p>And the luck of this club in this series.  Like in the 4th/5th(?) last night, when Cuddyer ends the bottom half by just putting his glove up &#8212; did he even see the ball??  Then Castillo leads off with a charmed chopper that somehow clears Bondo, but dies before getting halfway to second. </p>
<p>It seemed every opportunity the Twins had, they cashed in full.  Every opportunity the Tigers had, the wind or some ethereal force conspired against them.</p>
<p>Not to knock their pitching, it&#8217;s definitely legit.  But, talk about outperforming, their lineup is due for some regression to the mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 13:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Otsuka is old, overpaid, and not worth the price in a trade.

His K/9 this year (~6.5/9), aren&#039;t any better than Capellan.  Not saying Otsuka isn&#039;t a good reliever, but he&#039;s no panacea for our woes.  Better health and the right pieces are our best bet, unless a steal presents itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Otsuka is old, overpaid, and not worth the price in a trade.</p>
<p>His K/9 this year (~6.5/9), aren&#8217;t any better than Capellan.  Not saying Otsuka isn&#8217;t a good reliever, but he&#8217;s no panacea for our woes.  Better health and the right pieces are our best bet, unless a steal presents itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 12:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, in a move that really doesn&#039;t have an impact on anything, the Tigers aquire RHP pitcher Jose Capellan from the Brewers for LHP Chris Cody.

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070701&amp;content_id=2059651&amp;vkey=news_det&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=det

Capellan still has a good arm but only had around a 7 K/9, and for his arm that&#039;s pretty meager. Cody was kind of old for his level and I doubt he&#039;s going to make an impact for the Brewers system. This is just aquiring another bullpen arm because we need to kick all tires possible and there isn&#039;t much out there that would provide a substantial upgrade after Gagne and Otsuka (I like our chances of landing Otsuka).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in a move that really doesn&#8217;t have an impact on anything, the Tigers aquire RHP pitcher Jose Capellan from the Brewers for LHP Chris Cody.</p>
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<p>Capellan still has a good arm but only had around a 7 K/9, and for his arm that&#8217;s pretty meager. Cody was kind of old for his level and I doubt he&#8217;s going to make an impact for the Brewers system. This is just aquiring another bullpen arm because we need to kick all tires possible and there isn&#8217;t much out there that would provide a substantial upgrade after Gagne and Otsuka (I like our chances of landing Otsuka).</p>
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