Comments on: Game 65: Brewers at Tigers http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/ News, views, and analysis on the Detroit Tigers and baseball Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:26:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Bob http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57449 Bob Fri, 15 Jun 2007 22:17:12 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57449 How is Jason Grilli not the losing pitcher of this game? The final score is 6-5 and he gave up the sixth and final run. How is Jason Grilli not the losing pitcher of this game? The final score is 6-5 and he gave up the sixth and final run.

]]> By: Mike R http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57447 Mike R Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:05:42 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57447 Billfer: I agree with your sentiments on Monroe. Defensively Thames everday in LF would be worse, but for a fraction of the cost and pretty much equal production power wise at the plate, I would've like to see Monroe get spun in the offseason in a deal. For some reason, though, this loss doesn't bother me all that much. More of one of those slap-your-head-and-get-frustrated-at-Leyland losses; not the end of the world. It wasn't to a division opponent (namely, cleveland). That and I like the Brewers and am looking forward to following Yovani Gallardo's start on Monday. The Brewers have been one of my favorite NL teams for a while. (Side note: Great stadium. Go if you have the chance. We sat behind home plate in the box seats last August against the Cardinals with a good mix of brewer/cards fans. Jenkins get's a base hit and some dude behind us stands up and yells "Trade him. The man finally has some freakin' value!". Made us chuckle. Good people in Milwaukee, too.) Those quotes are exactly what bugs me about Leyland. I'll take his motivation skills, though, for sure. Good link Walewander. Oh, and on the Leyland bringing winning baseball to Detroit, that's partly true. However, I give more credit to guys like Bonderman and Verlander putting it altogether. Lest we forget that Bob Cluck predicted that 2006 would be the year the young pitching staff put it together and made their biggest stride. Maybe Leyland got in at the cusp of a great run. I don't question how he handles the clubhouse or his motivation tactics, 2 of the 3 skills a manager needs. But honestly, with a night's sleep under me, it's a bad move but I don't know many managers that would've done much different. Most managers are bad tacticians, as stated in the thread walewander posted. Billfer: I agree with your sentiments on Monroe. Defensively Thames everday in LF would be worse, but for a fraction of the cost and pretty much equal production power wise at the plate, I would’ve like to see Monroe get spun in the offseason in a deal.

For some reason, though, this loss doesn’t bother me all that much. More of one of those slap-your-head-and-get-frustrated-at-Leyland losses; not the end of the world. It wasn’t to a division opponent (namely, cleveland). That and I like the Brewers and am looking forward to following Yovani Gallardo’s start on Monday. The Brewers have been one of my favorite NL teams for a while. (Side note: Great stadium. Go if you have the chance. We sat behind home plate in the box seats last August against the Cardinals with a good mix of brewer/cards fans. Jenkins get’s a base hit and some dude behind us stands up and yells “Trade him. The man finally has some freakin’ value!”. Made us chuckle. Good people in Milwaukee, too.)

Those quotes are exactly what bugs me about Leyland. I’ll take his motivation skills, though, for sure.

Good link Walewander.

Oh, and on the Leyland bringing winning baseball to Detroit, that’s partly true. However, I give more credit to guys like Bonderman and Verlander putting it altogether. Lest we forget that Bob Cluck predicted that 2006 would be the year the young pitching staff put it together and made their biggest stride. Maybe Leyland got in at the cusp of a great run. I don’t question how he handles the clubhouse or his motivation tactics, 2 of the 3 skills a manager needs. But honestly, with a night’s sleep under me, it’s a bad move but I don’t know many managers that would’ve done much different. Most managers are bad tacticians, as stated in the thread walewander posted.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57446 billfer Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:52:29 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57446 Thanks for posting that link Walewander. I saw that discussion this morning, and meant to drop it in here. I urge you (broader you, not Walewander you) to read comment #2 from MGL. One of the most accomplished and prominent sabermetricians. Thanks for posting that link Walewander. I saw that discussion this morning, and meant to drop it in here.

I urge you (broader you, not Walewander you) to read comment #2 from MGL. One of the most accomplished and prominent sabermetricians.

]]> By: Walewander http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57445 Walewander Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:30:01 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57445 "I actually thought he might run into a fastball" Well, it worked for Alexis Gomez. Is there anythought about packaging C-Mo and Maroth for a major upgrade in the pen or LF? Also, if you guys aren't sick of it yet, I posted a thread and my thoughts on Baseball Think Factory: http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/mlb_tigers_lose_mo_in_series_loss_to_brewers/ There's some interesting thoughts from fans not as close to the Tigers as us... “I actually thought he might run into a fastball”

Well, it worked for Alexis Gomez. Is there anythought about packaging C-Mo and Maroth for a major upgrade in the pen or LF?

Also, if you guys aren’t sick of it yet, I posted a thread and my thoughts on Baseball Think Factory:

http://www.baseballthinkfactor.....o_brewers/

There’s some interesting thoughts from fans not as close to the Tigers as us…

]]> By: jim-mt http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57443 jim-mt Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:12:26 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57443 I hope this bashing of Monroe is as effective as it was on Inge about 10 days ago. He really came around after we let him have it here. I hope this bashing of Monroe is as effective as it was on Inge about 10 days ago. He really came around after we let him have it here.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57442 Stephen Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:10:31 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57442 Some of my favorite Leyland quotes of the week: "Neifi Perez has been a good player for a long time, but he's not as good of a player as he used to be....But he's done a hell of a job if you think about it." Nope, thought about it a lot. Not done a helluva job. Last night: "If I've got to pinch-hit for Craig Monroe, we're in trouble." Yes, if you refuse to pinch-hit for him. Rabelo: "I actually thought he might run into a fastball." No comment.. Some of my favorite Leyland quotes of the week:

“Neifi Perez has been a good player for a long time, but he’s not as good of a player as he used to be….But he’s done a hell of a job if you think about it.”

Nope, thought about it a lot. Not done a helluva job.

Last night:
“If I’ve got to pinch-hit for Craig Monroe, we’re in trouble.”

Yes, if you refuse to pinch-hit for him.

Rabelo: “I actually thought he might run into a fastball.”

No comment..

]]> By: Jason http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57439 Jason Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:36:13 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57439 I am absolutely disgusted at the way the end of that game went down. First and third with 1 out, and you leave a guy in there that is 0-4 with 4 Ks, only to leave him in there to whiff again? Plus, they leave the backup catcher in there, when you have better options on your bench. Don't get me wrong, any of the guys on the bench could have failed just as easily, but I think THAT is what you have to find out. You have more than 10 guys on the roster for a reason... use them. I think Leyland messed up, I think our last two batters messed up. I think it is disgusting that we couldnt get 1 run in with a guy standing on third and 1 out. They didn't look like a team fighting for a division to me. I am more upset about this than the previous game for some reason. I am absolutely disgusted at the way the end of that game went down. First and third with 1 out, and you leave a guy in there that is 0-4 with 4 Ks, only to leave him in there to whiff again? Plus, they leave the backup catcher in there, when you have better options on your bench.

Don’t get me wrong, any of the guys on the bench could have failed just as easily, but I think THAT is what you have to find out. You have more than 10 guys on the roster for a reason… use them.

I think Leyland messed up, I think our last two batters messed up. I think it is disgusting that we couldnt get 1 run in with a guy standing on third and 1 out. They didn’t look like a team fighting for a division to me.

I am more upset about this than the previous game for some reason.

]]> By: billfer http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57438 billfer Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:00:30 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57438 I do think Monroe is a legit everyday starter. Not a star, or even necessarily average, but he's good enough defensively and hits for enough power. I was actually a proponent of Monroe up until this year when his contract went up over $4 million and Thames fills a very similar role for a fraction of that cost. Now that he's a year away from arbitration I don't think he's a fit for this team economically. At the same time, while he may be a Tiger again in 2008, he most certainly won't be in 2009 as a free agent and with Maybin hopefully ready to step in. I do think Monroe is a legit everyday starter. Not a star, or even necessarily average, but he’s good enough defensively and hits for enough power. I was actually a proponent of Monroe up until this year when his contract went up over $4 million and Thames fills a very similar role for a fraction of that cost. Now that he’s a year away from arbitration I don’t think he’s a fit for this team economically. At the same time, while he may be a Tiger again in 2008, he most certainly won’t be in 2009 as a free agent and with Maybin hopefully ready to step in.

]]> By: Anthony http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57437 Anthony Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:56:25 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57437 Dave Dombrowski brought winning baseball back to Detroit. All Leyland did was accelerate it. As long as Dombrowski is here, the Tigers will consistently win, even if he outlasts Leyland. Leyland hasn't directly cost the team more than a couple games, but there are plenty of occasions when he did not give the team the best chance to win, strategically. Not good. Dave Dombrowski brought winning baseball back to Detroit. All Leyland did was accelerate it. As long as Dombrowski is here, the Tigers will consistently win, even if he outlasts Leyland.

Leyland hasn’t directly cost the team more than a couple games, but there are plenty of occasions when he did not give the team the best chance to win, strategically. Not good.

]]> By: Kevin in Austin http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57436 Kevin in Austin Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:47:24 +0000 http://www.detroittigersweblog.com/2007/06/game-65-brewers-at-tigers/#comment-57436 Good discussion gents. I enjoyed the passion. Thanks for the effort. "Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." Good discussion gents. I enjoyed the passion. Thanks for the effort. “Hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know.”

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